time to stop going (4 Viewers)

Snozz_is_god · Dec 21, 2013

There are still a number of people out there who see SISU & CCFC as the same thing and even more stupidly believe that SISU are doing this for the benefit of CCFC.

SISU are after the Richo Arena for one reason. To make money for themselves, CCFC is just a means to an end.

If they ever got hold of the Ricoh Arena, do you really believe that good times are ahead for CCFC...I don't.

blueflint · Dec 21, 2013

wafw1971 said:
Sisu will not come back to Coventry they have clearly stated this, unless they can buy the freehold of the Ricoh, if fans didn't turn up at Sixfields do you think this will make a difference?

And what difference do you think it will make, the only option I see is they would have no choice but to liquidate the club would you prefer this?

why would the owners liquidate when they could get a pound for it.not going is making a difference if we all stopped we would be back in cov next season

stupot07 · Dec 21, 2013

italiahorse said:
But the fact that Players were not in Ltd meant no one else would bid. I'm sure if someone bid say £20M Sisu/Arvo may have thought about it and maybe cut their losses rather than bid higher.

No one would bid £20m for something that has little assets and big debts, and a loss making company.

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ecky · Dec 21, 2013

wafw1971 said:
Sisu will not come back to Coventry they have clearly stated this, unless they can buy the freehold of the Ricoh, if fans didn't turn up at Sixfields do you think this will make a difference?

And what difference do you think it will make, the only option I see is they would have no choice but to liquidate the club would you prefer this?

This is going to happen anyway...sisu won't pay for the Ricoh and a they won't waste money on a new stadium.
So eventually they will asset strip the club and leave with their tail between their legs...

stupot07 · Dec 21, 2013

shmmeee said:
So we'd have lost 10 points but be in Cov? Sounds like a trade.

But yeah, Sisu had the admin process all seen up, if they didn't they never would've allowed it to get that far.

If the players were with the share, who knows what we'd be looking at, serious negotiations? Sisu gone? JR against the original lease?

Who knows what would have happened, with everything in 1 company perhaps rejecting the CVA would have meant the club being liquidated.

Let's not forget that it was Richardson that set up the second company.

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Grendel · Dec 21, 2013

Snozz_is_god said:
There are still a number of people out there who see SISU & CCFC as the same thing and even more stupidly believe that SISU are doing this for the benefit of CCFC.

SISU are after the Richo Arena for one reason. To make money for themselves, CCFC is just a means to an end.

If they ever got hold of the Ricoh Arena, do you really believe that good times are ahead for CCFC...I don't.

Some people are stupid enough to believe the likes of Haskell or any other potential suitor would behave differently if they owned the ground.

That really is stupid.

Snozz_is_god · Dec 21, 2013

ecky said:
This is going to happen anyway...sisu won't pay for the Ricoh and a they won't waste money on a new stadium.
So eventually they will asset strip the club and leave with their tail between their legs...

Yes this is exactly what is going to happen.

shmmeee · Dec 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
Who knows what would have happened, with everything in 1 company perhaps rejecting the CVA would have meant the club being liquidated.

Let's not forget that it was Richardson that set up the second company.

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I think the two companies were quite clear but let's not get back into all that.

My point is if Sisu didn't have this tactic in their bag they never would've let the club go into admin. There probably would've been no rent strike. They'd either cut their losses or have another tactic like the JR to get out of the lease. Or they'd have made a serious attempt at negotiations for ACL.

It never would've got as far as Haskell or anyone like that bidding, or indeed a CVA of any sort.

Snozz_is_god · Dec 21, 2013

Grendel said:
Some people are stupid enough to believe the likes of Haskell or any other potential suitor would behave differently if they owned the ground.

That really is stupid.

Well thank you Grendel for calling me stupid, personally you're the most stupid of them all, you're been taken in by SUS's rubbish Dum dum!

cochese · Dec 21, 2013

Snozz_is_god said:
There are still a number of people out there who see SISU & CCFC as the same thing and even more stupidly believe that SISU are doing this for the benefit of CCFC.

SISU are after the Richo Arena for one reason. To make money for themselves, CCFC is just a means to an end.

If they ever got hold of the Ricoh Arena, do you really believe that good times are ahead for CCFC...I don't.

Given that you believe this as well, youll have to forgive me for not agreeing with you...

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/40175-I-think-relegation-to-the-1st-Div-was-deliberate

Grendel · Dec 21, 2013

Snozz_is_god said:
Well thank you Grendel for calling me stupid, personally you're the most stupid of them all, you're been taken in by SUS's rubbish Dum dum!

If you seriously believe any business would actually have a club that has lost money for decades actually owning the fixed asset without an umberella property company above it then yes you are stupid.

stupot07 · Dec 21, 2013

shmmeee said:
I think the two companies were quite clear but let's not get back into all that.

My point is if Sisu didn't have this tactic in their bag they never would've let the club go into admin. There probably would've been no rent strike. They'd either cut their losses or have another tactic like the JR to get out of the lease. Or they'd have made a serious attempt at negotiations for ACL.

