There will have to be a re-think (1 Viewer)

covboy1987 · Aug 2, 2020

Looking at the new covid spikes throughout the world It’s beginning to look extremely unlikely that any fans will be allowed at any matches the whole season – How are clubs going to survive paying astronomical wages against the average working person - clubs paying some players £3,000 to 5,000 a week in league 1- £20,000 to £30,000 a week for the top earners in the championship - With almost zero income excluding tv money how are these clubs going to continue - there going to have to be a re-think

Samo · Aug 2, 2020

The worry is that football will be seen as a luxury the nation cannot afford at a time like this.
Ah well, at least we don't have to pay for the upkeep on a stadium while football is in mothballs.

better days · Aug 2, 2020

It will depend on a vaccine
Russia say they expect to start their program in October
And China reckon they're starting to vaccinate their military
Can't trust either of those rogue nations though and it sounds like China is using it's military as guinea pigs
UK has two which could be ready before the end of the year and other nations not far behind
I don't think fans will be attending any time soon but it's too early to say that the whole of next season will be BCD

djr8369 · Aug 2, 2020

covboy1987 said:
Looking at the new covid spikes throughout the world It’s beginning to look extremely unlikely that any fans will be allowed at any matches the whole season – How are clubs going to survive paying astronomical wages against the average working person - clubs paying some players £3,000 to 5,000 a week in league 1- £20,000 to £30,000 a week for the top earners in the championship - With almost zero income excluding tv money how are these clubs going to continue - there going to have to be a re-think

Need to scrap Saturday broadcasting restrictions and allow fans to pay a small fee to watch online.

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Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 2, 2020

I imagine iFollow would be the key to plugging some of the whole. Or something like a ST giving access to home games on iFollow.

Don’t get me wrong, people will most likely go to pubs to watch games, assuming they’re still open.

Unlikely, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Amazon or Netflix potentially came in to broadcast games of the restrictions are lifted.

DionDublinsJockstrap · Aug 2, 2020

How about £5 per match home or away.

if you sign up for season then balance set against season ticket if and when crowds returned.

Esoterica · Aug 2, 2020

A good start would be to stop focusing mainly on new cases and 'spikes' and start looking at actual hospitalisation and mortality rates as well as the excess death rate. With the drug trials, the risks of those are already lower than 6 months ago. UK media is still driving a fear frenzy though - the media seem to have stopped talking about anything other than new cases/spikes and life not getting back to normal until we've all had a vaccine shot.
And we still seem to be listening to politicians and journalists and not the medical experts. We're half a year into this now, the experts already have a much better idea of the risks involved in various exposure conditions like proximity, indoor vs outdoor contagion, exposure time to contract etc and then incubation and contagious periods but that risk minimising information doesn't seem to get coherently discussed or shared, so the fear continues without true context.

chiefdave · Aug 2, 2020

Esoterica said:
A good start would be to stop focusing mainly on new cases and 'spikes' and start looking at actual hospitalisation and mortality rates as well as the excess death rate. With the drug trials, the risks of those are already lower than 6 months ago.

Agree with this. So hard to draw conclusions from a lot of the data being thrown around. Testing numbers are all over the place which makes it near impossible to use positive tests as much of an indicator of anything. There's also a distrust of those in charge so while they should be drawing on advise from the experts nobody is confident they are.

cc84cov · Aug 2, 2020

I would imagine clubs will be pushing for ifollow to be in the uk to get some money in

chiefdave · Aug 2, 2020

Samo said:
Ah well, at least we don't have to pay for the upkeep on a stadium while football is in mothballs.

Our shit situation could work to our advantage big time. No stadium to upkeep and we're building a championship squad with the knowledge of the ongoing situation and can budget accordingly.

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 2, 2020

A lot of fans will be happy to support the club financially (I know not all can) so the club need to be as creative as possible to maximise income. None of us want to see the club go belly up. Agree that ifollow (or similar) that club can benefit from will be a positive option. I'd happily stump up a ST equivalent for access to it, if it supports the club in the meantime.

Skyblueweeman · Aug 2, 2020

Not all clubs rely as much on gate receipts as much as you think. I know of one L1 club who said gate receipts/ST money accounts for just 15% on their total revenues.

