Throw in tactics - or lack of (1 Viewer)

Mcbean · Apr 25, 2018

WTF is going on - getting a throw in at the mo is like giving the ball directly to the opposition , its not rocket science - we waste time bringing the delegated player to take one and then it takes 10 seconds or so to give it straight back to the other team - The most common move when finally a " free " player arrives is to bat the ball back to the thrower within 6 foot seems but this results in nearly 100% possession loss .

Yet other teams use it for a player to run on to and make a pass or attack - i also see players letting the ball go out - its just such a waste of time if we had recorded all the wasted time last night it would have been 5 minutes or so - i have not mentioned an individual player here as i think its a general problem - if we are incensed with Doyle's quick free kicks i think we would gain a distinct advantage by throwing immediately and getting the ball back in play to get more game time ultimately that we ran out of last night - rant over

Nick · Apr 25, 2018

It has been like it all season, we may as well just take a foul throw and be done with it.

Same with corners, stick them out for a goal kick and get back into position. Save the defenders energy from coming up to do absolutely nothing.

Otis · Apr 25, 2018

We might as well call our throw in tactic 'Throw the towel in tactic.'

Sbarcher · Apr 25, 2018

It’s just a good job we practice them in training. Think how bad they would be if we had no idea what to do.

hill83 · Apr 25, 2018

Player movement on throw ins other than the hide option

oucho · Apr 25, 2018

The OP is spot on here. It was painfully evident last night, but as Nick says this has been a recurring them this season. It was like watching a bunch fo schoolboys who have never practised together trying to figure out who to throw the ball to.....even worse, nobody seemed to want it at times. Why haven't we got pre-planned throw-in routines?

It's bad enough being a club which almost never (apart from the odd wonder strike by Joe Cole or Maddison, and this sesaon Shipley v Luton) score from direct free kicks or from corners, if we become routinely crap at throw-ins too then we really are fucked........

Mild-Mannered Janitor · Apr 25, 2018

Its the biggest annoyance for me as this is something that should be just part of scheduled training and something we can perfect.
The other part to this is we don't press on opposition ones and they have an easy get out or attacking option.
Its basics and so when Robins talks about getting those things right then he needs to put it into a regular training routine. Maybe the fact we don't press in training gives us the false impression that we always have a man available to receive the ball and move it on so we are by our own shiteness, kidding ourselves that we can get the ball in easily.

eastwoodsdustman · Apr 25, 2018

Half the issue is that they can’t thro it more than about 20 feet so teams can just block us in. Need to get the weeds on some weights to beef up.

rob9872 · Apr 25, 2018

Not only dreadful throw ins, but painfully slow, only letting full backs take them, throwing backwards to be lumped or throwing them to receive back. The recipient barely controls it and gives it back to the thrower at a height it must be controlled first rather than passed first time which gives the opposition time to get a foot in and that's when the thrower has actually managed to get it to feet in the first place or you simply lose any advantage. Long throw don the line or a quick one inside to a man in space, nothing over elaborate and should be second nature to kids or a Sunday morning side let alone players who are paid and train together for an understanding every day. Of course it doesn't help when half the time we're standing around like statues either, but even when we're not there never appears any urgency.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Apr 25, 2018

We need to write to the F.A and tell them that all throw ins should be given to the opposition. It would speed up the game and stop this sorry embarrassment of the likes of Grimmer throwing the ball straight to one of the opposition players. # Nomorethrowins

vow · Apr 25, 2018

I've never liked a "dedicated" thow-in taker a-la Grimmer and Haynes as it slows the game down too much (perhaps in the latter stages of a match though!)
Anyone nearest the ball should take it, throw it 20-30 yards backwards if necessary, quick throw, but keeping possession is the main issue and should be paramount over yardage gain.

However, this needs coaching, so all players are clued up to get into space quickly to receive the ball, but there lies a problem, as a lot of our players don't seem to want the ball due to lack of confidence, lack of ability, etc. unfortunately.

skyblueeyesrevisited · Apr 25, 2018

I have raised our ineptitude at throw ins before. We either throw it to a player who is to close which shuts down the throwers space to receive it back or hurl it up the line to someone with a marker in front and behind him. Our possession off throw ins is probably 25% at best. If you watch the masters Barcelona the nearest player rushes to pick up the ball and then throws it into space to the side of the player. Complete contrast to our pitiful attempts. Someone should ask MR what on earth the practice during training. It’s probably goal celebrations, silly handshakes, seeing who can hit the crossbar and taking free kicks against manikins.

lifeskyblue · Apr 25, 2018

We have had previous threads on our lack of decent throw ins but last night plunged new depths. Haynes was so slow taking them he wasted far more time than their keeper did with goal kicks. On top of that we rarely find our man; either just throw it down the line and hope our player being marked front and back manages to get a head to it. Can’t remember is winning one of those last night. Or throw it back and limp it forward; rarely found a CCFC player. Or short throw for thrower to receive back; mainly we lost the ball immediately or it was knocked back 5yds at head height or so wayward the ball goes out of play.
I expect the odd bad throw...we are division 4 after all but this has gone on the whole season and clearly no work is being done to rectify the slowness, poor technique or lack of ideas. The coaching staff need to get a grip as we surrender possession on most throw ins.

