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hitmanhearns · Jul 30, 2012

Watching the nuneation game thorn says:

“I sat there with Richard Shaw and Lee Carsley and said we're not going through what we went through last year again, and at times it wasn't even as good as that.

So we are not going to be relegated this season that´s the aim??

meh

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Jul 30, 2012

I thought he was talking about the corresponding fixture a year earlier. If he was talking about the season as a whole, I'm sure he was referring to overall state of play and not final league position.

hitmanhearns · Jul 30, 2012

hopefully, but wasn´t the overall state of play (the "attractive" style of play) what kept him in the job?

Then the final league position would be what they don´t want this year again!?

stupot07 · Jul 30, 2012

I thought you were going going to tell us how much you love Bob Marley

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Jul 30, 2012

hitmanhearns said:
hopefully, but wasn´t the overall state of play (the "attractive" style of play) what kept him in the job?

Then the final league position would be what they don´t want this year again!?

I suspect it was SISU's lack of expenditure which kept him in a job, in all honesty. I meant 'being quite a shit football team' > 'style of play'.

hitmanhearns · Jul 30, 2012

You are right about SISU, that is prob the main reason he kept the job.

I´m sure they´re aiming for a top six. Cant help critizing myself in the way that had we won all preseason games i´m sure i would have been more pro thorn...and yet these games are not supposed to mean anything..
meh

oldskyblue58 · Jul 30, 2012

Dont think it is the fact we lost hitman it is the manner in which we lost ...... whatever anyone says AT is a vital cog on any match day, is part of the team, for good or bad..... he can get it wrong just as much as the players and i think he contributed to the performance Saturday. Everyone can have a bad day at the office .... we just have to hope not too often and that everyone including AT learns from those bad days..... perhaps take responsibility for their actions and become stronger.

blueflint · Jul 30, 2012

osb i have agreed with you in the past but find it strange that the manner we lost bothers you the fact we lost bothers me and i cant see yeovil being different hope im wrong tho

oldskyblue58 · Jul 30, 2012

I dont like losing blueflint but it happens, upsets happen, teams lose to lower division teams but if they lose having given it a good go, having played a decent game, having been a team then i find it more acceptable. Friendlies throw up strange results but if the players are not "at it" then that points to future struggles so thats why the performance bothers me more.

I dont think Yeovil away will be a pushover i agree and it wouldnt surprise me if we lost

That said there is a definite losing mentality at the club that needs to be cured ...... we should set out to win every game even if it is 5 a side!

skyblueman · Jul 30, 2012

I don't mind losing if we try our very best game in game out - I don't mind if players don't live up to expectations as long as they try their very best for every second they are on the pitch- I don't mind as long as everyone involved plays as if their life depended on it - what I DO mind is lacklustre performances from supposedly good players on good money (our money) who look like they don't give a shit either way - absolutely fed up with those kind of performances - that's what's cost this club so dear

@richh87 · Jul 30, 2012

oldskyblue58 said:
I dont like losing blueflint but it happens, upsets happen, teams lose to lower division teams but if they lose having given it a good go, having played a decent game, having been a team then i find it more acceptable. Friendlies throw up strange results but if the players are not "at it" then that points to future struggles so thats why the performance bothers me more.

I dont think Yeovil away will be a pushover i agree and it wouldnt surprise me if we lost

That said there is a definite losing mentality at the club that needs to be cured ...... we should set out to win every game even if it is 5 a side!

So Thorn isn't allowed to put a crap team out simply to give them fitness?

When will people learn - these games mean nothing. If our first team had lost to Nuneaton then yes, we'd have issues.

oldskyblue58 · Jul 30, 2012

Actually rich87 he can do what he likes he is the manager that isnt an issue and i do not have a problem with that - its his job on the line not mine............ but then on the other hand i am entitled to my opinion and to express it if i choose to. Football is all about opinions and in my opinion AT contributed to a poor display on Saturday. If however it was all down to the players then that brings other issues doesnt it.

