Throw down the gauntlet - make an offer (1 Viewer)

Voice_of_Reason · Oct 24, 2013

Estimated cost of a new 12,000 seater stadium - £25,000,000 - potential losses through playing at Sixfields - £10,000,000 plus. Total £35,000,000.

Let's throw down the gauntlet to SISU and tell them to offer £30,000,000 for the Ricoh and benefit from financially in the future considerably more than a new stadium would generate.

italiahorse · Oct 24, 2013

It's a start.

I expect SISU to move for the Ricoh once plan A (JR) is out the way.

Prediction : Back at the Ricoh in January 'cap in hand'

ajsccfc · Oct 24, 2013

Do we know when all this JR stuff is likely to be a thing of the past?

italiahorse · Oct 24, 2013

November 28th I believe

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/37516-Judicial-Review-28th-November?highlight=judicial+review

ajsccfc · Oct 24, 2013

Cheers. Fingers crossed for some kind of progress in December then, all this politicking sucks the life out of me.

blueflint · Oct 24, 2013

can't see SISU going anywhere cap in hand joy to proud cant see them offering 30 mill either they are too tight with money for that

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2013

ajsccfc said:
Do we know when all this JR stuff is likely to be a thing of the past?

can the appeal the appeal, assuming they loose again. which seems likely given the strength of the judges summing up the 1st time.

oldskyblue58 · Oct 24, 2013

I know someone has to make the first move but if I were CCC/ACL and wanted to sell (and we do not know they do) I wouldnt (a) be making the first move and (b) would be demanding something more than the value I would expect to get to allow for negotiation. It is also a thought that the only deal that might be available from CCC or ACL is a rent one so talk of value and price might be a little wide of the mark

From what ACL and Council said then the Ricoh is viable without football. CCFC on the other hand require income sooner rather than later or need to rely on growing unsustainable debt. Step back from looking at it from a fans need to get the club back and what would you do. Both ACL and CCC have seemed to say they are happy to be approached by interested parties including SISU they didnt say they would go chasing a deal. The club on the other hand seems to be sliding deeper in to debt every day.

There is a deal to be done certainly but it might not be the one everyone seems focussed on and the one that SISU seem to need. It might be rent with access to some income is all that is really on offer. :thinking about:

The biggest disappointment is that this cant be solved when the team is playing so well and could only benefit from the extra income the Ricoh could bring even if it was only increased ticket sales!

skybluesam66 · Oct 24, 2013

if sisu went back to the ricoh for christmas i imagine there would be

£200k in kit revenue (one off)
£150k per game ticket revenue
£20k per game additional corporate and advertising

And for Joy sepalla to announce this in public to Coventry city supporters - could start to rebuild something

Staying in Northampton with your fingers in your ears chanting "im not listening" is just totally ludicrous

Tim/Joy or whoever from the club reads these boards- come on - its never too late

dongonzalos · Oct 24, 2013

oldskyblue58 said:
I know someone has to make the first move but if I were CCC/ACL and wanted to sell (and we do not know they do) I wouldnt (a) be making the first move and (b) would be demanding something more than the value I would expect to get to allow for negotiation. It is also a thought that the only deal that might be available from CCC or ACL is a rent one so talk of value and price might be a little wide of the mark

From what ACL and Council said then the Ricoh is viable without football. CCFC on the other hand require income sooner rather than later or need to rely on growing unsustainable debt. Step back from looking at it from a fans need to get the club back and what would you do. Both ACL and CCC have seemed to say they are happy to be approached by interested parties including SISU they didnt say they would go chasing a deal. The club on the other hand seems to be sliding deeper in to debt every day.

There is a deal to be done certainly but it might not be the one everyone seems focussed on and the one that SISU seem to need. It might be rent with access to some income is all that is really on offer. :thinking about:

The biggest disappointment is that this cant be solved when the team is playing so well and could only benefit from the extra income the Ricoh could bring even if it was only increased ticket sales!

For me it is the only realistic solution that suits both sides.

SISU can't build a long term viable new stadium.

The council will never get the votes to sell the Ricoh to SISU

A rent deal is the only way forward. The way SISU negotiate the only way it will happen is if they make the approach.

If you approach SISU they always ask for more.

duffer · Oct 24, 2013

oldskyblue58 said:
I know someone has to make the first move but if I were CCC/ACL and wanted to sell (and we do not know they do) I wouldnt (a) be making the first move and (b) would be demanding something more than the value I would expect to get to allow for negotiation. It is also a thought that the only deal that might be available from CCC or ACL is a rent one so talk of value and price might be a little wide of the mark

From what ACL and Council said then the Ricoh is viable without football. CCFC on the other hand require income sooner rather than later or need to rely on growing unsustainable debt. Step back from looking at it from a fans need to get the club back and what would you do. Both ACL and CCC have seemed to say they are happy to be approached by interested parties including SISU they didnt say they would go chasing a deal. The club on the other hand seems to be sliding deeper in to debt every day.

