Time for Plain Speaking (5 Viewers)

MichaelCCFC · Mar 9, 2014

Latest kcic mailout -

Time for plain speaking

sisu are now claiming CCFC were ‘Frogmarched’ out of Highfield Road
the truth is CCFC sold HR despite not having a new ground to move to
listen to the interview for yourself at http://tinyurl.com/npu84zg
with sisu now openly reinventing history it’s time for a reality check and some plain speaking

We could be back at the Ricoh tomorrow on the most recent rental offer which would be good for the team, good for the fans and better financially than playing at Northampton Town FC

There is not a scrap of evidence to suggest the ‘new ground’ is anything but a smokescreen – a feasible site has not been identified, no land has been purchased, no planning application has been submitted, not even a serious discussion with a local council

There seems to be only one rational explanation for sisu’s actions - they want ownership of the Ricoh, and they want it on the cheap

No realistic way forward is offered by those whose main interest is being pro/anti acl/sisu, those who advocate the currently unachievable ‘AFC’ option and those who call for disrupting matches (what would SP say to that!)

So kcic will continue to

be pro team and pro fans
boycott City games at Northampton Town FC as without a shadow of a doubt the boycott has attracted most attention and support for our plight
support football in Coventry by working with Coventry Sphinx, the senior team now playing in the City
promote the epetition at www.FixFootball.co.uk to call to account all those responsible for the mess we are in
shortly undertake a fan survey on what to do next season

And we’ll continue to call things just as we see them…

bradwellskyblues · Mar 9, 2014

I agree with all you say but one other important development on Friday was ml having a go at previous sisu boards they now seem to blame everyone else but fisher seppala and of course himself.
I found the frogmarch to the Ricoh comment deeply offensive . They clearly have no desire to build bridges with us

letsallsingtogether · Mar 9, 2014

You tell um Michael

letsallsingtogether · Mar 9, 2014

Yes he also said that he tried to tell them that Ken Deluded was deluded and they wouldn't listen(don't believe that) so now they have, we have his portege baby ken.

bradwellskyblues said:
I agree with all you say but one other important development on Friday was ml having a go at previous sisu boards they now seem to blame everyone else but fisher seppala and of course himself.
I found the frogmarch to the Ricoh comment deeply offensive . They clearly have no desire to build bridges with us

Spionkop · Mar 9, 2014

Michael, being devil's advocate a little here, why is the 'AFC' option 'unachievable?'
Why is disruption of matches 'unachievable?'
Seems to me we should be deciding what to do NOW, not another damn survey please.

dongonzalos · Mar 9, 2014

Micheal

Having listened to that interview can you or your group help facilitate Mr Labovitch's wish to have a public forum with the fans to go over these figures?

MichaelCCFC · Mar 9, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Micheal

Having listened to that interview can you or your group help facilitate Mr Labovitch's wish to have a public forum with the fans to go over these figures?

Afraid kcic doesn't have resources/organisation for that kind of thing - have you asked the Trust?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Mar 9, 2014

Spionkop said:
Michael, being devil's advocate a little here, why is the 'AFC' option 'unachievable?'
Why is disruption of matches 'unachievable?'
Seems to me we should be deciding what to do NOW, not another damn survey please.

AFC option is unachievable for next season because the February deadline has passed,season after next who knows

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Mar 9, 2014

MichaelCCFC said:
Afraid kcic doesn't have resources/organisation for that kind of thing - have you asked the Trust?

I think we all know what the answer to that would be Michael

stupot07 · Mar 9, 2014

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
AFC option is unachievable for next season because the February deadline has passed,season after next who knows

And because the majority don't want it yet....

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Mar 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
And because the majority don't want it yet....

You are right of course. Yet

The Gentleman · Mar 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
And because the majority don't want it yet....

At what point do you think the majority will want it?

stupot07 · Mar 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
At what point do you think the majority will want it?

No idea. Ideally if the clubs ceases to exist or permanent relocates from The Coventry area. That's when you'll get 80-90%+ backing.

blueflint · Mar 9, 2014

can i place a bet that certain posters will disagree with your post especially grendel with torch close behind by the way michael your spot on

The Gentleman · Mar 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
No idea. Ideally if the clubs ceases to exist or permanent relocates from The Coventry area. That's when you'll get 80-90%+ backing.

So you think that after at least 5 years at Sixfields but with Sisu still telling us that they are trying to build a ground that the majority of fans will still be there?

stupot07 · Mar 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
So you think that after at least 5 years at Sixfields but with Sisu still telling us that they are trying to build a ground that the majority of fans will still be there?

Didn't say that did i? I imagine the majority will take a sabbatical, but yes the only way you'll get 80-90%+ backing is if the club ceases to exist, or permanently moves.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Mar 9, 2014

The Gentleman said:
So you think that after at least 5 years at Sixfields but with Sisu still telling us that they are trying to build a ground that the majority of fans will still be there?

I for one don't think I'll be

letsallsingtogether · Mar 9, 2014

Said who?

stupot07 said:
And because the majority don't want it yet....

stupot07 · Mar 9, 2014

letsallsingtogether said:
Said who?

