What we need is to build a squad capable of challenging in this league and above. We need to build a team around bayliss who, as well as Thomas, is the only player in this squad who can beat a man and drag us up the pitch. He's in need of a rest but as those two are the only ones who can do it(including our embarrassing collection of strikers) he is being forced to play and burn out.
I think this is more to do with your mentality Steve
You don't like creative or flair players. You think league 1 is a man's league etc and want straight 442
I respect that but simply disagree. We see week in week out how shit we r and only bright sparks are bayliss and Thomas. We can't lose that
Also to turn on bayliss because only end product is lacking is harsh. Focus on Shipley who has no product st all at least!
We all love MR but this is on him. Go back to 451(only uneducated fans believe it can't work) and get the ball to the number 10 ON THE FLOOR
Or play 433 with attacking Full backs for overlap. Allow one centre mid to support attack like box to box whilst 2 sit deep to protect counters.
Whatever u do stop this crap MR
No I agree it's a man's league. But a few wonderkids can still do a job. Out problem is our men do not play like it up and down the sideI’d question many aspects on what you’ve put but let’s go with a few.
It’s not his end product that’s the problem, it’s his awareness, decision making, reluctance to release the ball. Switching off in games.
Yes I’ve gone on a bit about how poor he’s been and now look at the response on here in the ratings weekly and match threads. A few mazy runs is not enough. He’s not exempt from criticism and underperforming weekly.
Now a attacking 433 I’d be happy and love to see over a traditional 442. However do you really think this side notably the midfield has the discipline to play it? I’ve no faith what so ever. We’re constantly over run with 4 let alone 3.
It’s a mans league to a degree yes, do you not think we’re too small as aside? Stats on how many soft goals we concede at set pieces back this up added with silly individual errors it stacks up in the goals against column.
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You made exact same thread about Willis
Please stop trying to get rid of our best players because manager dinosaur tactics has us in trouble
You were making comments like this last season and he got promoted you been lmaoI see your mate Mowbray has started his second half of the season slump early. Two wins in 10 is it?
Covcity4life proven right again...
About not selling baylissAbout what?
About not selling bayliss
Covcity4life proven right again...
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He was fine yesterday. He's being asked to play a role that doesn't sit suit him. He was picking the ball up on the edge of our D, not easy for him to influence the game but he tried hard and got into the opposition box a few times. He's a very talented player who will go on to be better than this level.Didn’t attend the game yesterday so cannot comment on his general performance till I see the game back but I was pleased to see his name on the score sheet.
However I was hoping to see this reflected in some positive comments and ratings on the match ratings towards him yet they are still unflattering. Pedestrian, dire, and the most common used word was woeful.
Fact is he popped up with a nice winning goal to which I hope he takes the confidence from and puts that into his game next against Southend.
As for you being proven right, I’m afraid it be like me calling I’m right on Hiwula on it’s Hiwula time thread I started weeks and weeks ago.
One swallow don’t make a summer.
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Some of his play was woeful, but some of it was brilliant .Didn’t attend the game yesterday so cannot comment on his general performance till I see the game back but I was pleased to see his name on the score sheet.
However I was hoping to see this reflected in some positive comments and ratings on the match ratings towards him yet they are still unflattering. Pedestrian, dire, and the most common used word was woeful.
Fact is he popped up with a nice winning goal to which I hope he takes the confidence from and puts that into his game next against Southend.
As for you being proven right, I’m afraid it be like me calling I’m right on Hiwula on it’s Hiwula time thread I started weeks and weeks ago.
One swallow don’t make a summer.
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Agree with this summarySome of his play was woeful, but some of it was brilliant .
Overall, to say he was woeful I find rather disengeuous.
Amongst the poor passing were some excellent crossfield balls, one superb run down the left and of course, the goal .
Not a great game, but some of the stuff he did was excellent.
What you know about football you could write on the back of a postage stamp. Jesus weptIn all honesty I think I’m speaking fair now. The kids a talent, a big future in the game if he steps up on what he showed he was capable of last year. That’s great but what do we do keep carrying him for another 15 games and we’re wishing we utilised his value to get a few more hardened bloodied players in January.
We’re still looking at him with sky blue glasses on from L2.
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The notion of selling Bayliss is a stupid one.
Firstly, he has genuine quality, and a bout of bad form doesn’t change that, and you have to factor in the fact that he’s cutting his teeth in a man’s league as a centre midfield.
Secondly, where’s any kind of long-term vision in selling him? In 2-3 seasons he’ll be better than probably anyone we could buy in the market. We’ve tied him up to a long-term contract too.
