The same old cliche (2 Viewers)

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

You need to score to win games

Same old cliche, same old problems for ccfc

We’ve lost since January Chaplin, Clarke Harris, Bayliss, Thomas and bright all capable of scoring, creating or both

We’ve played two weak teams and scored a goal. To gloss this over is nonsense.

The selling of Baylis and Chaplin I assume was required for FFP rules but it’d a real issue.

Thomas is proof games are not won on starts but on actual game time. We will miss massively his pace, endeavour and defensive work

Bakayoko is a disaster. Id love to know how he was identified as a potential signing. One in 7 goal ratio, known frailties and mentally weak

Hiwula is hit or miss and even in games he’s contributing it’s never for 45 minutes let alone 90

Biamou is at best a third choice number 9 at this level / hrs never ever going to be good enough

Last season goals were a problem - it’s going to be worse this season

People need to manage expectations - offer 14th place now I’d take it

Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
You need to score to win games

Same old cliche, same old problems for ccfc

We’ve lost since January Chaplin, Clarke Harris, Bayliss, Thomas and bright all capable of scoring, creating or both

We’ve played two weak teams and scored a goal. To gloss this over is nonsense.

The selling of Baylis and Chaplin I assume was required for FFP rules but it’d a real issue.

Thomas is proof games are not won on starts but on actual game time. We will miss massively his pace, endeavour and defensive work

Bakayoko is a disaster. Id love to know how he was identified as a potential signing. One in 7 goal ratio, known frailties and mentally weak

Hiwula is hit or miss and even in games he’s contributing it’s never for 45 minutes let alone 90

Biamou is at best a third choice number 9 at this level / hrs never ever going to be good enough

Last season goals were a problem - it’s going to be worse this season

People need to manage expectations - offer 14th place now I’d take it

Just to correct you, last season bakayoko had a goal every 232 minutes, and Chaplin every 260 minutes..

That's a goal every 2. Something games in actual game minutes..

He was poor today

Il say you are jumping the gun considering we got 1 point last season after playing a relegated side and Wimbledon, almost relagated... From the 1st 2 games

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Just to correct you, last season bakayoko had a goal every 232 minutes, and Chaplin every 260 minutes..

That's a goal every 2. Something games in actual game minutes..

He was poor today

Which proves my point about stats - it’s meaningless - the same stat would have Mick Hartford as a 240 goal a season striker for us - Charlton was a fluke and 1 in 6 is his career average

Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
Which proves my point about stats - it’s meaningless - the same stat would have Mick Hartford as a 240 goal a season striker for us - Charlton was a fluke and 1 in 6 is his career average

Can't do stats in that way though grendel can you because if he played 2 minutes a match it's still down as 0 goals in 1 if he doesn't score
Hence why sites like the BBC put minutes per goal underneath the game and goal tally

Sky Blue Pete · Aug 10, 2019

No question goals are looking an issue

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Can't do stats in that way though grendel can you because if he played 2 minutes a match it's still down as 0 goals in 1 if he doesn't score
Hence why sites like the BBC put minutes per goal underneath the game and goal tally

But his goal tally last year is an anomaly and he will score a higher ratio as when starting he will often be hauled off early as he’s once again played poorly

Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Why don't we have this conversation after 7 or 8 matches so we can actually be a bit more level headed about the squad And our performances eh... Way too soon yet

Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
But his goal tally last year is an anomaly and he will score a higher ratio as when starting he will often be hauled off early as he’s once again played poorly

His goal tally is his goal tally irrespective of how many he scored in the 1 game you keep referring too

clint van damme · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
You need to score to win games

Same old cliche, same old problems for ccfc

We’ve lost since January Chaplin, Clarke Harris, Bayliss, Thomas and bright all capable of scoring, creating or both

We’ve played two weak teams and scored a goal. To gloss this over is nonsense.

The selling of Baylis and Chaplin I assume was required for FFP rules but it’d a real issue.