That surprised me to be honest.

I'm sure the % is higher for other clubs though.

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Nonleagueherewecome · Aug 2, 2020

Can this be merged with the BCD thread? Already made all my points there!

CCFC54321 · Aug 2, 2020

better days said:
It will depend on a vaccine
Russia say they expect to start their program in October
And China reckon they're starting to vaccinate their military
Can't trust either of those rogue nations though and it sounds like China is using it's military as guinea pigs
UK has two which could be ready before the end of the year and other nations not far behind
I don't think fans will be attending any time soon but it's too early to say that the whole of next season will be BCD

If we all listen to the sensationalism by Sky news we may as well just roll up in a ball somewhere.

I spoke to a doctor last week and if there is a spike then it’ll be a regional thing and not the country like we’re seeing. It’s also increasing in certain areas as we all know why. The country won’t go into lockdown again. It’ll be a regional/city/town containment for the rest of this year simply containing it until the vaccine is ready early next year.

I imagine we will see football live with gradual increases to the end of this year until the vaccines ready.

So yes I think your right the vaccine is the game changer.

Samo · Aug 2, 2020

CCFC54321 said:
If we all listen to the sensationalism by Sky news we may as well just roll up in a ball somewhere.

I spoke to a doctor last week and if there is a spike then it’ll be a regional thing and not the country like we’re seeing. It’s also increasing in certain areas as we all know why. The country won’t go into lockdown again. It’ll be a regional/city/town containment for the rest of this year simply containing it until the vaccine is ready early next year.

I imagine we will see football live with gradual increases to the end of this year until the vaccines ready.

So yes I think your right the vaccine is the game changer.

Until all regions bar a few are in lockdown which is pretty much a national lockdown

CCFC54321 · Aug 2, 2020

Samo said:
Until all regions bar a few are in lockdown which is pretty much a national lockdown

I doubt that will the case. Cases will rise and then decline in areas like were seeing for the rest of this year. I’m sure it’s already on record somewhere that there won’t be a national lockdown again. I do stand corrected.

Paxman II · Aug 2, 2020

Nah fear factor driven by media and the likes plus such misinformation regarding the true nature of deaths directly from COVid. I won't get into an argument on here, but look beyond the nonsense of it all a bit more now, and apply some common sense. I don't dispute some people have lost lives and for that I'm truly devastated for them, but the scale is very important.

October was touted as trial period for crowds with a view that December we would see crowds returning with the traditional Xmas games in sight albeit with some restrictions in place, and for me I still think that will be the target to getting back to normality. We have to move forward. In a twisted sense for the sake of peoples health be it mental or those unable to be treated such as long term cancer patients denied their appointments and many, many more scenarios. Those are the excess deaths I worry about more. COVid will be sticking around for a while, but it has proven not to affect the majority of healthy people and is something like less than half of 1% of 65 million people affected (256K). You just wouldn't think it listening to the fearful nature of the media and government. Fear drives compliance and the sheep will follow I'm sad to say. Watching people wear face mask while alone in their car or outside in open spaces just makes me angry. So locking us all down and hiding our immune systems seems rather a heavy price to pay, for the overallhealth of society and not the mention the health of the countries economy and jobs.

Don't expect full stadia by December, maybe half full capacities, but we will be allowed back in larger numbers by March time with restrictions all but lifted and normality will return in full. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my hat.

CCFC54321 · Aug 2, 2020

Paxman II said:
Nah fear factor driven by media and the likes plus such misinformation regarding the true nature of deaths directly from COVid. I won't get into an argument on here, but look beyond the nonsense of it all a bit more now, and apply some common sense. I don't dispute some people have lost lives and for that I'm truly devastated for them, but the scale is very important.

October was touted as trial period for crowds with a view that December we would see crowds returning with the traditional Xmas games in sight albeit with some restrictions in place, and for me I still think that will be the target to getting back to normality. We have to move forward. In a twisted sense for the sake of peoples health be it mental or those unable to be treated such as long term cancer patients denied their appointments and many, many more scenarios. Those are the excess deaths I worry about more. COVid will be sticking around for a while, but it has proven not to affect the majority of healthy people and is something like a 98% rate of the population unaffected. You just wouldn't think it listening to the fearful nature of the media and government. Fear drives compliance and the sheep will follow I'm sad to say. Watching people wear face mask while alone in their car or outside in open spaces just makes me angry. So locking us all down and hiding our immune systems seems rather a heavy price to pay, for the overallhealth of society and not the mention the health of the countries economy and jobs.