It never would've got as far as Haskell or anyone like that bidding, or indeed a CVA of any sort.

True, but you could argue that the good rental offers put forward would never have been made without the rent strike.

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italiahorse · Dec 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
No one would bid £20m for something that has little assets and big debts, and a loss making company.

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They might have if the players were wher they were supposed to be. SISU saw it coming?

shmmeee · Dec 21, 2013

stupot07 said:
True, but you could argue that the good rental offers put forward would never have been made without the rent strike.

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True. Certainly not to the level they got. To be honest if we went back now on £150k or a bit higher with revenues, I'd grudgingly give Seppala credit for putting the club on a better footing.

I forget the timeline. Did they try to buy ACL before the strike? They must have done as the Higgs deal wasn't available once they started that.

I'd love to know what the HoT said that Sisu walked away from to start all this.

stupot07 · Dec 21, 2013

shmmeee said:
True. Certainly not to the level they got. To be honest if we went back now on £150k or a bit higher with revenues, I'd grudgingly give Seppala credit for putting the club on a better footing.

I forget the timeline. Did they try to buy ACL before the strike? They must have done as the Higgs deal wasn't available once they started that.

I'd love to know what the HoT said that Sisu walked away from to start all this.

I think it was. Agreed, would also have loved to be a fly on the wall at 'handshakegate'

stupot07 · Dec 21, 2013

italiahorse said:
They might have if the players were wher they were supposed to be. SISU saw it coming?

I really can't see anyone paying £20m for a set of league one players (and some poor ones at that) and a training ground, and huge debts.

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 21, 2013

Repeat, add bile, and beat.

Nick · Dec 21, 2013

Time to stop telling people what they can and can't do maybe?

Snozz_is_god · Dec 21, 2013

Nick said:
Time to stop telling people what they can and can't do maybe?

But you can suggest and reason with people shouldn't go, that's what a forum is about isn't it?

Nick · Dec 21, 2013

Snozz_is_god said:
But you can suggest and reason with people shouldn't go, that's what a forum is about isn't it?

Yes it is, I am yet to see anybody give reasons other than killing the club etc though with anything more than opinion and no fact.

torchomatic · Dec 21, 2013

So OK then. Tell us what would happen if PH4 bought the club? Would he own the Ricoh or the Club? Would the club be miraculously debt free? Why is PH4 - or for that matter - any potential owner interested in? The Ricoh or our little L1 club?

Snozz_is_god said:
Well thank you Grendel for calling me stupid, personally you're the most stupid of them all, you're been taken in by SUS's rubbish Dum dum!

ohitsaidwalker king power · Dec 21, 2013

Nick said:
Yes it is, I am yet to see anybody give reasons other than killing the club etc though with anything more than opinion and no fact.

Thats all we have Nick..... no facts... isnt that the same with every vote we ever make... little or no facts.. just ask the students who voted for the LIB DEMS last election.. and so we make our judgement through opinion..... I'd rather people didnt go.. but its their choice... and the risks to the club are enormous.. but they are anyway?

covhead1 · Dec 21, 2013

I agree with the sentiment behind the behind the op

it ain't gonna happen but its an opinion many share ffs

Stafford_SkBlue · Dec 21, 2013

I'm going on Boxing day, for the first time, which will be the biggest gate - ohh dear your wish is not coming true.
The only way Sisu will leave is by success. So you just defeating the whole object.
Three points is what is needed and more important then your whinging.

Covstu · Dec 21, 2013

torchomatic said:
So OK then. Tell us what would happen if PH4 bought the club? Would he own the Ricoh or the Club? Would the club be miraculously debt free? Why is PH4 - or for that matter - any potential owner interested in? The Ricoh or our little L1 club?

we would be in the premiership by now, didn't you know!

ollyservetta · Dec 21, 2013

I think its down to each individual on how they see things going /working out ,ive come to the conclusion its down to two endings,and without all the politics ill try to explain in simple terms ,ONE we end up with a new stadium ,outside of cov ,with no decent facilitys, shite parking ,a twat to get to, treated like scum inside and out and right royally ripped of every week ,bit like the ricoh but a lot worse,and at its best with a smaller capacity than highfield road. TWO, back at the ricoh in whatever capacity whether they rip of every taxpayer in Coventry and get it for pennies or go back on their word and rent the stadium. Whichever way we spend the rest of our time, as long Sisu are our owners , looking out what's next. You can guarantee the only profits the club will ever see will only be after the rest of the company and owners have had their fill. There will be nothing left for the club only debt and misery. it was sggested3 seasons ago to stop buying season tickets and to only pay weekly, and not to line Sisus pockets up front. I believe this is when we should have acted.. CONCLUSION the only thing left for Sisu is a landgrab deal on the back of the misery they have caused CCFC and its fans, so the only future with these owners is more misery one way or another

Nick · Dec 21, 2013

ohitsaidwalker king power said:
Thats all we have Nick..... no facts... isnt that the same with every vote we ever make... little or no facts.. just ask the students who voted for the LIB DEMS last election.. and so we make our judgement through opinion..... I'd rather people didnt go.. but its their choice... and the risks to the club are enormous.. but they are anyway?

