Tommy Robinson Court Case (2 Viewers)

[messiahrobins]

But that’s my point, it wouldn’t gain anything. The most likely explanation is they just haven’t checked anything properly and it’s a mistake. As you say yourself it plays into his hands.

Yes i agree it plays into his hands. I am sure he told his lawyers not to raise it with an application to the court to strike the case out, but my point is why did the CPS not discontinue? That's the concern. They proceeded to go to court knowing the order was unlawful. I actually do not blame the Met per se as police officers generally are not that bright in truth (worked for both Warwickshire and WMP 25 years ago) but the CPS has trained lawyers so there is no excuse really.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Are you a bit dim? I reported a fact. you snowflake lefties are such hypocrites it beggars belief. You are actually trying to defend corruption...again!

Surely all your threads since Sunday evening suggest that you’re turning into a bit of a snowflake yourself?

 

[messiahrobins]

The MET presented documents incorrectly (a date recorded incorrectly from what I read). The court picked that up and dismissed the case on the technicality that the paperwork wasn’t filled correctly. Where’s the corruption exactly? Seems to me that the courts acted impeccably and to the latter of the law. For there to be corruption the courts would have to have deliberately turned a blind eye to the incorrect documentation and let the trial carry on. That didn’t happen. Not sure how you’re not getting that.

The only other possible way there could have been corruption would be if the officer had deliberately recorded the incorrect date knowing the case would be dismissed by the court getting numb nuts off on a technicality.

The fact that numb nuts can’t take the win instead grifting the victim playing tells you everything you need to know about Tommy Robinson. He even has a stage name. All the clues are there that he’s little more than an act. I really feel for anyone that falls for his act, especially those that send him money.

The corruption is in it getting to court in the first place and some of what you say is actually correct in that it seems the CPS thought the Judge would turn a blind eye as that can be the only reason it went to trial, Even a trainee lawyer or paralegal would know that case had no chance of success unless a Judge ignored the unlawfulness.
I am not really that interested in TR, he has done some useful things regarding grooming gangs, that cannot be denied, but he doesnt have the reach or appeal he thinks he has overall to have the effect some people on this thread attribute to him.
This case interested me because of other cases i am aware of (very small cases of no interest to anyone other than those involved) where there are questions about the integrity of the judicial process.
I agree with you that the Judge in this case behaved correctly, but as you say, the question is, did the CPS think the Judge would turn that blind eye.

 

[messiahrobins]

Surely all your threads since Sunday evening suggest that you’re turning into a bit of a snowflake yourself?

Because i am saying Wright was onside lol. I do wonder about some of our so called fans really. Almost as if there are people who may work in the FA or have relatives that do.
That said on FB and X literally 100% of coventry fans agree with me.

 

[Sick Boy]

Because i am saying Wright was onside lol. I do wonder about some of our so called fans really. Almost as if there are people who may work in the FA or have relatives that do.
That said on FB and X literally 100% of coventry fans agree with me.

Didn’t your say your ex-wife did?

 

[messiahrobins]

Didn’t your say your ex-wife did?

Yes but she wasnt a Coventry fan. Partly why she is an ex-wife (there have been more than one)

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes i agree it plays into his hands. I am sure he told his lawyers not to raise it with an application to the court to strike the case out, but my point is why did the CPS not discontinue? That's the concern. They proceeded to go to court knowing the order was unlawful. I actually do not blame the Met per se as police officers generally are not that bright in truth (worked for both Warwickshire and WMP 25 years ago) but the CPS has trained lawyers so there is no excuse really.

So you’re suggesting that the CPS deliberately sent it to court knowing that the checks and balances at court would dismiss it? No possibility that it was as simple as human error? Maybe whoever dealt with it at the CPS is a Robinson fan boy who knew he could hand him a win in court on a technicality and a free grift? I don’t believe that by the way, I’m purely demonstrating that anyone can spin the outcome in any direction they want with the absence of evidence. Which is what you’re doing.