There is a deal to be done certainly but it might not be the one everyone seems focussed on and the one that SISU seem to need. It might be rent with access to some income is all that is really on offer. :thinking about:

The biggest disappointment is that this cant be solved when the team is playing so well and could only benefit from the extra income the Ricoh could bring even if it was only increased ticket sales!

Spot on. It's why I don't quite understand the point of lobbying the council at the moment. I can't see how SISU won't move away from their position of non-negotiation if the JR goes against them, and they find themselves having to find £25m for a smaller, poorer stadium.

It seems that the door is open for talks, but it's SISU who need to start making the serious offers if they're looking to come back. Pushing out a £7m value through the papers isn't going to do it, imho.

shmmeee · Oct 24, 2013

Pressure now needs to be put on the club for a rental deal, even if only short term at first.

Maybe some of those who go to Sixfields could take up the gauntlet and ask Fisher about it?

The Reverend Skyblue · Oct 24, 2013

It was a genuine question as the fans who go to sixfields are the only ones who ever see Fisher. Just go up to him and ask a straight forward question, that's all shmee was saying

Matty_CCFC · Oct 24, 2013

shmmeee said:
Pressure now needs to be put on the club for a rental deal, even if only short term at first.

Maybe some of those who go to Sixfields could take up the gauntlet and ask Fisher about it?

Great idea.
We know that the vast majority of those who do go to Sixfields do not want to be there, but have made the decision to go.
If these people put a little pressure on Tim Fisher it would go a long way to showing joint support.

Well said.

Matty_CCFC · Oct 24, 2013

I think its a good suggestion.

covboy1987 · Oct 24, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
Estimated cost of a new 12,000 seater stadium - £25,000,000 - potential losses through playing at Sixfields - £10,000,000 plus. Total £35,000,000.

Let's throw down the gauntlet to SISU and tell them to offer £30,000,000 for the Ricoh and benefit from financially in the future considerably more than a new stadium would generate.

why would SISU want to offer £25- £30 Million when they could have purchased half the stadium from between £4 million or £10 million ages ago off the Higgs charity depending which reports are accurate

James Smith · Oct 24, 2013

covboy1987 said:
why would SISU want to offer £25- £30 Million when they could have purchased half the stadium from between £4 million or £10 million ages ago off the Higgs charity depending which reports are accurate

They could only have bought half of ACL from the Higgs not the stadium, that's why there is a price difference.

ecky · Oct 24, 2013

shmmeee said:
Pressure now needs to be put on the club for a rental deal, even if only short term at first.

Maybe some of those who go to Sixfields could take up the gauntlet and ask Fisher about it?

Wheres Grendel he could be our spokesman?
Thought seppala wasn't interested in football? It's the land she's after, if in some fantasy world sisu by the Ricoh then it should be written in she can't knock the place down and sell the land off for redevelopment

davebart · Oct 24, 2013

I don't believe SISU have any money. What they have is an ability to shift debt around. They bought the club for nothing with a promise to pay GR back at some unspecified point in the future. They have loaded LTD with debt. They promised the FL a £1m bond without actually parting with hard cash.

I wonder if Northampton have actually received a penny in rent yet.

thaiskyblue · Oct 24, 2013

davebart said:
I don't believe SISU have any money. What they have is an ability to shift debt around. They bought the club for nothing with a promise to pay GR back at some unspecified point in the future. They have loaded LTD with debt. They promised the FL a £1m bond without actually parting with hard cash.

I wonder if Northampton have actually received a penny in rent yet.

Agree with most of what you say, but Cardoza said they have paid for sickfields.

skybluetony176 · Oct 24, 2013

ecky said:
Wheres Grendel he could be our spokesman?

Grendel follows NOPM, he said so the other week.

covboy1987 · Oct 24, 2013

James Smith said:
They could only have bought half of ACL from the Higgs not the stadium, that's why there is a price difference.

yes but always bugged me but if they had bought it several years ago when it was offered they would have had half the monies from rent from the hotel, casino, and the concerts, rugby under 21 list is endless

Paxman II · Oct 24, 2013

No that's quite wrong!

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thaiskyblue · Oct 24, 2013

Paxman II said:
No that's quite wrong!

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what's correct then ?

Jack Griffin · Oct 24, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
Estimated cost of a new 12,000 seater stadium - £25,000,000 - potential losses through playing at Sixfields - £10,000,000 plus. Total £35,000,000.

Let's throw down the gauntlet to SISU and tell them to offer £30,000,000 for the Ricoh and benefit from financially in the future considerably more than a new stadium would generate.

I think their latest High Court move makes any such common sense approach unlikely, ever!

ohitsaidwalker king power · Oct 24, 2013

This weeks events....
ACL say.. "Lets talk?"
CCC say "Lets talk?"
CCFC/OTIUM(regretably they are the same)... "Lets go to court... !"

home for christmas..... which christmas?

Its a bloody disgrace......:blue:

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