The question is the squad good enough (1 Viewer)

dongonzalos · Apr 9, 2012

Goalkeepers 2 experienced - enough

Defenders 7 experienced 3 out for the season 4 experienced defenders
(not enough) 2 defenders should have been brought in

Midfield 6 experienced one injured leaves 5 (not enough if you have 4 in midfield)
an experienced midfielder needed to be brought in.

Strikers 3 experienced strikers we play 2 up front again we needed an experienced
striker to replace Juke or we should have kept Juke to stay up

This is with me been generous in terms of classing Norwood, Nimely, Clarke as experienced.

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idris65 · Apr 9, 2012

the answer...........no

stupot07 · Apr 9, 2012

I wouldn't have counted Clarke, Cameron, Norwood, Norwood as experienced. And may even include Cody and hussey in that.

skybluegod · Apr 9, 2012

btw i think ireland leaves at the end of season think extension was only for season

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 9, 2012

Murphy - Experienced decent at this level
Dunn - Inexperienced and don't know if he is good enough
Keogh - Fairly experienced and good
Cranie - Experienced and good enough
Hussey - Limited experience and has potential
Clarke - Limited experience and has potential
Christie - Inexperienced and not good enough currently
Cameron
Wood
Mcpake
All injured or not at the club

Bell - experienced but shit
Mcsheffrey - experienced but inconsistent
Baker - limited experience (at this level) and inconsistent / injured
Clingan - experienced and decent at this level
Gael
Thomas Both inexperienced and not ready to play consistently at this level
Norwood- Inexperienced but good player
Deegan - limited experience and decent enough

Mcdonald - Inexperienced (at this level)
Nimely - Inexperienced and has potential
Platt - Experience but limited/league 1 player

Pointless considering Wilson/Phillips/Burge etc.

dongonzalos · Apr 9, 2012

CCFC said:
Murphy - Experienced decent at this level
Dunn - Inexperienced and don't know if he is good enough
Keogh - Fairly experienced and good
Cranie - Experienced and good enough
Hussey - Limited experience and has potential
Clarke - Limited experience and has potential
Christie - Inexperienced and not good enough currently
Cameron
Wood
Mcpake
All injured or not at the club

Bell - experienced but shit
Mcsheffrey - experienced but inconsistent
Baker - limited experience (at this level) and inconsistent / injured
Clingan - experienced and decent at this level
Gael
Thomas Both inexperienced and not ready to play consistently at this level
Norwood- Inexperienced but good player
Deegan - limited experience and decent enough

Mcdonald - Inexperienced (at this level)
Nimely - Inexperienced and has potential
Platt - Experience but limited/league 1 player

Pointless considering Wilson/Phillips/Burge etc.

I know there are a multitude of reasons why we are in the bottom three. However when you see the above, I have to believe that AT is doing a good job.

Some reasons have to have more of impact than other reasons and be the dominating factor. Sure Thorn will make mistakes all managers do. However to keep a team up when faced with the above you have to have no injuries and a spot of lady luck.

There will be a lot of times with that squad when he wont have made any killer mistakes and the opposition will still win because they are simply better and/or more experienced than us.

oldskyblue58 · Apr 9, 2012

But the key results since Xmas are not about the squad being good enough..... it has been about a team set up to sit back and players not wanting it enough not caring enough.... Forest, Bristol, Leicester, Reading etc

Team is good enough to match most teams in division but lack any real consistency. We don't go for it with passion and drive, we don't actually set up on the front foot to go win games.

Frankly I think you have to include AT in that assessment because it is an all or nothing situation. His biggest weakness is not having the managerial experience in the first place - not his fault as such - but neither is inexperience a fault for Thomas Bigi etc.

Am tired of excuses for the players or manager - as a whole they have let us down because the passion and drive has not been there consistently or enough all season long.

@richh87 · Apr 9, 2012

oldskyblue58 said:
But the key results since Xmas are not about the squad being good enough..... it has been about a team set up to sit back and players not wanting it enough not caring enough.... Forest, Bristol, Leicester, Reading etc

Team is good enough to match most teams in division but lack any real consistency. We don't go for it with passion and drive, we don't actually set up on the front foot to go win games.

Frankly I think you have to include AT in that assessment because it is an all or nothing situation. His biggest weakness is not having the managerial experience in the first place - not his fault as such - but neither is inexperience a fault for Thomas Bigi etc.

Am tired of excuses for the players or manager - as a whole they have let us down because the passion and drive has not been there consistently or enough all season long.

Rubbish.

SISU apologist tripe.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Apr 9, 2012

Sorry OSB58, but can't even bring myself close to agreeing with you. The team is good enough to match most teams in the division? On what basis can you make such a suggestion!?!

Macca · Apr 9, 2012

@richh87 said:
Rubbish.

SISU apologist tripe.