The only possible explanation without going down rabbit holes of conspiracy theories is human error occurred and the checks and balances in our judiciary are robust enough to pick that up. It doesn’t mean numb nuts is innocent, it doesn’t mean he’s guilty either. All it means is checks and balances work and someone fucked up.

 

[skybluetony176]

The corruption is in it getting to court in the first place and some of what you say is actually correct in that it seems the CPS thought the Judge would turn a blind eye as that can be the only reason it went to trial, Even a trainee lawyer or paralegal would know that case had no chance of success unless a Judge ignored the unlawfulness.
I am not really that interested in TR, he has done some useful things regarding grooming gangs, that cannot be denied, but he doesnt have the reach or appeal he thinks he has overall to have the effect some people on this thread attribute to him.
This case interested me because of other cases i am aware of (very small cases of no interest to anyone other than those involved) where there are questions about the integrity of the judicial process.
I agree with you that the Judge in this case behaved correctly, but as you say, the question is, did the CPS think the Judge would turn that blind eye.

So you think whoever dealt with it at the CPS is a Robinson fan boy who knew he could hand him a win in court on a technicality and a free grift? That’s the corruption?

 

[Sick Boy]

Yes but she wasnt a Coventry fan. Partly why she is an ex-wife (there have been more than one)

Mine used to laugh at us and called the sky blue kit ugly, she’s now banned from watching us entirely.

 

[messiahrobins]

So you’re suggesting that the CPS deliberately sent it to court knowing that the checks and balances at court would dismiss it? No possibility that it was as simple as human error? Maybe whoever dealt with it at the CPS is a Robinson fan boy who knew he could hand him a win in court on a technicality and a free grift? I don’t believe that by the way, I’m purely demonstrating that anyone can spin the outcome in any direction they want with the absence of evidence. Which is what you’re doing.

The only possible explanation without going down rabbit holes of conspiracy theories is human error occurred and the checks and balances in our judiciary are robust enough to pick that up. It doesn’t mean numb nuts is innocent, it doesn’t mean he’s guilty either. All it means is checks and balances work and someone fucked up.

Sorry and i dont mean to be patronising here if you are a lay person not involved in the law, but the human error you describe simply cannot happen. Going to court is a very long process where there are lots of checks and processes to go through.
What many people overlook is the Stephen Lawrence case is a huge shadow hanging over the Met for many years and much of the issues within the Met we now see is because of that case and they have gone too far the other way. Lest we forget the Met were accused of corruption then, the Yorkshire police were accused of cover ups with Hillsborough, and the Miner's strike in the 80s etc, so it seems naive for people to think in this case there was no corruption just because in this case it was against a person who is divisive.

 

[messiahrobins]

Mine used to laugh at us and called the sky blue kit ugly, she’s now banned from watching us entirely.

Off topic a bit but as you mention kits, i am a solid sky blue guy, but this years kit was actually brilliant and given our Wembley history in stripes i wonder if we should always go stripes now on front and solid sky blue on the back but with the white stripes with a light shade of sky blue like this season.

 

[skybluetony176]

Sorry and i dont mean to be patronising here if you are a lay person not involved in the law, but the human error you describe simply cannot happen. Going to court is a very long process where there are lots of checks and processes to go through.
What many people overlook is the Stephen Lawrence case is a huge shadow hanging over the Met for many years and much of the issues within the Met we now see is because of that case and they have gone too far the other way. Lest we forget the Met were accused of corruption then, the Yorkshire police were accused of cover ups with Hillsborough, and the Miner's strike in the 80s etc, so it seems naive for people to think in this case there was no corruption just because in this case it was against a person who is divisive.

You’re not being patronising, you’re being irrational. Human error is part of the human condition, you’re not immune from it just because you have a good education and specialised in a particular field. Even in the medical profession there’s a train of thought that you’re not a doctor until you’ve accidentally killed someone through human error.

