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Astute · Sep 11, 2014

skybluelee said:
Many on the three ticket price threads that are doing the rounds presently have numerous posters suggesting the price should be about £15. Nuneaton charge £14 terracing, £16 stand. Answer your question?

I thought Sheff U prices start at £18 the same as ours? And I thought it was reported that most clubs charge a min £2 walk up? I can see an argument for getting rid of that if there is evidence that it would make a difference.

Honest question - do you really think more than say, a thousand, would be rushing to the Ricoh on Saturday if the prices were £4 cheaper? No, most (NOT ALL as I have stated on numerous occasions) use price as an excuse because they don't care enough.

As already stated today they sell tickets for a tenner for as many games as is allowed. I believe that is four games. It doesn't sound a lot, but on a quick calculation it is about 17% or 18% of their home games. It gives the chance for supporters that can't afford to go at usual prices. They sell many tickets at £18. We also sell tickets at £18, but only in the family stand. We have not sold many tickets for the Yeovil game, but there are not many left at £18. Why is this?

On the day a £22 ticket becomes £24. A £24 ticket becomes £26. This is for a Division 3 game. Value for money? For each person the £2 puts off going we need to sell 11 tickets making the extra £2 for. I agree that £2 isn't a lot these days, but why risk losing any supporters for such an extra charge when it won't raise much extra money?

And like I have said several times today if £4 off ticket prices won't make many more go why wouldn't putting an extra £4 on the price of tickets to what they are now stop people from going?

skybluelee · Sep 11, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
Therefore a shit fan?

Skybluelee has just quoted in the thread above "they just don't care enough"
Does that also not make them shit fans.

People can use what ever terminology they want to hide what they mean, but the outcome is the same.[

QUOTE=Nick;772735]I wouldn't say a bandwagoner would be defined as somebody who doesn't go to every game because they physically can't afford it though. I would say somebody who has only been to Gillingham and Crewe for example and even if they had all the money in the world they still probably wouldn't go.

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Hang on. Are you saying a Coventry 'fan' who is perfectly able to afford to come on Saturday (and given our league appropriate pricing), lives locally, has no other family/work commitments or logistical issues to contend with, and chooses not to come is anything other than a shit fan (after all the euphoria following our return)?

And are you saying a good sized chunk of the 18K that will be missing on Saturday will not fit into the above category?

If so, we will have to simply agree to disagree.

ps I have said on so many occasions, to the point of tedium, that not ALL fans fall into this category and it is quite clear from your posts that you are not one of the people I am referring to.

skybluelee · Sep 11, 2014

Astute said:
As already stated today they sell tickets for a tenner for as many games as is allowed. I believe that is four games. It doesn't sound a lot, but on a quick calculation it is about 17% or 18% of their home games. It gives the chance for supporters that can't afford to go at usual prices. They sell many tickets at £18. We also sell tickets at £18, but only in the family stand. We have not sold many tickets for the Yeovil game, but there are not many left at £18. Why is this?

On the day a £22 ticket becomes £24. A £24 ticket becomes £26. This is for a Division 3 game. Value for money? For each person the £2 puts off going we need to sell 11 tickets making the extra £2 for. I agree that £2 isn't a lot these days, but why risk losing any supporters for such an extra charge when it won't raise much extra money?

And like I have said several times today if £4 off ticket prices won't make many more go why wouldn't putting an extra £4 on the price of tickets to what they are now stop people from going?

Re: £18 - probably because people know they can do this and then sit anywhere else in the North Stand? Doesn't mean they wouldn't come to the game at normal prices if this option wasn't here.

£4 more on a ticket price would put us outside the norm of pricing for this league. That may put some people off. Who knows?

Astute · Sep 11, 2014

stupot07 said:
As do we for some games - like Friday, 'bring a mate for a tenner', 'kids for a quid', etc.

And to be fair - people have suggested it should be £15 and at least one has suggested £10.

Like Friday? Live on sky? Tenner a ticket? They couldn't sell enough. But everyone could have watched the game for free if they had access to sky sports.

Back to normal prices for Yeovil. Looks like it could be a poor turnout yet some are trying to say that ticket prices have nothing to do with attendances.

duffer · Sep 11, 2014

skybluelee said:
Drama Queen. After the over the top emotional scenes on Friday following our return we now see potentially 18K walk away within 6 days. And then by page after page on here of people justifying it by saying we should be charging non-league prices. It's pathetic.

Who's justifying it. I could just as well say that you're trying to make people feel bad for not wanting to paying £24 to watch a game against Yeovil. It's a pointless argument.