Glad we @sorted that out @rich

Let it go boys it's over

@richh87 · Apr 9, 2012

Macca said:
Glad we @sorted that out @rich

Let it go boys it's over

The nightmare won't be over until SISU are gone @Macca

Macca · Apr 9, 2012

@richh87 said:
The nightmare won't be over until SISU are gone @Macca

I reckon relegation will push them out

dongonzalos · Apr 9, 2012

oldskyblue58 said:
But the key results since Xmas are not about the squad being good enough..... it has been about a team set up to sit back and players not wanting it enough not caring enough.... Forest, Bristol, Leicester, Reading etc

Team is good enough to match most teams in division but lack any real consistency. We don't go for it with passion and drive, we don't actually set up on the front foot to go win games.

Frankly I think you have to include AT in that assessment because it is an all or nothing situation. His biggest weakness is not having the managerial experience in the first place - not his fault as such - but neither is inexperience a fault for Thomas Bigi etc.

Am tired of excuses for the players or manager - as a whole they have let us down because the passion and drive has not been there consistently or enough all season long.

OB You changed my mind on a couple of things regarding SISU, but I cant agree with you on this one. I get you when you say the cuts have to be made. However like the conservatives they have happened too much too fast, which is likely to cost us and SISU 5 million. It has to be a fine balance not a swinging machete.

A team that contained 5 much better players last season and just escaped relegation, cannot have possibly suddenly improved into a team that can match anyone in the division.

It is not just about the simple maths 7 senior pros out 5 in but it is also about the quality

Westwood, King, Gunnar, Carsley, Turner, Juke, McIndoe

Nimley, Norwood, Murphy, Herman, McDonald

King verses Mcdonald (King)
Westwood verse Murphy (Westwood)
Juke verses Nimley (Juke)
Turner verse Herman (unfortunate one Turner due to injury) and only happened at xmas
Gunner verses Norwood '(One possible) but again only at xmas too late
Carsley verses no one (Carsley)
McIndoe verses no one (close)

How can you ignore this?

@richh87 · Apr 9, 2012

Macca said:
I reckon relegation will push them out

I really hope so mate. 17 years I've had a season ticket but SISU will not get another penny out of me.

oldskyblue58 · Apr 9, 2012

@richh87 said:
Rubbish.

SISU apologist tripe.

on your bike ......I have never since day one, unlike some, supported SISU or apologised for them

So we didnt match Cardiff, Birmingham, West Ham Macca. We are capable of it. We dont have a big squad no but clearly AT can do no wrong. I am just tired of all the excuses for the team and manager on this site, dont excuse SISU or the board never have.

I am entitled to my opinion without being insulted as a SISU supporter rich

oldskyblue58 · Apr 9, 2012

dongonzalos said:
OB You changed my mind on a couple of things regarding SISU, but I cant agree with you on this one. I get you when you say the cuts have to be made. However like the conservatives they have happened too much too fast, which is likely to cost us and SISU 5 million. It has to be a fine balance not a swinging machete.

A team that contained 5 much better players last season and just escaped relegation, cannot have possibly suddenly improved into a team that can match anyone in the division.

It is not just about the simple maths 7 senior pros out 5 in but it is also about the quality

Westwood, King, Gunnar, Carsley, Turner, Juke, McIndoe

Nimley, Norwood, Murphy, Herman, McDonald

King verses Mcdonald (King)
Westwood verse Murphy (Westwood)
Juke verses Nimley (Juke)
Turner verse Herman (unfortunate one Turner due to injury) and only happened at xmas
Gunner verses Norwood '(One possible) but again only at xmas too late
Carsley verses no one (Carsley)
McIndoe verses no one (close)

How can you ignore this?

I dont ignore it dongonzalos just tired of seeing a couple of players playing with passion Keogh for example and too many this season not or not giving enough. We have failed to compete too many times and that is not just down to quality but then we get the odd game where we match a top team. Once again we failed to compete today and shouldnt that be a requisite in a relegation battle? Bristol could make 6 changes says it all about the difference but I am still tired of the team not getting at the opposition. It would be great to have the players we lost - yes would make a difference but it isnt what we have - and somehow what we have do not seen to care enough as a group - thats not about quality or numbers thats what is in their head - Am fed up of paying to see that, just as much as i am fed up of having SISU owning the club

lordsummerisle · Apr 9, 2012

I blame Bristol City, everybody was saying they were shite, and no match for our squad on Saturday.

Seems like the squad is shit again, though a second away win against Burnley will no doubt make them good again.

Delusional mood swinger infestation again.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Apr 9, 2012

But OBS, the teams you cite - Cardiff, Birmingham, West Ham. They are infinitely better resources than us. We have no right to match them, unless we are over-achieving; at which time Thorn deserves all the plaudits that come his way.