Not sure how you can claim we’ve “gone too far the other way” either. Surely if we hadn’t have addressed the issues raised by the cases you mentioned old numb nuts would currently be in court. He isn’t, that’s confirmation that the checks and balances work.

It’s also poor taste to use them examples, Steven Laurence especially where putting the wrong date in a box to stop his murderers going to trial was exactly the type of corruption that delayed the Laurence family getting justice.

You also seem to be continually ignoring the fact that numb nuts has gotten cleared on a clerical error, not on the basis of evidence presented in court. This isn’t a miscarriage of justice, unless of course he is actually guilty of what he was accused off in which case he was handed a get out of jail free card by way of a clerical error and a miscarriage of justice has taken place.

 

[messiahrobins]

You’re not being patronising, you’re being irrational. Human error is part of the human condition, you’re not immune from it just because you have a good education and specialised in a particular field. Even in the medical profession there’s a train of thought that you’re not a doctor until you’ve accidentally killed someone through human error.

Not sure how you can claim we’ve “gone too far the other way” either. Surely if we hadn’t have addressed the issues raised by the cases you mentioned old numb nuts would currently be in court. He isn’t, that’s confirmation that the checks and balances work.

It’s also poor taste to use them examples, Steven Laurence especially where putting the wrong date in a box to stop his murderers going to trial was exactly the type of corruption that delayed the Laurence family getting justice.

You also seem to be continually ignoring the fact that numb nuts has gotten cleared on a clerical error, not on the basis of evidence presented in court. This isn’t a miscarriage of justice, unless of course he is actually guilty of what he was accused off in which case he was handed a get out of jail free card by way of a clerical error and a miscarriage of justice has taken place.

You are not understanding the issue. The issue is clerical error is not a valid excuse for the case to have gone to court. It is as simple as that. You cannot honestly believe a whole raft of lawyers didnt spot the error.
I have no proof of this, just a gut feeling, but had the whole incident with the jewish guy not blown up and the idiot officer calling him openly Jewish been seen worldwide, then TR would have been found guilty and put in jail, but after that incident, the Judge realised he had no option but to throw the case out as there would have been significant disorder. And before you ask, yes, i do think that Jewish guy incident was more than just a co-incidence and i dont buy the apparent hatred between him and TR but that is a different debate.

 

[shmmeee]

You are not understanding the issue. The issue is clerical error is not a valid excuse for the case to have gone to court. It is as simple as that. You cannot honestly believe a whole raft of lawyers didnt spot the error.
I have no proof of this, just a gut feeling, but had the whole incident with the jewish guy not blown up and the idiot officer calling him openly Jewish been seen worldwide, then TR would have been found guilty and put in jail, but after that incident, the Judge realised he had no option but to throw the case out as there would have been significant disorder. And before you ask, yes, i do think that Jewish guy incident was more than just a co-incidence and i dont buy the apparent hatred between him and TR but that is a different debate.

Sorry, what has the head of CAS got to do with this?

 

[Grendel]

You’re not being patronising, you’re being irrational. Human error is part of the human condition, you’re not immune from it just because you have a good education and specialised in a particular field. Even in the medical profession there’s a train of thought that you’re not a doctor until you’ve accidentally killed someone through human error.

Not sure how you can claim we’ve “gone too far the other way” either. Surely if we hadn’t have addressed the issues raised by the cases you mentioned old numb nuts would currently be in court. He isn’t, that’s confirmation that the checks and balances work.

It’s also poor taste to use them examples, Steven Laurence especially where putting the wrong date in a box to stop his murderers going to trial was exactly the type of corruption that delayed the Laurence family getting justice.

You also seem to be continually ignoring the fact that numb nuts has gotten cleared on a clerical error, not on the basis of evidence presented in court. This isn’t a miscarriage of justice, unless of course he is actually guilty of what he was accused off in which case he was handed a get out of jail free card by way of a clerical error and a miscarriage of justice has taken place.