A KCIC poll

I would support a new ‘AFC Coventry’ club in 2014-15 but only if it played at the Ricoh - 16.9%
I would support a new ‘AFC Coventry’ club in 2014-15 as long as it played somewhere in Coventry -16.4%

So only 1/3 want it now/soon. And only 23% said they might support an AFC in the future but no is too soon...and that was only a might..so nowhere near the 80-90% really needed to make it work.

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Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Mar 9, 2014

stupot07 said:
A KCIC poll.

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I suggest another KCIC poll in December if we are still at Sixfields wonder what the outcome would be.

jan87 · Mar 9, 2014

Just listened to the interview, that man is a complete idiot. If he mentions revenue streams once more I'll scream !!!

ccfcway · Mar 9, 2014

to be fair, he is right

revenue streams are vital

11k paying fans v 1k paying fans

Hobo · Mar 10, 2014

blueflint said:
can i place a bet that certain posters will disagree with your post especially grendel with torch close behind by the way michael your spot on

Yes you can but the odds are crap.
Who cares if they disagree anyway?

RoboCCFC90 · Mar 10, 2014

MichaelCCFC said:
We could be back at the Ricoh tomorrow on the most recent rental offer which would be good for the team, good for the fans and better financially than playing at Northampton Town FC

You wonder how many it times it has to be stated before people understand.. The owners of CCFC will not bring the Club back to the Ricoh under the tenancy agreement with the landlord being ACL.

It's not a Pro-Sisu or Pro-ACL argument but considering we are in Northampton with no likely looking return, coupled with the statements on the subject coming out of CCFC regarding no return as tenant then really it would seem pretty obvious.

Michael you're regurgitating an option which the Football Club have previously stated is not an option.

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Hobo · Mar 10, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
You wonder how many it times it has to be stated before people understand.. The owners of CCFC will not bring the Club back to the Ricoh under the tenancy agreement with the landlord being ACL.

It's not a Pro-Sisu or Pro-ACL argument but considering we are in Northampton with no likely looking return, coupled with the statements on the subject coming out of CCFC regarding no return as tenant then really it would seem pretty obvious.

Michael you're regurgitating an option which the Football Club have previously stated is not an option.

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Building a stadium isn't a viable option but they are doing that, if you believe them?

RoboCCFC90 · Mar 10, 2014

Hobo said:
Building a stadium isn't a viable option but they are doing that, if you believe them?

And if you believe the Owners they'd rather purchase the Ricoh how viable is that compared to building a new stadium?

Also I am not convinced by a new stadium but that being said I didn't expect everything to be achieved, I.e Land purchase, planning permission, etc, with 3/4 of a season at Sixfields.

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shmmeee · Mar 10, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
You wonder how many it times it has to be stated before people understand.. The owners of CCFC will not bring the Club back to the Ricoh under the tenancy agreement with the landlord being ACL.

It's not a Pro-Sisu or Pro-ACL argument but considering we are in Northampton with no likely looking return, coupled with the statements on the subject coming out of CCFC regarding no return as tenant then really it would seem pretty obvious.

Michael you're regurgitating an option which the Football Club have previously stated is not an option.

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Firstly, since when has what Sisu said bared any relation to reality? It is a pro-Sisu argument to state that their word is law, but anything CCC say can be challenged/changed (freehold not for sale).

Secondly, why should we accept anything the owners say? What have they done to deserve such reverence?

RoboCCFC90 · Mar 10, 2014

shmmeee said:
Firstly, since when has what Sisu said bared any relation to reality? It is a pro-Sisu argument to state that their word is law, but anything CCC say can be challenged/changed (freehold not for sale).

Secondly, why should we accept anything the owners say? What have they done to deserve such reverence?

By all means don't accept their word I won't force you too.

Well they said they'd move us out of the Ricoh and guess what........

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Spionkop · Mar 10, 2014

I was aware of the apparent cut off point and it is disappointing that fans have not grasped the nettle and formed a reclaimed CCFC.
However there is nothing stopping a local team like Sphinx or Coventry United from playing at the Ricoh next season. After the JR it might be something that the Council will consider.
I doubt very much that CCFC fans will be prepared to wait as long as holding on till the club ceases to exist, it could be many years. Already it is clear from comments that patience is wearing thin and some are changing their minds.
If one in 3 on here - in that poll - said they would support an AFC type team representing CCFC, I'd venture that number will have increased a little by now. & it would seem a reasonable base to begin. 2,000/5,000 at Sphinx level is enormous and that sort of support would have them skating through the divisions.
Of course I want CCFC back at the Ricoh, it is by far the best option. But we have insane owners. Who care not a bit for any fans. We are being used by them in a hostage situation.
Barring a massive climb down from Sisu, they aren't coming back.