If we merely turn in a performance consummate with the investment in our team, then - especially on days like today when the depth of our squad are cruelly exposed - people will look at the way we are funded.

Thorn makes mistakes - lets be clear about that; but we don't have the quality of player to cover his arse when he does so. Our peers do - hence the league position

lordsummerisle · Apr 9, 2012

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
But OBS, the teams you cite - Cardiff, Birmingham, West Ham. They are infinitely better resources than us. We have no right to match them, unless we are over-achieving; at which time Thorn deserves all the plaudits that come his way.

If we merely turn in a performance consummate with the investment in our team, then - especially on days like today when the depth of our squad are cruelly exposed - people will look at the way we are funded.

Thorn makes mistakes - lets be clear about that; but we don't have the quality of player to cover his arse when he does so. Our peers do - hence the league position

Indeed, if only we'd have been able to invest the resources and gamble on loads of loan players like Doncaster have.

We could be in a much stronger position.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Apr 9, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
Indeed, if only we'd have been able to invest the resources and gamble on loads of loan players like Doncaster have.

We could be in a much stronger position.

A factitious comparison. A better one might be Chris Wood - a normal loan - taken from West Brom in January and who scored with his first touch today

oldskyblue58 · Apr 9, 2012

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
But OBS, the teams you cite - Cardiff, Birmingham, West Ham. They are infinitely better resources than us. We have no right to match them, unless we are over-achieving; at which time Thorn deserves all the plaudits that come his way.

If we merely turn in a performance consummate with the investment in our team, then - especially on days like today when the depth of our squad are cruelly exposed - people will look at the way we are funded.

Thorn makes mistakes - lets be clear about that; but we don't have the quality of player to cover his arse when he does so. Our peers do - hence the league position

I agree they do have better resources, but by achieving more than we think shouldnt we grow from that not repeatedly shrink back. This is not a great Division - lot of very average teams but it often isnt the better teams that we dont compete against it is the likes of Bristol etc - yes they have more money but they are not performing and it isnt unresonable to think we could have picked up a point. Doncaster has in theory a better squad than ours we are 8 points clear of them ? Frankly our performance in recent seasons has had a lot to do with us expecting to lose not win - the club doesnt have a positive attitude. Am tired of the excuses, the swings between we won AT is a hero.... we lost its all SISU's fault.

Left with the conclusion that unless the club as a whole changes - would see SISU gone but not convinced by the GH bid - then I am wasting my money. I Just dont blame it all on SISU though - life isnt that simple. Cant not support CCFC though

lordsummerisle · Apr 9, 2012

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
A factitious comparison. A better one might be Chris Wood - a normal loan - taken from West Brom in January and who scored with his first touch today

Facetious?

You were comparing us negatively with Doncaster's policy in January( Which you supported).

If it is facetious now, it was facetious then.

Nonleagueherewecome · Apr 9, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
Facetious?

You were comparing us negatively with Doncaster's policy in January( Which you supported).

If it is facetious now, it was facetious then.

Give Thorn a couple of those Donnie loan players and I reckon we'd have stayed up! Saunders was a terrible appointment.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Apr 9, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
Facetious?

You were comparing us negatively with Doncaster's policy in January( Which you supported).

If it is facetious now, it was facetious then.

I stated at the time that Doncaster's policy was bringing them options from the loan market.

They've introduced Piquionne, Diouff and Chimbonda at a time when we've sat back and done nothing. I supported the fact that they're operating on a shoestring, but thinking laterally to try and improve their playing stock. That doesn't mean I support everything Doncaster are doing. Do I lament the fact we've done so little whilst others have tried harder? Yes.

However, you seemingly insinuate that money only has to be spent in this way - which of course it doesn't. Today we've seen a loan player we simply couldn't, or wouldn't afford come off the bench to turn a game. We've watched Andy Keogh join one of our contemporaries - Millwall - and score 6 in 13. As for Forest, well; hit the link:

http://www.eatsleepsport.com/nottin...hails-loan-signings-1407648.html#.T4M02vu0yVo

Meanwhile, we're trying to perm any two from our three half-fit strikers to start today's game. Hmmm...

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 9, 2012

oldskyblue58 said:
on your bike ......I have never since day one, unlike some, supported SISU or apologised for them

So we didnt match Cardiff, Birmingham, West Ham Macca. We are capable of it. We dont have a big squad no but clearly AT can do no wrong. I am just tired of all the excuses for the team and manager on this site, dont excuse SISU or the board never have.

I am entitled to my opinion without being insulted as a SISU supporter rich

Anyone can match anyone in this division on there day. We don't have a good enough, consistent enough or large enough squad to compete with these teams week in, week out.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 9, 2012

lordsummerisle said:
I blame Bristol City, everybody was saying they were shite, and no match for our squad on Saturday.