However I still think you're putting the cart before the horse here. If people are saying they can't or won't go because of the price, then if the club want to maximise attendance rather than revenue they need to consider their pricing structure. You get nowhere in business by blaming your customers for not buying your product - you can either improve your product, or change your prices.

At the moment the product's not great at best, given where we are and the opposition we're playing against, and the recent history. It's going to be hard to change that in the short term. SISU have pissed a lot of fans off, and now they're going to have to work to get some of them back. Bringing the club home is just the start of rebuilding the relationship, now it's time to begin thinking about the other stuff, and whether you believe it or not that will include pricing that encourages people into the ground.

If it's about getting bums on seats, then what you have to do is remove every barrier you can to doing that. Start by listening to what people are complaining about, and see what you can do about it. If it's about maximising short-term revenue though, then things like pricing isn't so much of an issue - you might as well milk those who will buy anyway, for as much as possible.

In fairness to the club, it sounds like they are at least considering what they can do in terms of deals. I'm encouraged, because for fans like me they need to. I entirely accept that others will be happy to pay regardless.

Astute · Sep 11, 2014

skybluelee said:
Re: £18 - probably because people know they can do this and then sit anywhere else in the North Stand? Doesn't mean they wouldn't come to the game at normal prices if this option wasn't here.

£4 more on a ticket price would put us outside the norm of pricing for this league. That may put some people off. Who knows?

Doesn't prove anything as you say. But it does show that the £4 per ticket makes a big difference to what tickets are bought whichever way you put it.

Grendel · Sep 11, 2014

Astute said:
Doesn't prove anything as you say. But it does show that the £4 per ticket makes a big difference to what tickets are bought whichever way you put it.

5 of the 6 highest crowds at the Ricoh were not subsidised.

The 3 lowest were.

Why?

Ashdown · Sep 11, 2014

The danger also selling tickets at £24 to the occasional fan is that if the end product { Game, Refereeing, atmosphere, result} turns out to be appalling as it often does at this level, the likelihood they will return at that price is surely less than if they'd paid £15 when they'd more likely brush it off.

Oh and just to put the cat amongst the pigeons even more, I find it a tad galling that 16-21 year olds { probably working either full or part time, living at home with parents, good disposable income } and particularly over 60/65's { who according to all reports I keep reading largely have more money now, than they've ever had } get preferential prices on that 21-60 year old bracket who are likely paying off uni debts, mortgages, raising kids, paying household bills, paying also for young kids to attend etc !! I reckon these poor sods have less disposable income than the other categories ??!!

duffer · Sep 11, 2014

Hang on. Are you saying a Coventry 'fan' who is perfectly able to afford to come on Saturday, lives locally (and given our league appropriate pricing), has no other family/work commitments or logistical issues to contend with, and chooses not to come is anything other than a shit fan (after all the euphoria following our return)?

And are you saying a good sized chunk of the 18K that will be missing on Saturday will not fit into the above category?

If so, we will have to simply agree to disagree.

ps I have said on so many occasions, to the point of tedium, that not ALL fans fall into this category and it is quite clear from your posts that you are not one of the people I am referring to.

A Coventry 'fan' who is perfectly able to afford to come on Saturday, lives locally, has no other family/work commitments or logistical issues to contend with, and chooses not to come isn't a "shit fan".

That's ludicrous.

That category might include plenty of people who have spent thousands of pounds over the years following the team, and it might include a lot of people who have only ever been to the occasional 'big' games, like this one.

Rather than deride them, you might want to consider what the club needs to do to encourage them to come again - that or get used to sitting in a two-thirds empty stadium in L1 with all the 'non-shit' fans like you.

duffer · Sep 11, 2014

Grendel said:
5 of the 6 highest crowds at the Ricoh were not subsidised.

The 3 lowest were.

Why?

Are you saying ticket price has no impact on attendance? Really?

Grendel · Sep 11, 2014

duffer said:
A Coventry 'fan' who is perfectly able to afford to come on Saturday, lives locally, has no other family/work commitments or logistical issues to contend with, and chooses not to come isn't a "shit fan".

That's ludicrous.

That category might include plenty of people who have spent thousands of pounds over the years following the team, and it might include a lot of people who have only ever been to the occasional 'big' games, like this one.

Rather than deride them, you might want to consider what the club needs to do to encourage them to come again - that or get used to sitting in a two-thirds empty stadium in L1 with all the 'non-shit' fans like you.

