Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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So absolutely nothing to do with crowds going down to 8000 then?
So absolutely nothing to do with crowds going down to 8000 then?Despite having major reservations about the sanity of dipping back into the happy, happy fun land of SBT...here we go...
I was one of a few fans – London Supporters Club members – who got the train back to London and yes, TF was there and came and sat with us all the way back. I think that the person who is the source of this 'the fans won't like this' rumour was from some others who he'd spoken to on the platform a bit earlier.
Anyhow, it's nothing too scurrilous or major TBH. Just a reiteration of the business model that we have: costs can't exceed revenues & ours is a bit rubbish because we don't have access to the normal non-ticketing income. (Aside from merch, sponsorship & minor commercial.)
There's more but I'm sure nobody's really interested ;-)
We were living within our means last season. Then they moved the goalposts. They also said that TM would get 60% of all transfer money received. They went back on that as well.Knowing TF's sense of humour, that sounds genuine. But what he meant by what the fans won't like is the business model thing – we have to live within our means & all that.
well saidOur club is being dismantled before our very eyes, this cretinous c**t is at the very least
Involved and partly responsible, but your worried about people calling him names.
How about stop worrying about their feelings, give yourself a good slap, and wake up to
The reality that when they eventually snuff our club out, they will walk away and not give
You or anyone else here a second thought.
He and Seppala are disgusting individuals, I hold them in utter contempt, and if you have
Feelings for this club, maybe you should to.
Thanks chiefdave is was concerned we would fall into the Leicester City loophole that the football league pluggedIn the past they've only done that if the parent company only owns the football club, ie: it isn't a legitimate company in its own right just a holding company.
Are you a spokesperson for Tim Fisher?.
There is no believable communication from the owners, don't you agree this is an appalling and unacceptable state of affairs.
I think he means £2.1m not £2-1m, that would make turnover £3.5m, if the wage bill is 60% our turnover.Whilst I think your point could be correct Wingy, your maths is a little off. If our budget is £1-2m and this is 60% of turnover, then our turnover bracket is £1.66-3.33m, not £3-5m.
WM
Haha! No. Not a job I'd be remotely interested in
I've got to know over the last few years, initially though having a few meetings when I was helping out with the Get Cov Back to the Ricoh campaign and since, just from meeting up now & again when travelling to &/or from games via London. I'm a season ticket holder who lives in Brighton now so there's a regular bunch of us from the London Supporters Club who travel home & away and he'll always join for a chat and a drink if he's around.
And you can see from a few of the other comments in this thread, we're not getting any exclusive access. He'll happily chat with any Cov fan who isn't too abusive. And he seems to prefer talking to the ones who will challenge him and get him to explain himself. (Just don't expect him to agree with every tinfoil hat theory and explanation that you've grabbed off the InterWebs.)
Well, this was a man topic of conversation with him on Sat and he does understand it seems and agreed that more needed to be done. There is an issue with the amount of stuff that is going on at the moment and how easy it is to keep on top of it with the limited staff resources etc.
Losing TM & CA, league position, the academy, new stadium, Ryton/Rugby Town Plan, getting a new Ops Director and of course the hornets nest whipped up by the petition / sell the club and more is a lot to deal with & would be even for a big club with the media resources behind it.
As for believability, if there's one thing that this whole sorry saga has reminded me is that people will believe what fits in with their own world view rather than look deeper into anything that challenges it.
Ultimately, if people want #SISUOUT, they've got to engineer their exit strategy. At the moment, as with previous attempts, it just seems to be protest with the hope that somebody else will buy or they'll give up and go. Who's buying? Why on earth would Joy Seppala (or any other businessperson) just hand the club over after having gone this far? Anyone got, and I'm guessing here, £15–25m to chuck in to a club with not-a-lot?
It might not be what people want to hear but if you are going to deal with business people you have to at least try and think like them and understand how they will play their hand.
At the moment, the club is nearly sustainable after years & years of loss-making. Now all they need is a stadium, or at least a secure asset like that, to be in a realistic position to actually fuck off. If that doesn't happen, they keep things ticking over until something does.
Of course, if they'd got the Ricoh they'd be gone, or at least on their way out and potential legitimate, alternative owners would actually be interested or even in charge. Unfortunately, back then, too many people wanted them gone and gone with nothing so here they still are. Yay.
Meanwhile, Wasps have the council & the CT rolling out the red carpet despite being up to their noses in debt and paying, IIRC, £2m+ pa to service the bond. At least they got a nice punt going on the Allard Way land which they'll be able to sell on to a developer before too long. Pity about the value of their stadium & getting a decent renewal/new stadium sponsorship. It'll be interesting to see their next accounts...