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lifeskyblue · Apr 25, 2018

skyblueeyesrevisited said:
I have raised our ineptitude at throw ins before. We either throw it to a player who is to close which shuts down the throwers space to receive it back or hurl it up the line to someone with a marker in front and behind him. Our possession off throw ins is probably 25% at best. If you watch the masters Barcelona the nearest player rushes to pick up the ball and then throws it into space to the side of the player. Complete contrast to our pitiful attempts. Someone should ask MR what on earth the practice during training. It’s probably goal celebrations, silly handshakes, seeing who can hit the crossbar and taking free kicks against manikins.

Apologies...was writing much the same as you posted.

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ccfcway · Apr 25, 2018

skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Someone should ask MR what on earth the practice during training. seeing who can hit the crossbar and taking free kicks against manikins.

Mathieu Manikins ?

wingy · Apr 25, 2018

I can only assume it's something never considered at Ryton for it was ever thus.
Yet I wonder how many coaches do make it a focus, be nice If there were some stats to anylise.

skyblueeyesrevisited · Apr 25, 2018

Excusez moi

vow · Apr 25, 2018

lifeskyblue said:
Apologies...was writing much the same as you posted.

Hmmmpf, what am I? chop liver?!

skyblueeyesrevisited · Apr 25, 2018

Maybe we should offer to take training this week. Our dumb ass coaches might learn something.

ccfcricoh · Apr 25, 2018

I'll put throw ins in the same pot as corners and free kicks and all set pieces...

We are truly terrible at all of them, both defending and attacking, and in theory its the only part of the game you can fully train for.

I like Robins but how he isn't picking up on this and sorting it out is shocking.

Once Shipley had taken his 5th crap corner last night why the hell is he taking the next one as well!? Very frustrating...

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Apr 25, 2018

ccfcricoh said:
I'll put throw ins in the same pot as corners and free kicks and all set pieces...

We are truly terrible at all of them, both defending and attacking, and in theory its the only part of the game you can fully train for.

I like Robins but how he isn't picking up on this and sorting it out is shocking.

Once Shipley had taken his 5th crap corner last night why the hell is he taking the next one as well!? Very frustrating...

....and then there's Kelly . He follows Shipley like a pet poodle to the corner flag. Now that's working well.

jordan210 · Apr 25, 2018

Its really impressive that they fanny around for a while before the throw in.

Then someone throws it in and the receiver just over hits it back towards the taker.

If thats what the practise then they have a 100% success rate.

ccfcricoh · Apr 25, 2018

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
....and then there's Kelly . He follows Shipley like a pet poodle to the corner flag. Now that's working well.

It got the stage yesterday when Lincoln weren't even bothering to bring an extra man out of the box to mark him so there really was no point in him standing there.

Gazolba · Apr 25, 2018

Robins has his priorities correct. First they have to learn to kick the ball. After they've got that down, he'll move on to the advanced topic of throwing the ball.
Some of the players are still learning how to tie their shoelaces.

Johnnythespider · Apr 25, 2018

When you're a goal up waiting for a designated player is fine, but when you're chasing the game the nearest player should get the fuck on with it. We only seem to know one way to play and that is as if we are already winning the game, this may have something to do with us struggling to turn games round when we go a goal behind.

skyblueeyesrevisited · Apr 25, 2018

While we’re talking about giving away possession, what about our standard kick offs. Roll the ball back to Doyle who hits it out to the wing by the 22 yard line. We lose the header and the opposition have the ball. Yet tHe only time we didn’t do it McNulty ran straight through the middle creating the opening for Shipley’s goal.

ceetee · Apr 25, 2018

I've said before on this Forum that we must be the only team for whom a throw-in is not an advantage.

It has got worse since I first said it.

I don't want to add to the vilifcation of Haynes , but when it comes to corners the lad doesn't seem to know how to read the game

Old Warwickshire lad · Apr 25, 2018

What’s worse is not only can we not find a man to throw to, when the opposition have a throw we let them a free throw to someone before we make a move.

SAJ · Apr 25, 2018

We've been shit at throw ins for years now. Not much better at corners. Last time we were good in that department was when Reda was with us. That season Stokes was allowed forward and scored I think 3 from corners. You only have to look at our return from defenders scoring to realise corners free kicks and throw ins are not somethng that is practiced. Same when defending them we concede far too many.

chiefdave · Apr 26, 2018

It amazes me how bad we have been at kick offs, throws, corners and free kicks for years. You'd expect the players to be practicing that sort of thing and know exactly what to do.

Mcbean · Apr 26, 2018

So after 30 replies all of us armchair managers are in agreement - ROBINS SORT THE BASICS OUT and the rest will flow through !

skyblueeyesrevisited · Apr 26, 2018

Mcbean said:
So after 30 replies all of us armchair managers are in agreement - ROBINS SORT THE BASICS OUT and the rest will flow through !

Agreed. God if only Brexit was this easy.

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