Seems like the squad is shit again, though a second away win against Burnley will no doubt make them good again.

Delusional mood swinger infestation again.

Thing is I still think Bristol are shit, the only one of our players who turned up today was Mcdonald.

CCFC Germany · Apr 9, 2012

The answer is :

The table simply says it all !

Real · Apr 9, 2012

In answer to the original question, the league table doesn't lie, so no the squad isn't good enough.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Apr 10, 2012

This is a useful exercise; take the original listing - which already excludes players we've loaned out - and take away those who have no real first team experience, or who are out injured, and I make the effective squad list like this:

GOALKEEPERS:
Joe Murphy
Chris Dunn

DEFENDERS:
Richard Keogh
Chris Hussey
Martin Cranie
Jordan Clarke
Cyrus Christie

MIDFIELDERS:
Sammy Clingan
Gary Mcsheffrey
Gary Deegan
Oliver Norwood
Conor Thomas
Gael Bigirimana

FORWARDS:
Cody Mcdonald
Alex Nimely
Clive Platt

I make that 14 outfield players, of which 6 are aged 20 or below......

stupot07 · Apr 10, 2012

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DazzleTommyDazzle · Apr 10, 2012

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
This is a useful exercise; take the original listing - which already excludes players we've loaned out - and take away those who have no real first team experience, or who are out injured, and I make the effective squad list like this:

GOALKEEPERS:
Joe Murphy
Chris Dunn

DEFENDERS:
Richard Keogh
Chris Hussey
Martin Cranie
Jordan Clarke
Cyrus Christie

MIDFIELDERS:
Sammy Clingan
Gary Mcsheffrey
Gary Deegan
Oliver Norwood
Conor Thomas
Gael Bigirimana

FORWARDS:
Cody Mcdonald
Alex Nimely
Clive Platt

I make that 14 outfield players, of which 6 are aged 20 or below......

That's the truth of the situation and that's why it was always against the odds that we were going to stay up.

Otis · Apr 10, 2012

Think again this is not quite the right question. 'Is the squad strong enough' is more relevant.

We do have good players here but the squad isn't big enough and therefore not strong enough. Don't think 'good enough' is the right question. It would be good enough if it was bigger.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Apr 10, 2012

There's an element of a number of issues, Otis. For example, both Clingan and McSheffrey - as 'senior pros' have both had times this season where they've been unable, or unwilling to play the part needed for the team effort. At such times, they should be dropped to regain form - but as you can see from the stark facts above, were Thorn to do so, there's literally nobody left. So, we have to hope and prey they'll have one of their 1-in-5 good weeks.

I remember the dire game at Forest. The week before, they played with Marlon Harewood and Ishmeal Miller up front. They changed it against us, bringing in Dexter Blackstock, brought Greening off the bench and suddenly - in a game when we were already struggling for form - we've lost and they're on a run. They've since brought in five loans - of the quality of George Elokobi from Wolves or Danny Higginbotham from Stoke City.

We are trying to compete with Millwall - who paid in excess of £1m for Darius Henderson, who's bagged - what, 18 goals this season - and even when that's not enough they draft in the quality of Andy Keogh, again for cash, who's netted 6 in 13. What would these players do to our squad?

Ditto Bristol at the weekend. They had a decent winger and striker on the bench - the latter of whom, Chris Wood, scored 10 in 28 whilst on loan at Birmingham last year. Compared to anything we have, that's prolific. And he's a bench player.

I look at the thin, thin nature of our squad, and the difference compared to our peers is nothing short of astonishing.

Sure, Thorn makes mistakes - as I keep on saying - but he hasn't got the luxury of quality to cover his arse when he does. Our competitors have. That's the difference

stupot07 · Apr 10, 2012

I think your right Otis - definitely not strong enough.

I would say that although we have some good players, they aren't players that deliver good performances (keogh and cranie aside) on a consistent basis, and haven't done for the majority of their Ccfc careers.

dongonzalos · Apr 10, 2012

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
This is a useful exercise; take the original listing - which already excludes players we've loaned out - and take away those who have no real first team experience, or who are out injured, and I make the effective squad list like this:

GOALKEEPERS:
Joe Murphy
Chris Dunn

DEFENDERS:
Richard Keogh
Chris Hussey
Martin Cranie
Jordan Clarke
Cyrus Christie

MIDFIELDERS:
Sammy Clingan
Gary Mcsheffrey
Gary Deegan
Oliver Norwood
Conor Thomas
Gael Bigirimana

FORWARDS:
Cody Mcdonald
Alex Nimely
Clive Platt

I make that 14 outfield players, of which 6 are aged 20 or below......

Now Add to this what we now know, Hussey was playing injured and ended up going off. Keogh was playing injured. Nimley was on the bench injured. Mcdonald got injured.

4 of those 14 injured

Sky Blue sam had a trunk strain.

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