Hmmm...I was wondering about the timing of the CT's petition splash. Or is that just me being cynical..?
Not that I could possibly condone such action but why didn't somebody twat him ?
Haha! No. Not a job I'd be remotely interested in
I've got to know over the last few years, initially though having a few meetings when I was helping out with the Get Cov Back to the Ricoh campaign and since, just from meeting up now & again when travelling to &/or from games via London. I'm a season ticket holder who lives in Brighton now so there's a regular bunch of us from the London Supporters Club who travel home & away and he'll always join for a chat and a drink if he's around.
And you can see from a few of the other comments in this thread, we're not getting any exclusive access. He'll happily chat with any Cov fan who isn't too abusive. And he seems to prefer talking to the ones who will challenge him and get him to explain himself. (Just don't expect him to agree with every tinfoil hat theory and explanation that you've grabbed off the InterWebs.)
Well, this was a man topic of conversation with him on Sat and he does understand it seems and agreed that more needed to be done. There is an issue with the amount of stuff that is going on at the moment and how easy it is to keep on top of it with the limited staff resources etc.
Losing TM & CA, league position, the academy, new stadium, Ryton/Rugby Town Plan, getting a new Ops Director and of course the hornets nest whipped up by the petition / sell the club and more is a lot to deal with & would be even for a big club with the media resources behind it.
As for believability, if there's one thing that this whole sorry saga has reminded me is that people will believe what fits in with their own world view rather than look deeper into anything that challenges it.
Ultimately, if people want #SISUOUT, they've got to engineer their exit strategy. At the moment, as with previous attempts, it just seems to be protest with the hope that somebody else will buy or they'll give up and go. Who's buying? Why on earth would Joy Seppala (or any other businessperson) just hand the club over after having gone this far? Anyone got, and I'm guessing here, £15–25m to chuck in to a club with not-a-lot?
It might not be what people want to hear but if you are going to deal with business people you have to at least try and think like them and understand how they will play their hand.
At the moment, the club is nearly sustainable after years & years of loss-making. Now all they need is a stadium, or at least a secure asset like that, to be in a realistic position to actually fuck off. If that doesn't happen, they keep things ticking over until something does.
Of course, if they'd got the Ricoh they'd be gone, or at least on their way out and potential legitimate, alternative owners would actually be interested or even in charge. Unfortunately, back then, too many people wanted them gone and gone with nothing so here they still are. Yay.
Meanwhile, Wasps have the council & the CT rolling out the red carpet despite being up to their noses in debt and paying, IIRC, £2m+ pa to service the bond. At least they got a nice punt going on the Allard Way land which they'll be able to sell on to a developer before too long. Pity about the value of their stadium & getting a decent renewal/new stadium sponsorship. It'll be interesting to see their next accounts...
Hmmm...I was wondering about the timing of the CT's petition splash. Or is that just me being cynical..?
Well, if we've less tickets sold, there's less money to spend to it goes hand-in-hand. I think most people would expect crowds to rise if we can move up the league table and challenge for the playoffs but that's always the gamble at this level.So absolutely nothing to do with crowds going down to 8000 then?
How would a purchaser reconcile a loss making football club with no ground and zero assets with a value > £15m?
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We were living within our means last season. Then they moved the goalposts. They also said that TM would get 60% of all transfer money received. They went back on that as well.
Living within our means means whatever they want it to.
so do you think dwindling crowds bother them? Would they be concerned by talk of a season ticket boycott next season?Well, that depends on what you *think* the deal was & how the transfer income actually works. AFAIK, we're not quite at break even – maybe £1m loss compared to £12m+ a few seasons back which in itself, as far as the financial side of things goes, a big achievement – but trying to get there.
What the hell are you talking about there are real business people out there who haven't got a clue about how these people think and us mere fans have to think like them? Are you for real?
You don't come on here for ages then spout a party political broadcast.
For your information I don't care if wasps can or can't afford to service their debt hopefully they can't but to bring them into it is deflecting from where we are.
Or is that me being cynical?
Despite having major reservations about the sanity of dipping back into the happy, happy fun land of SBT...here we go...
I was one of a few fans – London Supporters Club members – who got the train back to London and yes, TF was there and came and sat with us all the way back. I think that the person who is the source of this 'the fans won't like this' rumour was from some others who he'd spoken to on the platform a bit earlier.