But there is at least one issue in the second string not performing - not bothered unduly by the loss - it says there is still a long way to go to get the all important depth in the squad. I can think of other issues

As for importance I assume that you would agree that AT placed some importance on the match more than just fitness after reading his article today. If it was not more than fitness there would be little point to some of his comments. After a month of training there should be more than fitness training to it. I dont think he was wrong to say those things to the players, just dont think he should repeated them in the way he did to the press btw

Strangely the thing that bothers me is exactly the same as bothered AT ......... the level of performance wasnt good enough even if it was the "2nd" team

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Jul 30, 2012

Your opinion was formed despite not having attended the game, was it not? In fact, it was more than likely formed last season. It may be right and it may be wrong; I suspect there are elements of both in what you say. I'm holding fire on my opinion of how this season will turn out and how our new players will perform until I have watched us play a game. I will still come to you directly for my opinions on all things financial, if I may.

oldskyblue58 · Jul 30, 2012

Nope didnt go to this one ............ but what rich87 was quoting me on had very little to do with saturday if you read it. But then AT was there and i am actually agreeing with what he was quoted as saying in the press. 20 days before the season starts it is more than just fitness.

I would disagree with you as to the basis of what i expressed ..... it wasnt formed last season its more to do with the limited knowledge i have as a qualified coach

DiveDiveWhereverYouMayBe · Jul 30, 2012

I was talking about your opinion that AT contributed to a poor performance on Saturday. Well, yes, he is the manager. Of course he had an influence. But, if you can't pin down his tactical deficiencies as a non-attendee, I was left puzzled as to what you based this particular aspect of your opinion on. But you are right, I didn't study the previous line, I saw something you said in the line above and queried it.

oldskyblue58 · Jul 30, 2012

I only include him because I see the manager (any manager) as part of the "team" (any team) on the day .... to me they all share in good and bad. People seem to separate the two and it just isnt what is.

I wasnt trying to tie it down to Saturday or AT really ......... was trying to apply more general principles.

One of the things you find out on FA courses is that the first thing you question is yourself, especially if the group as a whole doesnt react in the way expected. Even AT said the whole team was poor, and his input will have contributed. If he didnt know very early, even before kick off, that it wasnt right he should have imo. But we all see things differently i guess.

Am not seeking to write AT or the team off but there are things that bother me at the moment about both.

Jack Griffin · Jul 30, 2012

Given we've just lost a couple of pre-season friendlies I think AT should have put a stronger team out at Boro', enough to win and raise confidence levels.
He did the opposite & the effect will be the opposite. I think he made a mistake, the first team squad have not played enough to be tired.

cloughie · Jul 31, 2012

Saturday rang alarm bells to me, even though it was a 2nd string team. It wasn't losing, it was the way they played or rather didn't play that worried me

Those players were either playing for contracts or should have been pushing for a 1st team opportunity.

either ATs fault or players just not good enough or both, hard to tell at this stage of the pre season

Astute · Jul 31, 2012

I would go as far as say we were missing a leader. Nobody that played against Nuneaton should be made captain whatever the circumstances.

I am not too worried. As long as we don't have to play many of those players at the same time until they have a few games under their belts. How many would get into anyones 1st choice team ATM? If it was our 1st team I would be expecting a relegation battle.

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 31, 2012

oldskyblue58 said:
Nope didnt go to this one ............ but what rich87 was quoting me on had very little to do with saturday if you read it. But then AT was there and i am actually agreeing with what he was quoted as saying in the press. 20 days before the season starts it is more than just fitness.

I would disagree with you as to the basis of what i expressed ..... it wasnt formed last season its more to do with the limited knowledge i have as a qualified coach

You're a qualified coach, as well as the only man who can make any sense of SISU's financial dealings at CCFC?!?

Right, that's it..Thorn Out, OSB for City manager!

Nonleagueherewecome · Jul 31, 2012

Jack Griffin said:
Given we've just lost a couple of pre-season friendlies I think AT should have put a stronger team out at Boro', enough to win and raise confidence levels.
He did the opposite & the effect will be the opposite. I think he made a mistake, the first team squad have not played enough to be tired.

No matter what you think, there should have been enough out there to win, regardless. Our fringe players need to be at least BSP quality. There were plenty of players on show on Saturday who will play for the first team playing, and on that evidence we can't rely on any of them. That's what concerns me, and the air of complacency and lack of desire also does. I agree with AT's comments, but agree with OSB, AT has to take some responsibility for it too: he's the manager, FFS..

@richh87 · Jul 31, 2012

I heard that the under 12's lost to Kettering the other day.

Obviously none of them will play against Yeovil; but I'm f*cking livid.

skybluedaze · Jul 31, 2012

stupot07 said:
I thought you were going going to tell us how much you love Bob Marley

I like Bob Marley!

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