Hobo
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Let the clock decide and force the refs hand then
Which is aligned to my earlier post but it is still subjective according to the ref. The clock cannot really be questioned so it's the team in possession's responsibility to keep the game flowing or hand possession back
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Emailed FA suggesting they position a certified lunatic at each corner, with a 6' length of 3 by 2, with strict instructions to leather any player coming within range (unless it's for a legit corner). Still waiting for a reply.With you on this one. It's anti-football, fucking diabolical and the rules should be changed to outlaw it.
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Which is exactly what I suggestedLet the clock decide and force the refs hand then
Emailed FA suggesting they position a certified lunatic at each corner, with a 6' length of 3 by 2, with strict instructions to leather any player coming within range (unless it's for a legit corner). Still waiting for a reply.
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But that is happening with the current situation. If it happened under my suggestions...there wouldn't be any loss as far as I can see...but there would be positives
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The positive is the reduced situations where players deliberately kick the ball away from where kick/throws are to be taken from to disrupt the flow of the game by. The negative you describe happens anyway from time to time. Refs can make honest mistakes too.How is it a positive for a player to be sent off, for making an honest mistake?
One of the worst examples of time wasting I saw was at Preston a few years ago and it was by their fans. The ball went out for our throw in, their fans wouldn't throw the ball back (something they did several times) which resulted in Joe Murphy going into the stand to get the ball. Credit to the ref on that occasion as he added on loads of time with Moussa scoring a great goal with virtually the last kick to equalise.
Two last minute goals!Their keeper did it at the Ricoh in the JPT too, it backfired then as well
This was fifa proposal, basically a Rugby Union style clock but they also built in 2x 30 minute halves as apparently we only get an average of 60 minutes in play for the regular 90 minute games. It all made the press this week as one game in the premiership only had 47minutes of ball in play for the 90+ minutes of the game.Another very simple solution is to put the ref's watch on a digital timer on the scoreboard. Should be dead easy to set up with modern technology. Ref stops play, the scoreboard clock timer stops instantly.
Then the keeper, throw in taker, or player slowly ambling off to be substituted, can just look up at the scoreboard and see that their actions are completely futile.
Every stoppage, ref presses his watch and stops time and we immediately see the watch has stopped on the scoreboard. You wouldn't even have added time then. The ref would just keep pressing his watch and we would simply get the 90 minutes we are supposed to get.
Yes...I thought that was kinda the whole point of the thread?This was fifa proposal, basically a Rugby Union style clock but they also built in 2x 30 minute halves as apparently we only get an average of 60 minutes in play for the regular 90 minute games. It all made the press this week as one game in the premiership only had 47minutes of ball in play for the 90+ minutes of the game.
The positive is the reduced situations where players deliberately kick the ball away from where kick/throws are to be taken from to disrupt the flow of the game by. The negative you describe happens anyway from time to time. Refs can make honest mistakes too.
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I reckon most of what you describe there is done exactly for the purpose of slowing proceedings down to allow their teamates time to regroup - so therefore serves as a positive in those instances. Sometimes it does just happen but it is mostly pretty obvious. And I don't think I ever said it was a straight sending off did I?But it's not a mistake, it would be that the law is too harsh?
You also see players booked for apparently kicking the ball away, when they think they have kept it in, or when they don't realise that the ref has given the free kick the other way.
Would be a ridiculous reason to start sending people off.
I reckon most of what you describe there is done exactly for the purpose of slowing proceedings down to allow their teamates time to regroup - so therefore serves as a positive in those instances. Sometimes it does just happen but it is mostly pretty obvious. And I don't think I ever said it was a straight sending off did I?
Can't think why anyone would be in favour of time wasting. Sadly the refs cannot be trusted to stamp it out so I reckon something should be done. Reducing the game time to 30mins each way is simply not on
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Teams do time waste though at 0-0 or 1-1 if a draw is vital to their needs, especially down the wrong end of the table.'Not if you make a rule that if the whistle blows you risk dissmissal for kicking the ball away. Some subjectivity there I know, but situations like you describe can be spotted pretty easily'
Are you not suggesting there that they get sent off? If that's not what you meant then my bad?
As I say imo I don't think a lot of it is done to time waste, why would you time waste at 0-0 or 1-1, not a very good tactic to keep running with the ball or kick the ball away when you aren't winning.
It's so complicated to make laws for time wasting, because the rules could then be biased against the winning team.
Okay yes true but it's less Common, and it is rarely done from the first minute. Unless as you say it is vital to their needs, but that is probably going to be a last 2/3 game of the season thing?Teams do time waste though at 0-0 or 1-1 if a draw is vital to their needs, especially down the wrong end of the table.
Yeah, that's what I am talking about. Last 4 or 5 games or something where a point would be great. Also, a bottom table team away at a table topping team, with little chance of bagging all 3 points.Okay yes true but it's less Common, and it is rarely done from the first minute. Unless as you say it is vital to their needs, but that is probably going to be a last 2/3 game of the season thing?
It needs refs to be stronger and have more 'bottle' if you like and also for them to 'realise/stamp' down on time wasting before before the 80th min it happens in games from the 10th min! It'll happen a lot this season teams happy for a point (or nick an early goal) and they'll do it!