Anyhow, it's nothing too scurrilous or major TBH. Just a reiteration of the business model that we have: costs can't exceed revenues & ours is a bit rubbish because we don't have access to the normal non-ticketing income. (Aside from merch, sponsorship & minor commercial.)
There's more but I'm sure nobody's really interested ;-)
Heh...you wonder why I haven't been here for the past couple of years?!?
What I mean is, to put it in more brutal, Sun Tzu-esque terms, if you want to defeat an enemy you need to think like them.
As for the party political broadcast, it's probably only for the 'Things BHSB Doesn't Want to Hear/Listen to Party' :woot:
thanks Rob. So how do we get rid of sisu and I assume fisher isn't part of sisu?
Also why do you think Ct have ramped it up with petitions and legends against them etc? What's going on?
Why would any fan want their club to be liquidated, just so another one can be set up in the lower reaches of non league.If Joyless wants someone to cover £15m of her personal losses then she's clearly facing disappointment.
The closer we are to acknowledging that our future lies in a phoenix club with a clean slate, the quicker we bring SISU to the endgame.
STARVE THEM OUT
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There you go again think like them, they're making it up as they go along so how can anybody think like them? Now if you're saying you know how they think then I bow to your superior knowledge because you're obviously as crazy as they are.Heh...you wonder why I haven't been here for the past couple of years?!?
What I mean is, to put it in more brutal, Sun Tzu-esque terms, if you want to defeat an enemy you need to think like them.
As for the party political broadcast, it's probably only for the 'Things BHSB Doesn't Want to Hear/Listen to Party' :woot:
@Frankley Do you need a little anger management counselling?
PS FYI an illiterate person can't read or write.. whoops looks like I can.
it baffles me as well.Why would any fan want their club to be liquidated, just so another one can be set up in the lower reaches of non league.
I'd suggest you just piss off and support Cov Utd.
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How would a purchaser reconcile a loss making football club with no ground and zero assets with a value > £15m?
but how are they going to get a decent return as the clubs league position plummets the more they cut budgets?Exactly. That's the problem really. SISU don't have to sell if they can get things on an even keel so they can hold out for a relatively decent return rather than naff all.
Have you seen tim07 mention football?Why would any fan want their club to be liquidated, just so another one can be set up in the lower reaches of non league.
I'd suggest you just piss off and support Cov Utd.
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Haven't seen him post much tbh. He's not the first to peddle the liquidation line though.Have you seen tim07 mention football?
nope, it's actually quite scary really. Graeme hawley was on about it as well.Haven't seen him post much tbh. He's not the first to peddle the liquidation line though.
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Well, as I said in another reply, if you want to get rid of them, they need something to sell. Total guess but even if they only had planning and a new stadium project ready to go they *could* think about selling...but more than likely wait until it's built and the club re-established. I've actually wondered if they'd entertain a 51% buyout...might help with the local council opposition and still give the chance for some return.
Loads of reasons really. Putting pressure on the club re: longer term stadium deal, getting clicks for the website (very important part of Trinity Mirror's business model these days and the CT always get lots of visits when CCFC are being talked about), book publicity (!) and being bottom of the league. And let's face it, people are pissed off and it was only the relative success we had last season that delayed this opportunity.
The enemy we know seems hell-bent on destroying this football club. I'm not for thinking like that myself but it sounds like (based on what you're saying) that a boycott of home games and other revenue generating incomes is what's called for. That's pretty much fighting fire with fire.
Did you refer him to the concerns about lack of anyone from the club actually talking to the fans and acknowledging the recent goings on, rather than burying their heads in the sand?
Well, for me, it hasn't just been SISU destroying the club. (But I am in no way defending their conduct or part in all this either.)
But with a boycott, fine, the club get less money. Sell players, spend less on replacements, keep plodding away. The problem is with them going is that there are three ways CCFC can go afterwards: Up, down or stay where we are. There is zero guarantee that the next lot will fare any better, especially if the club is cut to the bone even more. Remember how we ended up with SISU in the first place?
There are too many former big- & even medium-sized clubs scraping their way along the L2/National level of the pyramid with no guarantee of getting up any further. That's my worry...it can actually get worse...under SISU, or the next poor sods.
You say Joy wants a decent sale price in millions after all she ( her company ) has been through. Why? It is still not making a profit and as you say, it has no saleable assets. Do you know why on earth Tim is still there, and why does Joy think that someone would pay millions ( 15 - 20 , your guess ) for a worthless - apart from the golden share and the tradition ( brand ) company?
Where's Les on this?
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