Oh come on which ever way you cut it this forum has rightly been demanding the clubs return.

I'm derided on here s the time by people who now suddenly will not be going. Other than 10,000 peoe we may as well play on mars.

Its pathetic.

Astute · Sep 11, 2014

Grendel said:
5 of the 6 highest crowds at the Ricoh were not subsidised.

The 3 lowest were.

Why?

Were the lowest three attendances for league games or are you not using 'like for like' as usual?

Astute · Sep 11, 2014

duffer said:
Are you saying ticket price has no impact on attendance? Really?

Of course he is. He just likes to have the opportunity to deride his fellow fans.

skybluesam66 · Sep 11, 2014

Astute said:
Were the lowest three attendances for league games or are you not using 'like for like' as usual?

also i think you will find the FA cup games in there were subsidised - chelsea was £20 a ticket

Grendel · Sep 11, 2014

Astute said:
Were the lowest three attendances for league games or are you not using 'like for like' as usual?

Me not using like? How about a poster who says Sheffield would get £100,000 more if it charged out prices and constantly misleads people with no stats or accuracy at all?!

For the record it is like for like on your logic as 4 of the highest are cup games.

Grendel · Sep 11, 2014

skybluesam66 said:
also i think you will find the FA cup games in there were subsidised - chelsea was £20 a ticket

Middlesbrough, WBA?

theferret · Sep 11, 2014

duffer said:
Are you saying ticket price has no impact on attendance? Really?

I think he is. This is the same Grendel who was last week deriding the part timers for turning up because tickets were cheap.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 11, 2014

Theoretically what ticket price do people think it would take to sell 25k home tickets every week?

stupot07 · Sep 11, 2014

Astute said:
Like Friday? Live on sky? Tenner a ticket? They couldn't sell enough. But everyone could have watched the game for free if they had access to sky sports.

Back to normal prices for Yeovil. Looks like it could be a poor turnout yet some are trying to say that ticket prices have nothing to do with attendances.

What sheffield united games were £10 last season?

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Astute · Sep 11, 2014

theferret said:
I think he is. This is the same Grendel who was last week deriding the part timers for turning up because tickets were cheap.

And now saying that ticket prices make no difference :claping hands:

duffer · Sep 11, 2014

Grendel said:
Oh come on which ever way you cut it this forum has rightly been demanding the clubs return.

I'm derided on here s the time by people who now suddenly will not be going. Other than 10,000 peoe we may as well play on mars.

Its pathetic.

And this from a man who claims to work in marketing. What do you say in meetings, "No one's buying our product - ah f*ck 'em, they're all w*nkers anyway"?!

Getting the club back is just the start of what needs to happen if we're really going to get big crowds to the Ricoh. There's a long history of demise here, and just moving the club backwards and forwards from Northampton isn't going to suddenly change that.

Astute · Sep 11, 2014

stupot07 said:
What sheffield united games were £10 last season?

Posted you the link earlier.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/20130912-blades-cheapest-again-1047988.aspx

Grendel · Sep 11, 2014

duffer said:
Are you saying ticket price has no impact on attendance? Really?

No I think its bullshit because I think if we were playing Aston Villa in a cup game the moan would be people can't get tickets not the price.

Its Yeovil and people can't be arsed to go. Every time its a big crowd the food areas are packed. Odd that. All these poor destitute fans can't afford more than £15 a ticket but can stuff themselves with obscenely priced beverage. Yeah right.

Ashdown · Sep 11, 2014

CCFC said:
Theoretically what ticket price do people think it would take to sell 25k home tickets every week?

Probably not possible at this level, not every week. I maintain to get a 15k + regular attendance you need, £15 adults, £10 16-21, over 65's, £5 under 16's !

Astute · Sep 11, 2014

duffer said:
And this from a man who claims to work in marketing. What do you say in meetings, "No one's buying our product - ah f*ck 'em, they're all w*nkers anyway"?!

Getting the club back is just the start of what needs to happen if we're really going to get big crowds to the Ricoh. There's a long history of demise here, and just moving the club backwards and forwards from Northampton isn't going to suddenly change that.

Don't worry. He makes many claims including earning nearly as much as the Prime Minister yet doesn't seem to know much about the job he says he does ointlaugh:

stupot07 · Sep 11, 2014

Astute said:
Posted you the link earlier.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/20130912-blades-cheapest-again-1047988.aspx

Doesn't say what games or how many games, it's difficult to say it proves a point without knowing that - we do family days, we do games for a tenner and kids for a quid.