Thirdly, who’s going to pay silly money for him? He’s not playing that well right now. Derby (the only team to have serious interest in him) have loaned Thomas to us so will be aware of Bayliss’ form. What makes you think they’d spend 2-3 plus million on him? They won’t.
This young team needs patience. If we’re still in this scenario in 18 months, then I’d potentially be directing my frustration at the manager and players.
With an average age of 22-23, this team will make plenty of mistakes and will be inconsistent at times.
Some of his play was woeful, but some of it was brilliant .
Overall, to say he was woeful I find rather disengeuous.
Amongst the poor passing were some excellent crossfield balls, one superb run down the left and of course, the goal .
Not a great game, but some of the stuff he did was excellent.
What you know about football you could write on the back of a postage stamp. Jesus wept
I think you’re my brother from another motherSome of his play was woeful, but some of it was brilliant .
Overall, to say he was woeful I find rather disengeuous.
Amongst the poor passing were some excellent crossfield balls, one superb run down the left and of course, the goal .
Not a great game, but some of the stuff he did was excellent.
I’ve no question marks over his ability, although he’s not doing it now I believe he’s going to go far in the game and will take a similar route to Maddison where he goes to a championship club excels on loan somewhere and comes back a strong player for it.
For me the 2/3 year plan or long term aspect of it I believe we’d never get to see, we never do so I’d be well prepared to cash in now.
I think sides would be interested still having previously seen the ability, he’d still fetch a good sum.
A good January investment pot to what we’ve got to get some wingers in or other midfielders. It be a pot that could be used to ask serious questions for players like CJ Hamilton at Mansfield, maybe a audacious bid for Sean McConville at Accrington and Northampton’s John Joe O’Toole to add stability in the middle.
Players that can come in now and impact the side and help this young squad adding varying qualities developing together for some longevity. Something we won’t see in Bayliss who will be snapped up when he finally hits that form.
Yeh he's shitDidn’t attend the game yesterday so cannot comment on his general performance till I see the game back but I was pleased to see his name on the score sheet.
However I was hoping to see this reflected in some positive comments and ratings on the match ratings towards him yet they are still unflattering. Pedestrian, dire, and the most common used word was woeful.
Fact is he popped up with a nice winning goal to which I hope he takes the confidence from and puts that into his game next against Southend.
As for you being proven right, I’m afraid it be like me calling I’m right on Hiwula on it’s Hiwula time thread I started weeks and weeks ago.
One swallow don’t make a summer.
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There wasn't really any substantial interest in the first place, so I'm doubtful that there are a host of clubs out there who are willing to pay the minimum acceptable fee for Bayliss. Either way, I'm not convinced it's the best course of action. Certainly not worth the risk in the January transfer window.
Your heart is in the right place, but 2 of the 3 players you suggested are 29 and 30, whilst the 30 year old and CJ Hamilton are L2 players, so getting rid of Bayliss for even 2 of those players isn't really worth it in the long-term. They're kind of similar to Ogogo, all of them
In my estimation, you're being impatient to get the results, which isn't a bad thing, because we'd all rather be dominating at the top of the table, I just believe in the process of what Robins is trying to do!
Not sure I follow in your comparison to Ogogo?
I believe in the process of what he’s trying to do, and my aim for the season personally was getting to 50pts and then see where we are then on in. However the squad needs a left winger, potentially a right one too this January.
Adding that balance to the side is vital.
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Ahhhh, I hadn’t completed that sentence!
They’re all potentially similar to Ogogo in the sense they’re very good at their club atm, but may not fit in with us.
We need balance, but I don’t think it’s achieved by selling Bayliss, especially for players who aware nearly 30.
Personally, my view is that building the team is a project that will take about 2-3 seasons. We’re not going to build the complete side in 1 transfer window having just come up from the division below.
Are you seriously suggesting replacing Bayliss with someone like O'Toole who has inspired Northampton to 15th place in league 2 as an option to take us forward?
Are you Russell Slade?
Some of his play was woeful, but some of it was brilliant .
Overall, to say he was woeful I find rather disengeuous.
Amongst the poor passing were some excellent crossfield balls, one superb run down the left and of course, the goal .
Not a great game, but some of the stuff he did was excellent.
Completely agree. A around by mean was slating everything he did on Saturday and has been for weeks.That was exactly my opinion on it fwiw, Otis.
My thoughts were that he looks horribly low on confidence compared to how he was when he first came on the scene. Aren't these highs and lows to be expected from young players though? He's got some good skills and he doesn't hide even when it's not working out for him. Not that it necessarily relates to his ability, but he also sounded like a bright lad when interviewed after the Charlton game - certainly has his feet on the ground.
I can see why people have got concerns, but personally I wouldn't be in a hurry to offload him.
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