Don't expect full stadia by December, maybe half full capacities, but we will be allowed back in larger numbers by March time with restrictions all but lifted and normality will return in full. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my hat.

Great post. I agree with everything on here. SKY News are not helping the economy getting back on its feet one bit.

Samo · Aug 2, 2020

Paxman II said:
Nah fear factor driven by media and the likes plus such misinformation regarding the true nature of deaths directly from COVid. I won't get into an argument on here, but look beyond the nonsense of it all a bit more now, and apply some common sense. I don't dispute some people have lost lives and for that I'm truly devastated for them, but the scale is very important.

October was touted as trial period for crowds with a view that December we would see crowds returning with the traditional Xmas games in sight albeit with some restrictions in place, and for me I still think that will be the target to getting back to normality. We have to move forward. In a twisted sense for the sake of peoples health be it mental or those unable to be treated such as long term cancer patients denied their appointments and many, many more scenarios. Those are the excess deaths I worry about more. COVid will be sticking around for a while, but it has proven not to affect the majority of healthy people and is something like less than half of 1% of 65 million people affected (256K). You just wouldn't think it listening to the fearful nature of the media and government. Fear drives compliance and the sheep will follow I'm sad to say. Watching people wear face mask while alone in their car or outside in open spaces just makes me angry. So locking us all down and hiding our immune systems seems rather a heavy price to pay, for the overallhealth of society and not the mention the health of the countries economy and jobs.

Don't expect full stadia by December, maybe half full capacities, but we will be allowed back in larger numbers by March time with restrictions all but lifted and normality will return in full. If I'm wrong, I'll eat my hat.

I agree with much of what you say but I think your anger towards the over cautious is a little unfair; people are genuinely frightened for themselves and for vulnerable loved ones.
By the way... could we see a picture of the hat in question?

Paxman II · Aug 2, 2020

Samo said:
I agree with much of what you say but I think your anger towards the over cautious is a little unfair; people are genuinely frightened for themselves and for vulnerable loved ones.
By the way... could we see a picture of the hat in question?

mark82 · Aug 2, 2020

Samo said:
I agree with much of what you say but I think your anger towards the over cautious is a little unfair; people are genuinely frightened for themselves and for vulnerable loved ones.
By the way... could we see a picture of the hat in question?

Yep, and they aren't doing any harm by wearing masks.

I don't see that we won't eventually be allowed back in stadiums. It may be that there are restrictions in place and things like masks mandated but we'll get there.

We're now well past the peak where we were seeing double the number of deaths expected for the time of year. We're back down to average but you've got to be careful not to go too far too fast still.

covcity4life · Aug 2, 2020

CCFC54321 said:
If we all listen to the sensationalism by Sky news we may as well just roll up in a ball somewhere.

I spoke to a doctor last week and if there is a spike then it’ll be a regional thing and not the country like we’re seeing. It’s also increasing in certain areas as we all know why. The country won’t go into lockdown again. It’ll be a regional/city/town containment for the rest of this year simply containing it until the vaccine is ready early next year.

I imagine we will see football live with gradual increases to the end of this year until the vaccines ready.

So yes I think your right the vaccine is the game changer.

We all know why?

Why is it increasing in certain areas?

better days · Aug 2, 2020

covcity4life said:
We all know why?

Why is it increasing in certain areas?

It seems the biggest factor by far is family get togethers where extended families congregate
Recent tracking shows the two most common ways that people have caught the virus is where an infected person has visited the sufferer's home or vice versa

covcity4life · Aug 2, 2020

better days said:
It seems the biggest factor by far is family get togethers where extended families congregate
Recent tracking shows the two most common ways that people have caught the virus is where an infected person has visited the sufferer's home or vice versa

Why certain areas?

Just curious

better days · Aug 2, 2020

covcity4life said:
Why certain areas?