Otis · Mar 10, 2014

MichaelCCFC said:
Latest kcic mailout -

Time for plain speaking

sisu are now claiming CCFC were ‘Frogmarched’ out of Highfield Road

the truth is CCFC sold HR despite not having a new ground to move to

listen to the interview for yourself at http://tinyurl.com/npu84zg

with sisu now openly reinventing history it’s time for a reality check and some plain speaking

We could be back at the Ricoh tomorrow on the most recent rental offer which would be good for the team, good for the fans and better financially than playing at Northampton Town FC

There is not a scrap of evidence to suggest the ‘new ground’ is anything but a smokescreen – a feasible site has not been identified, no land has been purchased, no planning application has been submitted, not even a serious discussion with a local council

There seems to be only one rational explanation for sisu’s actions - they want ownership of the Ricoh, and they want it on the cheap

No realistic way forward is offered by those whose main interest is being pro/anti acl/sisu, those who advocate the currently unachievable ‘AFC’ option and those who call for disrupting matches (what would SP say to that!)

So kcic will continue to

be pro team and pro fans

boycott City games at Northampton Town FC as without a shadow of a doubt the boycott has attracted most attention and support for our plight

support football in Coventry by working with Coventry Sphinx, the senior team now playing in the City

promote the epetition at www.FixFootball.co.uk to call to account all those responsible for the mess we are in

shortly undertake a fan survey on what to do next season

And we’ll continue to call things just as we see them…

The only thing here on the Sphinx thing though Michael, is that many, many people will say Coventry Sphinx are not our club. A new AFC Coventry would be.

standupforcity · Mar 10, 2014

MichaelCCFC said:
Latest kcic mailout -

Time for plain speaking

sisu are now claiming CCFC were ‘Frogmarched’ out of Highfield Road

the truth is CCFC sold HR despite not having a new ground to move to

listen to the interview for yourself at http://tinyurl.com/npu84zg

with sisu now openly reinventing history it’s time for a reality check and some plain speaking

We could be back at the Ricoh tomorrow on the most recent rental offer which would be good for the team, good for the fans and better financially than playing at Northampton Town FC

There is not a scrap of evidence to suggest the ‘new ground’ is anything but a smokescreen – a feasible site has not been identified, no land has been purchased, no planning application has been submitted, not even a serious discussion with a local council

There seems to be only one rational explanation for sisu’s actions - they want ownership of the Ricoh, and they want it on the cheap

No realistic way forward is offered by those whose main interest is being pro/anti acl/sisu, those who advocate the currently unachievable ‘AFC’ option and those who call for disrupting matches (what would SP say to that!)

So kcic will continue to

be pro team and pro fans

boycott City games at Northampton Town FC as without a shadow of a doubt the boycott has attracted most attention and support for our plight

support football in Coventry by working with Coventry Sphinx, the senior team now playing in the City

promote the epetition at www.FixFootball.co.uk to call to account all those responsible for the mess we are in

shortly undertake a fan survey on what to do next season

And we’ll continue to call things just as we see them…

Well done Michael...good stuff. But you ask what would SP think about disruption. To me protest and boycott for the love of your club, and a genuine concern for it's future, is not disruption. Disruption is an action taken just for the sake of it. That's not what we have here. And to my mind an all-out boycott of Sixfields is a must now, as the season is coming to an end and time is running out. Do we really want next season to start with 'more of the same'?

The Gentleman · Mar 10, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
You wonder how many it times it has to be stated before people understand.. The owners of CCFC will not bring the Club back to the Ricoh under the tenancy agreement with the landlord being ACL.

It's not a Pro-Sisu or Pro-ACL argument but considering we are in Northampton with no likely looking return, coupled with the statements on the subject coming out of CCFC regarding no return as tenant then really it would seem pretty obvious.

Michael you're regurgitating an option which the Football Club have previously stated is not an option.

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What do you expect to happen if ACL/CCC win the JR and subsequent appeals?

RoboCCFC90 · Mar 10, 2014

The Gentleman said:
What do you expect to happen if ACL/CCC win the JR and subsequent appeals?

If I am honest I genuinely couldn't predict if CCC/ACL or Sisu won the JR, what I'd like to happen if ACL/CCC won is that Sisu sold the Club to someone who could bring the Club home, I don't know whether that is even a remote possibility though at this point.

Moff · Mar 10, 2014

blueflint said:
can i place a bet that certain posters will disagree with your post especially grendel with torch close behind by the way michael your spot on

Well you beat me too it.

I was going to bet that someone would get their arse in their hand and slag off some other posters, without them even having posted, instead of just focusing on their own opinion. :facepalm:

The Gentleman · Mar 10, 2014

RoboCCFC90 said:
And if you believe the Owners they'd rather purchase the Ricoh how viable is that compared to building a new stadium?

Also I am not convinced by a new stadium but that being said I didn't expect everything to be achieved, I.e Land purchase, planning permission, etc, with 3/4 of a season at Sixfields.

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So what did you expect to happen in nearly 12 months? I am a building surveyor and know how long these things can take but to not even speak to a local council with serious discussions is all the proof you need. If they were serious then I would have expected a serious discussion with a council, a land purchase (you know what you want and need so therefore easily identified), full plans drawn and submitted for planning permission and more accurate costs based on the build and what infrastructure is going to be needed. Don't forget we only have a time frame of 3-5 years and nearly 1 year in and nothing, people will be taking notice.

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