Thomas is proof games are not won on starts but on actual game time. We will miss massively his pace, endeavour and defensive work

Bakayoko is a disaster. Id love to know how he was identified as a potential signing. One in 7 goal ratio, known frailties and mentally weak

Hiwula is hit or miss and even in games he’s contributing it’s never for 45 minutes let alone 90

Biamou is at best a third choice number 9 at this level / hrs never ever going to be good enough

Last season goals were a problem - it’s going to be worse this season

People need to manage expectations - offer 14th place now I’d take it

You're going on about goals to game ratio, what was Clark Harris's? Very poor I'd imagine and worse if you take out penalties.
Agree about Thomas but we don't know for sure we won't be getting another loanee in.
Chaplin is suddenly talked about as if he was the second coming of Robbie Keane.
Bayliss is obviously a big miss and will be difficult to replace. Only way to guarantee that sort of quality is to spend which isn't going to happen. A lot resting on Allens shoulders.

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Why don't we have this conversation after 7 or 8 matches so we can actually be a bit more level headed about the squad... And our performances eh... Way too soon yet

Oddly because some people have spreads said a fit Biamou will tear this league apart, Bakayoko will score 15 goals, Westbrook is better than Baylis, Chaplin was shite, hiwula is better than Thomas.

It’s all crap isn’t it

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
His goal tally is his goal tally irrespective of how many he scored in the 1 game you keep referring too

So was Mick Hartford - one goal every 15 minutes

Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
Oddly because some people have spreads said a fit Biamou will tear this league apart, Bakayoko will score 15 goals, Westbrook is better than Baylis, Chaplin was shite, hiwula is better than Thomas.

It’s all crap isn’t it

Like I said, let's actually give the squad time to get upto speed, fully match fit and our strongest 11 on the pitch before we start downplaying the season.

Posh have spent big this year, lost first 2 matches, Sunderland have 2 points, pompey 3, City 4.... Let's all calm down

Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
So was Mick Hartford - one goal every 15 minutes

I doubt his stats would say that, he'd be the most clinical striker in history

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 10, 2019

Heard most of MR's comments post match, but did anybody ask him how Allen (or Kastaneer) is re: progress?
Maybe in the Exeter game he may experiment with 2 up top? (or do we think that unlikely?)

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
I doubt his stats would say that

They do for us

stupot07 · Aug 10, 2019

Yeah lack of goals in the squad will cost us, it was an issue last season particularly before bright signed and it will be an issue this season too.

P.s. Bakayoko is not a goalscorer.

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Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
They do for us

Well we are basing it off 1 performance not over a season, no person in their right mind would use that as an argument.

Hullinho87 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
You need to score to win games

Same old cliche, same old problems for ccfc

We’ve lost since January Chaplin, Clarke Harris, Bayliss, Thomas and bright all capable of scoring, creating or both

We’ve played two weak teams and scored a goal. To gloss this over is nonsense.

The selling of Baylis and Chaplin I assume was required for FFP rules but it’d a real issue.

Thomas is proof games are not won on starts but on actual game time. We will miss massively his pace, endeavour and defensive work

Bakayoko is a disaster. Id love to know how he was identified as a potential signing. One in 7 goal ratio, known frailties and mentally weak

Hiwula is hit or miss and even in games he’s contributing it’s never for 45 minutes let alone 90

Biamou is at best a third choice number 9 at this level / hrs never ever going to be good enough

Last season goals were a problem - it’s going to be worse this season

People need to manage expectations - offer 14th place now I’d take it

You would take 14th as oppose to what?

kg82 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
Oddly because some people have spreads said a fit Biamou will tear this league apart, Bakayoko will score 15 goals, Westbrook is better than Baylis, Chaplin was shite, hiwula is better than Thomas.

It’s all crap isn’t it

I get most of those. But what’s Hiwulla got to do with Thomas? They played on opposite sides, at the same time. Hiwulla isn’t a replacement for Thomas.

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

stupot07 said:
Yeah lack of goals in the squad will cost us, it was an issue last season particularly before bright signed and it will be an issue this season too.

P.s. Bakayoko is not a goalscorer.

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Is it formation, the players available or both do you think?

I don’t think the formation assists natural goalscorers anyway and the new guy may struggle, hiwula is a very odd player and Biamou and Bakayoko are just never up to it

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

kg82 said:
I get most of those. But what’s Hiwulla got to do with Thomas? They played on opposite sides, at the same time. Hiwulla isn’t a replacement for Thomas.

Muccas mad boys said Hiwula is better as his assists and goals prove it.

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

Hullinho87 said:
You would take 14th as oppose to what?

