I agree and I have explained both in depth on numerous times. However I can only say why I think he will be a decent manager with the right support. Which he seems to getting now. SISU could not do damage to the team thorn was managing in his first ten games. He was successful then.Why he should be given a chance and why he is a good football manager are different though...
I agree and I have explained both in depth on numerous times. However I can only say why I think he will be a decent manager with the right support. Which he seems to getting now. SISU could not do damage to the team thorn was managing in his first ten games. He was successful then.
You have an interesting definition of success;
Lower points in first 10 games than Boothroyd
7 games out of the 10 not won
Worse record than Peter Reid
What's your definition of failure? Mine was last season,
What was the record if the plummeting team in the 17 games before he stepped in. Somestimes when you take something from a horrendous situation and put it in an acceptable situation that is a success it is all relative.
Like someone achieving success in their first 10 games. Then freefull without any changes to your team
so last season then...success or failure - overall?
Why does it have to me classified as either? Maybe the third option might be... served up a result proportionate with investment and resource. Therefore ambivalent conclusion?
That's right MMM there is a 3rd option - doing the best with what you have - but DID he? That's what I'm struggling with
There are managers out there that could have done better. Can we afford them? .... Nope.That's right MMM there is a 3rd option - doing the best with what you have - but DID he? That's what I'm struggling with
Well it's been widely discussed that our funding of the first team squad was within the lowest two on the league. And we were compelled to play, therefore, more untried under 20's than any other team in the league. Indeed by appearances 50% more than the next closest.
As such, I can't help but think that Thorn served up that which circumstances deserved. Sure, we were exceptionally poor away from home, don't defend corners well and struggled to find the net; which are all valid observations and talking points - but the core debate being that Thorn realised a result consummate with investment. No more, no less.
That's why I'm personally still unsure about the man
There are managers out there that could have done better. Can we afford them? .... Nope.
Only a few people made any sensible suggestions though - it's interesting that for all the Thorn out talk there is little in the way of constructive alternative offered
Correct.
This has been the case since AT was appointed.
Sisu employ who they like. AT isn't there for footballing reasons but to absorb the flack that should be directed at them.
To form such a judgement you must know an awful lot about the financial structure of the club.
You clearly know the wage thorn receives from the club and you must also know the compensation package of he is dismissed.
You also must know the wage demands of any potential manager that comes in.
You must also know the budget set aside for football related management staff and if this can be transferable for the playing budget. So if we sell wood say. An those wages be used for compensation to another club?
I assume you also k ow the wages Shaw and Carsley get and if this is less than received by Harrisom.
You need to know all this to arrive at your conclusion. Will you share it with us?
You know the same amount about what goes on at our club Duffy, but know everything is the fault of AT
Still impressed only 51% knee jerkers
Still impressed only 51% knee jerkers
I still can't believe 3 in 10 still think he might have a clue
Why is the term "knee-jerk" even being thrown about? The bloke's been in charge for over a year.
Why is the term "knee-jerk" even being thrown about? The bloke's been in charge for over a year.
Yes and when we were relegated the majority in a much bigger poll said AT was the right man to take us up.This poll was set up after a 4 - 1 defeat to Wrexham. So I was expecting a load of knee jerk reactions to that. However it is only 51% half of which (total) guess would have voted no anyway. The other 25 % probably had enough after that result. So to me they are the knee jerkers.
I know it's hilarious. I've been convinced he's an idiot since his appointment. His deeds have yet to prove me wrong.
Did you think it from day one?
Most of the polls have been extremely favourable to Thorn since he took the reins, so any change is significant. Or, by your own standards, ask yourself this question: would there have been the same polling numbers after a similar pre-season loss at this point last season?
Yes I did. I never wanted him appointed full time.
Sorry so after the first 8 games.
What was during that period that put you off?
Sorry so after the first 8 games.
What was during that period that put you off?
the squad had discipline and had been well drilled by Aidy Boothroyd. haven't seen that discipline present at all since last season started.
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