Just curious

The majority of areas with local shut downs have concentrations of older terraced housing in multiple occupation

Samo · Aug 2, 2020

better days said:
The majority of areas with local shut downs have concentrations of older terraced housing in multiple occupation

Go on... just say it

duffer · Aug 2, 2020

As at the start of the epidemic, I think the most dangerous thing here is a casual attitude. If we'd have locked down earlier, there's a pretty solid body of evidence that a large number of lives could have been saved.

Similarly, it's not unreasonable to consider that if we unwind lock-down too quickly, we're going to put a lot more lives at risk.

There's a balance to be had, but conspiracy theories about the numbers who have died and the impact that the virus has had, are frankly daft and deserved to be challenged. It's not quite on a par with anti-vaxxers, but anyone trivialising this and ignoring the science isn't thinking straight.

At the moment, in terms of deaths alone we're heading towards what the total civilian casualties were for the UK in WWII. We are nowhere near herd immunity, we don't know if we can get a working vaccine, let alone deliver it in the numbers of doses required, and we don't know how long immunity lasts once exposed.

It's not scaremongering to point this out - those are cold, hard facts, and to ignore them is to bury your head in the sand and hope it will all go away. It won't - life is going to have to change for a while and we're going to have to get used to it.

All politics aside, what we really need, right now, is a rock solid trace and test process that can reliably nip outbreaks in the bud, and for everyone to buy into the idea that we're all responsible for each others health. At the moment, I'm not confident that either of those things are really in place.

duffer · Aug 2, 2020

better days said:
The majority of areas with local shut downs have concentrations of older terraced housing in multiple occupation

Name a city in England where that isn't the case?

better days · Aug 2, 2020

duffer said:
Name a city in England where that isn't the case?

Funnily enough in London for example older terraced houses are worth a fortune and definitely aren’t in multiple occupation

CCFC54321 · Aug 2, 2020

duffer said:
As at the start of the epidemic, I think the most dangerous thing here is a casual attitude. If we'd have locked down earlier, there's a pretty solid body of evidence that a large number of lives could have been saved.

Similarly, it's not unreasonable to consider that if we unwind lock-down too quickly, we're going to put a lot more lives at risk.

There's a balance to be had, but conspiracy theories about the numbers who have died and the impact that the virus has had, are frankly daft and deserved to be challenged. It's not quite on a par with anti-vaxxers, but anyone trivialising this and ignoring the science isn't thinking straight.

At the moment, in terms of deaths alone we're heading towards what the total civilian casualties were for the UK in WWII. We are nowhere near herd immunity, we don't know if we can get a working vaccine, let alone deliver it in the numbers of doses required, and we don't know how long immunity lasts once exposed.

It's not scaremongering to point this out - those are cold, hard facts, and to ignore them is to bury your head in the sand and hope it will all go away. It won't - life is going to have to change for a while and we're going to have to get used to it.

All politics aside, what we really need, right now, is a rock solid trace and test process that can reliably nip outbreaks in the bud, and for everyone to buy into the idea that we're all responsible for each others health. At the moment, I'm not confident that either of those things are really in place.

Excellent post however, an awful lot of my family and friends can’t be thinking right then!

It’s pretty certain they will be a vaccine judging by the test results to date. It’s also right to challenge the death rate if it’s been identified it’s possibly flawed.

The trace and track system though I agree appears weak. I mean this should be set up in major shopping centres etc. More visible etc.

Nick · Aug 3, 2020

They are going to need to get ifollow sorted for everybody and cut down on streams big time.

cov donkey kick · Aug 3, 2020

I emailed dave boddy on BCD and suggested a digital ticket with video, ifollowcontent season wide content and to be fair they emailed me back and told it was already being worked on for the fourth coming season.

shmmeee · Aug 3, 2020

cov donkey kick said:
I emailed dave boddy on BCD and suggested a digital ticket with video, ifollowcontent season wide content and to be fair they emailed me back and told it was already being worked on for the fourth coming season.

We can’t wait four years to sort this out!

mark82 · Aug 3, 2020

Samo said:
Go on... just say it

Population density?

wingy · Aug 3, 2020

shmmeee said:
We can’t wait four years to sort this out!

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