Yes, it's not fact that people going to sixfields are killing the club is it? Its not fact that I'd nobody went the club would be straight back yet people still make statements like it is all the time.

There is also the risk that the people who don't go are killing the club by not giving any money but most of them want to run off and setup a pub team now haskell and his fans on the board promise has fizzled out.

jon92 · Dec 21, 2013

We still going on about who's goes and who don't?

Nick · Dec 21, 2013

torchomatic said:
So OK then. Tell us what would happen if PH4 bought the club? Would he own the Ricoh or the Club? Would the club be miraculously debt free? Why is PH4 - or for that matter - any potential owner interested in? The Ricoh or our little L1 club?

All he was ever after was the ricoh but he led the trust down the garden path and they did his pr. He was in the casino with a cowboy hat and Elliott and people couldn't mess their pants quick enough.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Dec 21, 2013

Nick said:
Yes, it's not fact that people going to sixfields are killing the club is it? Its not fact that I'd nobody went the club would be straight back yet people still make statements like it is all the time.

There is also the risk that the people who don't go are killing the club by not giving any money but most of them want to run off and setup a pub team now haskell and his fans on the board promise has fizzled out.

And you lambast others for not presenting facts.....jesus.

Nick · Dec 21, 2013

ohitsaidwalker king power said:
And you lambast others for not presenting facts.....jesus.

Ahh but it is ok as it is my opinion so I can tell people what to do and what is right and wrong, of course. This is only allowed if people agree with me!

Nonleagueherewecome · Dec 21, 2013

torchomatic said:
So OK then. Tell us what would happen if PH4 bought the club? Would he own the Ricoh or the Club? Would the club be miraculously debt free? Why is PH4 - or for that matter - any potential owner interested in? The Ricoh or our little L1 club?

Maybe PH4 would have to but take a look around-does every single owner of a football club set up an arrangement where the club pays them rent to play at the stadium? No. The Walsall guy does and is greatly disliked for it.

The long term future of the club has to see them at least owning the revenue streams-so they should buy them back.

The long term future of the club would be better if we did own the stadium, but if we weren't paying any rent, it wouldn't make any difference.

Finally, do you really think we're a little L1 club? What, just like Southampton, Norwich, Fulham, Wigan, Stoke, Cardiff, Hull and Swansea were a few years ago? When we were...in the top flight?!? You've been swallowing too much SISU PR for too long! This is a great club with history and has massive potential and I would have thought that it's fans of all people would be aware of that. It's almost as mind boggling as those that argue that a crappy L2 ground is going to be good enough for us...utterly devoid of ambition and pride in our history.

Nonleagueherewecome · Dec 21, 2013

Nick said:
Yes, it's not fact that people going to sixfields are killing the club is it? Its not fact that I'd nobody went the club would be straight back yet people still make statements like it is all the time.

There is also the risk that the people who don't go are killing the club by not giving any money but most of them want to run off and setup a pub team now haskell and his fans on the board promise has fizzled out.

This is factually incorrect. What a WUMy post! Most of us want our club back and if it doesn't return to Coventry, more people will want a Phoenix club as we won't be in the City that bears our name. Most at the moment do not want a new club as CCFC will be the club in Northampton as long as there is any hope of us coming home. It's got fuck all to do with Haskell, that's patronising bullshit of the highest order.

As for "killing the club by not going"-we aren't going because we are in Northampton. SISU have taken us there. SISU are killing the club. Why do you dislike the views of the majority of supporters so much? Again, you've swallowed too much SISU bile and are taking it out on the innocent party in this, the fans.

Nick · Dec 21, 2013

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Maybe PH4 would have to but take a look around-does every single owner of a football club set up an arrangement where the club pays them rent to pay at the stadium? No. The Walsall guy does and greatly disliked for it.

The long term future of the club has to see them at least owning the revenue streams-so they should buy them back.

The long term future of the club would be better if we did own the stadium, but if we weren't paying any rent, it wouldn't make any difference.

Finally, do you really think we're a little L1 club? What, just like Southampton, Norwich, Fulham, Wigan, Stoke, Cardiff, Hull and Swansea were a few years ago? When we were...in the top flight?!? You've been swallowing too much SISU PR for too long! This is a great club with history and has massive potential and I would have thought that it's fans of all people would be aware of that. It's almost as mind boggling as those that argue that a crappy L2 ground is going to be good enough for us...utterly devoid of ambition and pride in our history.

Have you got a list of clubs that own the ground as part of a holding company and pass some rent through the books? I bet there are more than you think.

Nonleagueherewecome · Dec 21, 2013

Nick said:
Have you got a list of clubs that own the ground as part of a holding company and pass some rent through the books? I bet there are more than you think.

No, have you?

I would expect that most clubs owners want their club to do well and be as self-sustainable as possible rather than hamstrung in this way. The notion of it being the right of the owner of the ground to be making money out of the club is absurd, long-term. That's why we all hate ACL so much after all, isn't it?

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