I think the squad is a serious injury or two away from relegation potential

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
hiwula is a very odd player

Yeah, he gets goals, but tends to be pretty anonymous too.

fernandopartridge · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Just to correct you, last season bakayoko had a goal every 232 minutes, and Chaplin every 260 minutes..

That's a goal every 2. Something games in actual game minutes..

He was poor today

Il say you are jumping the gun considering we got 1 point last season after playing a relegated side and Wimbledon, almost relagated... From the 1st 2 games

Take the 2 bakayoko got at Charlton out to show his threat of a goal per game, it's not good

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Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

I think we would be better off playing 442

fernandopartridge said:
Take the 2 bakayoko got at Charlton out to show his threat of a goal per game, it's not good

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Take away ronaldos 500 goals and his stats are shit

Terrible argument

kg82 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
Muccas mad boys said Hiwula is better as his assists and goals prove it.

His end product is better. Thomas was better for the team. Bottom line, Thomas was/is a better player.

Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
I think we would be better off playing 442

Take away ronaldos 500 goals and his stats are shit

Terrible argument

Mick Hartford is a 240 goal a year striker then

fernandopartridge · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
I think we would be better off playing 442

Take away ronaldos 500 goals and his stats are shit

Terrible argument

Ok take the last game Ronaldo scored twice in and look at his stats

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Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
Mick Hartford is a 240 goal a year striker then

Grendel I know youre not this stupid.
However you spin this you are comparing a lad who played a whole season to a lad who scored in a sub appearance and never played again

Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Ok take the last game Ronaldo scored twice in and look at his stats

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So using this logic McNultys 28 goal season was bad because he got Alot of braces that season and infact had many games where he didn't score..
Terrible argument sorry

stupot07 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
Is it formation, the players available or both do you think?

I don’t think the formation assists natural goalscorers anyway and the new guy may struggle, hiwula is a very odd player and Biamou and Bakayoko are just never up to it

Bit a both I think. The formation doesnt suit our players (e.g. Hiwula certainly isn't a left winger), and I think Robin's is a bit negative, for a striker he seems more worried about conceding than he does about scoring goals. Last season in a 4231 he only really allowed us to attack with 4, not we're playing 433 we're only really attacking with 3, and looking for midfielders to score 20 yard yarders. Personally in league one and two, defenders are rubbish, I'd like to see 2 up top and put them under pressure, get some width and get balls in box. Too many times today we were too narrow trying to pass our way through the middle trying to score the perfect goal.

A few of our players arent good enough - bakayoko isn't, hiwula isn't as a left winger and as much as I like biamou, he is a foil not a goal scorer. And we

We really miss thomas and Bright, they made things happen. I cant believe some think we're a better side now than the one we ended the season with.

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Grendel · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Grendel I know youre not this stupid.
However you spin this you are comparing a lad who played a whole season to a lad who scored in a sub appearance and never played again

No you are including a freak sub appearance and ignoring his whole career in this league.

In this league Bakayoko is a one goal in 7 centre forward. That’s generous as well as he does get substituted a lot as he’s in effective

One season is irrelevant - we have 11 new players - his career is what it is - he will some seasons improve the average due to more penalties or an anomaly as at Charlton but his career is what it is. The expectation is he gets one goal every 7 games.

Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
No you are including a freak sub appearance and ignoring his whole career in this league.

In this league Bakayoko is a one goal in 7 centre forward. That’s generous as well as he does get substituted a lot as he’s in effective

One season is irrelevant - we have 11 new players - his career is what it is - he will some seasons improve the average due to more penalties or an anomaly as at Charlton but his career is what it is. The expectation is he gets one goal every 7 games.

Ok il give you his entire career so far if it makes you feel better

8147 minutes played total
27 goals

1 goal every 3.35 games

fernandopartridge · Aug 10, 2019

Evo1883 said:
So using this logic McNultys 28 goal season was bad because he got Alot of braces that season and infact had many games where he didn't score..
Terrible argument sorry

Sorry you're miles away, no point explaining

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Evo1883 · Aug 10, 2019

Grendel said:
Which proves my point about stats - it’s meaningless - the same stat would have Mick Hartford as a 240 goal a season striker for us - Charlton was a fluke and 1 in 6 is his career average

Just showed you his average, its 1 goal every 301 minutes of play

Mick harford for city was indeed a 1 in 15 minute striker.. But his career suggests that wide of reality

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