Did you enjoy the game on Sunday Tony?

 

[Nick]

I don't get why people send him money. It's not as if it's being sent to a registered chardarity where it has to be explicitly said where all of the money goes.

It's just weird and predatory.

 

[Nick]

Did you enjoy the game on Sunday Tony?

Liverpool did well to edge past Fulham.

 

[M&B Stand]

Is this the convicted stalker Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, or a different Tommy Robinson?

Bloody hell looks like you’ve blown his cover there comrade

 

[skybluetony176]

You are not understanding the issue. The issue is clerical error is not a valid excuse for the case to have gone to court. It is as simple as that. You cannot honestly believe a whole raft of lawyers didnt spot the error.
I have no proof of this, just a gut feeling, but had the whole incident with the jewish guy not blown up and the idiot officer calling him openly Jewish been seen worldwide, then TR would have been found guilty and put in jail, but after that incident, the Judge realised he had no option but to throw the case out as there would have been significant disorder. And before you ask, yes, i do think that Jewish guy incident was more than just a co-incidence and i dont buy the apparent hatred between him and TR but that is a different debate.

It didn’t go to court on a clerical error, that’s not how the CPS works. It went to court on the strength of evidence that the police presented to the CPS. The only effect the clerical error had was ensuring that the case wasn’t heard in court. It was a gift to numb nuts and his legal team, they got the case dismissed without any evidence ever being presented in court. If he was guilty he’s just been gifted a get out of jail free card.

You’re assuming that it’s the CPS’ job to check that the police dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s on every form that they fill out. I also seriously doubt a “whole raft of lawyers” were involved. The CPS is chronically underfunded and understaffed and has been for over a decade with a huge backlog. This was probably looked at by a single lawyer. It’s hardly a serious case, just some dweeb being a cock. The CPS has serious cases far more important cases than some opportunistic grifter creating victim hood to prey upon dumb asses.

 

[messiahrobins]

I don't get why people send him money. It's not as if it's being sent to a registered chardarity where it has to be explicitly said where all of the money goes.

It's just weird and predatory.

People sending him money are naive as their details are with the intelligence agencies so i dont know why the average Joe wold want that level of intrusion in their lives.

 

[messiahrobins]

It didn’t go to court on a clerical error, that’s not how the CPS works. It went to court on the strength of evidence that the police presented to the CPS. The only effect the clerical error had was ensuring that the case wasn’t heard in court. It was a gift to numb nuts and his legal team, they got the case dismissed without any evidence ever being presented in court. If he was guilty he’s just been gifted a get out of jail free card.

You’re assuming that it’s the CPS’ job to check that the police dotted all the i’s and crossed all the t’s on every form that they fill out. I also seriously doubt a “whole raft of lawyers” were involved. The CPS is chronically underfunded and understaffed and has been for over a decade with a huge backlog. This was probably looked at by a single lawyer. It’s hardly a serious case, just some dweeb being a cock. The CPS has serious cases far more important cases than some opportunistic grifter creating victim hood to prey upon dumb asses.

Stopped reading after the first sentence. There was no evidence of any note as the Order was unlawful. A trainee lawyer or paralegal would have spotted that.
The conduct rules of the SRA actually make it clear that solicitors are duty bound to check documentation provided by clients is in order and at best this was gross negligence on the part of the CPS but i cannot see how it can be as Defendant solicitors are actually not allowed to rely on the negligence of solicitors on the other side and the first thing the Judge will have asked is if TR's lawyers had made the CPS aware of the unlawful Order. That is where i am saying the corruption is, as the CPS have to have known it was unlawful and proceeded anyway, presumably thinking the Judge would overlook it. It can be the only explanation.
I agree it is a gift for TR, albeit his threat to sue is a nonsense as it isnt worth it given the limited damages he would recover so if he is asking for funding for that then people are being fleeced.

 

[JAM See]

Bloody hell looks like you’ve blown his cover there comrade

Just call me Scoop.