Is there a list of family days and cat b games from last season? I wanted to see whether any coincided with sky games or whether there was an increase in attendance.

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jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 11, 2014

CCFC said:
Theoretically what ticket price do people think it would take to sell 25k home tickets every week?

honestly......£2.....and then you'd still struggle for 3rd tier football.

Lets face it....We've got 10,000 - 12,000 hard-core fans.....the rest simply aren't interested enough unless the big boys are in town for a cup game, there's a promise of a JPT final ticket attached or its a "I was there game" like last Friday.

theferret · Sep 11, 2014

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
honestly......£2.....and then you'd still struggle for 3rd tier football.

Lets face it....We've got 10,000 - 12,000 hard-core fans.....the rest simply aren't interested enough unless the big boys are in town for a cup game, there's a promise of a JPT final ticket attached or its a "I was there game" like last Friday.

Absolute crap.

Grendel · Sep 11, 2014

duffer said:
And this from a man who claims to work in marketing. What do you say in meetings, "No one's buying our product - ah f*ck 'em, they're all w*nkers anyway"?!

Getting the club back is just the start of what needs to happen if we're really going to get big crowds to the Ricoh. There's a long history of demise here, and just moving the club backwards and forwards from Northampton isn't going to suddenly change that.

No you are confusing marketing with sales I'm afraid. The salesman always wants to give the product away regardless of cost implications.

Now, I would say to you a marketing person would look at other businesses with similar size and demographic and look at their pricing structure. They could pick Norwich and Nottingham forest and Southampton and say they had crowds of 20,000 plus so we will look at how they marketed and priced the product.

The salesman will say - hold on those guys have a history of success.

The dreaded marketing finance guy then says "oh so its fuck all to do with price sensitivity then"

jimmyhillsfanclub · Sep 11, 2014

theferret said:
Absolute crap.

Really?? Show me a gate with over 25K city fans where none of the criteria I list were met.

Astute · Sep 11, 2014

stupot07 said:
Doesn't say what games or how many games, it's difficult to say it proves a point without knowing that - we do family days, we do games for a tenner and kids for a quid.

Is there a list of family days and cat b games from last season? I wanted to see whether any coincided with sky games or whether there was an increase in attendance.

No idea as they are not my football club. But are you saying that they are not the cheapest club to watch for the second season as the FL have said they are?

duffer · Sep 11, 2014

Grendel said:
No I think its bullshit because I think if we were playing Aston Villa in a cup game the moan would be people can't get tickets not the price.

Its Yeovil and people can't be arsed to go. Every time its a big crowd the food areas are packed. Odd that. All these poor destitute fans can't afford more than £15 a ticket but can stuff themselves with obscenely priced beverage. Yeah right.

Ah, so this is more about your opinion of your fellow fans because you've had to queue for a pie than an actual rational analysis then.

Accept it, if ticket prices were lower, we'd get more fans in. It's nothing to do with being destitute, it's about what people see as value for money.

You've got that 'shit fan' mentaility as well - you'd rather sit in a stadium and blame everyone else for not coming, than consider whether there might be ways of encouraging more people through the door. Personally, I don't get that.

theferret · Sep 11, 2014

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Really?? Show me a gate with over 25K city fans where none of the criteria I list were met.

Sorry, it's crap. Our crowds now are at the lowest point since the second world war. They are not typical. Go back just a few seasons we were averaging 21,000 as a mid-table championship side - just run of the mill games with no Wembley ticket on offer or big team opposition on show. Crowds stayed around the 20K mark (and there were many 24K+ gates at the Ricoh in the early years) for 3 years (hardly glory years either) - it was only in around 2008 they started to decline, bottoming out where they are now. This 'we have 10K hardcore fans' idea has always been nonsense, because very rarely in our history has the average gate got anywhere near 10K.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 11, 2014

So what do the club need to do to build up the fan base? I think freezing the prices from the 12/13 is a bit of a slap in the face tbh, are they just going to pretend last season never happened?

They were prepared to stay at sixfields for 3 years originally so whats a bit of a cut in the ticketing prices going to do to them? It's still significantly more than they would have earned in Northampton.

Grendel · Sep 11, 2014

Astute said:
Don't worry. He makes many claims including earning nearly as much as the Prime Minister yet doesn't seem to know much about the job he says he does ointlaugh:

Well you tell blatent lies - like Sheffield utd can make £100,000 more by charging £4 more.

When I expose this hogwash as you hadnt even thought about season tickets, concessions, other parts of the ground.

For once admit it - you were talking bollocks.

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