Like dissent I bet if you give one warning, inform the players they'll be booked next time and somebody is booked after 20 mins for time wasting they'll get a shift on!
Games would finish about 5 hours later.,Another very simple solution is to put the ref's watch on a digital timer on the scoreboard. Should be dead easy to set up with modern technology. Ref stops play, the scoreboard clock timer stops instantly.
Then the keeper, throw in taker, or player slowly ambling off to be substituted, can just look up at the scoreboard and see that their actions are completely futile.
Every stoppage, ref presses his watch and stops time and we immediately see the watch has stopped on the scoreboard. You wouldn't even have added time then. The ref would just keep pressing his watch and we would simply get the 90 minutes we are supposed to get.
But I don't think it would, Pete, for the very simple fact that players would see they are not getting away with it.Games would finish about 5 hours later.,
I'm sure I read somewhere that in 45 mins the ball is in play about 25
Yeah, that's what I am talking about. Last 4 or 5 games or something where a point would be great. Also, a bottom table team away at a table topping team, with little chance of bagging all 3 points.
Yeah no I agree with that, but you can't change rules half way or 3/4 of a way through a season is what I'm saying. So while teams may do some things on purpose in these few games, it may be done by accident on others, and so changing the rules too such a harsh punishment in this case is for me not right.
No I was suggesting sin bins when they are obviously doing it to gain an advantage. Then a further offence means a sin bin again plus 1 game ban. Further offence is another sin bin & another game ban. If time wasting is an issue for the FA & fans then we should do what we can to remove subjectivity.'Not if you make a rule that if the whistle blows you risk dissmissal for kicking the ball away. Some subjectivity there I know, but situations like you describe can be spotted pretty easily'
Are you not suggesting there that they get sent off? If that's not what you meant then my bad?
As I say imo I don't think a lot of it is done to time waste, why would you time waste at 0-0 or 1-1, not a very good tactic to keep running with the ball or kick the ball away when you aren't winning.
It's so complicated to make laws for time wasting, because the rules could then be biased against the winning team.
Going off on a slight tangent, I also hate this unwritten 'it's only one foul ref, first one, so don't book me' rule. Irks me greatly.
Case in point last night in the Liverpool match. Firminio I think it was. Weaved his way through the Hoffenheim defence, so their big centre back stepped up and deliberately body checked him, shoulder to chest.
Really cynical, horrible challenge. The ref goes to his pocket and the defender immediately stuck up his hand and waved one finger at the ref, pleading it was his first offence. The ref ignores that and books him.
To my mind that should be a straight red. Straight red every time. I hate that sort of stuff. It is pure and utter cheating.
Completely different to the likes of the Gary Cahill sending off in the first game of the season. Cahill makes a genuine challenge for the ball, but ends up with his studs showing, straight red.
Surely the blatant body check with no attempt to
go for the ball is just as bad if not worse. Totally get Cahill's studs were showing and that's categorised as a red card, but how can a blatant body check be just a yellow?
I think any blatant body check or shirt pull, or trip should be a straight red every time. And bollocks to all this taking one for the team and this pleading it is only a first offence is just pure nonsense.
I largely agree with you - apart from that you seem to think it ok to waste time in the last 10mins. People pay to watch football not time wasting. If the ball is in play & they choose to piss about in the corner that is acceptable...the onus is on the team needing the ball to get it off them. But to deploy deliberate spoiling tactics when they have a throw-in by passing it from one to another then another to take the throw, or deliberately block the opposition from getting on with things - that should be punished.It needs refs to be stronger and have more 'bottle' if you like and also for them to 'realise/stamp' down on time wasting before before the 80th min it happens in games from the 10th min! It'll happen a lot this season teams happy for a point (or nick an early goal) and they'll do it!
Like dissent I bet if you give one warning, inform the players they'll be booked next time and somebody is booked after 20 mins for time wasting they'll get a shift on!
Yes, agree. If you try and do a sliding tackle with your foot down you are more likely to injury yourself with your studs getting stuck in the turf.if you think about the studs showing rule, it is hard to see how a player can make a sliding tackle without it being a foul.
The good thing in that is that fans would probably lose the will to verbally/physically abuse each other & the atmosphere might become less threatening for the wider populationGames would finish about 5 hours later.,
I'm sure I read somewhere that in 45 mins the ball is in play about 25
I largely agree with you - apart from that you seem to think it ok to waste time in the last 10mins. People pay to watch football not time wasting. If the ball is in play & they choose to piss about in the corner that is acceptable...the onus is on the team needing the ball to get it off them. But to deploy deliberate spoiling tactics when they have a throw-in by passing it from one to another then another to take the throw, or deliberately block the opposition from getting on with things - that should be punished.
The refs appear unwilling or incapable of dealing with it by applying the current rules. So something should change. Just reducing the amount of time of each half is the same as the trains saying that only 1% of trains are late after increasing the journey time by 15mins just to reduce the percentage from 5%.
The one thing guaranteed is that ticket prices will still go up!
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Ah! Sorry - I did indeed misinterpret. And fully agree with in that caseYou've misread me, I'm saying refs only seem to think time wasting starts in the last 10 mins only then players are given the hurry up.
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