Trump is my favourite comedian of the year already (17 Viewers)

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 6, 2020

Also calling a reporter a 'slimeball' for reporting that he called war dead losers and suckers. Something that has been confirmed since by other sources.

You'd think that'd get his base riled as they're largely pro-military but it won't happen. It's amazing how a bunch of people who consider themselves the bastion of patriotism can't see the person they support to run the country doesn't care in the slightest about America.

shmmeee · Sep 6, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Also calling a reporter a 'slimeball' for reporting that he called war dead losers and suckers. Something that has been confirmed since by other sources.

You'd think that'd get his base riled as they're largely pro-military but it won't happen. It's amazing how a bunch of people who consider themselves the bastion of patriotism can't see the person they support to run the country doesn't care in the slightest about America.

Saw a good thread on this. I’ll see if I can dig it up. Basically the split in politics isn’t right/left it’s engaged/not engaged and most of the stuff that gets geeks like is riled up doesn’t even register with most people.

shmmeee · Sep 6, 2020

Here’s the thread:

shmmeee · Sep 6, 2020

The salient tweet:

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 6, 2020

shmmeee said:
Saw a good thread on this. I’ll see if I can dig it up. Basically the split in politics isn’t right/left it’s engaged/not engaged and most of the stuff that gets geeks like is riled up doesn’t even register with most people.

I can definitely see the thinking behind that and will be true for some people.

But the point is people seem to have heard about stuff that supports their view or opinion but haven't heard stuff that doesn't. You see supporters of a particular party/person talking about certain aspects of a campaign/policy. Which says they are engaging to some degree and just being selective. Daily Show used to do it all the time - get Trump supporters talking about a particular policy then pointing out how Trump was doing the complete opposite or how the Democrats were doing that policy.

I can see how that could happen with favouring certain media/publications and social media keeping you in the bubble but that's not being engaged/not engaged. It's about being selective in what you chose to believe.

If you're not engaging at all you'd have no idea who to vote for because you'd have no idea what anyone stood for. Not that plenty of those people don't exist. Voting is just turning up and ticking the same box you've always ticked.

tisza · Sep 19, 2020

Ruth bader Ginsburg dead. Gotta pray Trump doesn't get the chance to get a new judge on the Supreme Court.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 19, 2020

tisza said:
Ruth bader Ginsburg dead. Gotta pray Trump doesn't get the chance to get a new judge on the Supreme Court.

Was thinking that when I heard the news. Been expecting it for a while and hoped she could hang on post election.

Given that the Reps blocked Obama's pick last time as he was a 'lame duck' president I'm sure the Dem would hold up any pick of Trump's until post election. The irony that both sides will be arguing the complete opposite case that they did last time, although it will be fun seeing McConnell arguing why Trump should get this pick after blocking Obama's.

Massively important that if it is blocked Dem's win the election, or you end up with a 6-3 Conservative hold on the Supreme Court and there will likely be a massive step backwards in many people's rights, esp women, gay, trans. Even things like science, with an increased likelihood of creationism being given greater prominence in schools.

Whole 'job for life' thing in Supreme Court is ridiculous anyway. Needs a term limit introducing.

Ridiculous that the nominations are made by the president in what is supposed to be an independent judiciary.

tisza · Sep 19, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Was thinking that when I heard the news. Been expecting it for a while and hoped she could hang on post election.

Given that the Reps blocked Obama's pick last time as he was a 'lame duck' president I'm sure the Dem would hold up any pick of Trump's until post election. The irony that both sides will be arguing the complete opposite case that they did last time, although it will be fun seeing McConnell arguing why Trump should get this pick after blocking Obama's.

Massively important that if it is blocked Dem's win the election, or you end up with a 6-3 Conservative hold on the Supreme Court and there will likely be a massive step backwards in many people's rights, esp women, gay, trans. Even things like science, with an increased likelihood of creationism being given greater prominence in schools.

Whole 'job for life' thing in Supreme Court is ridiculous anyway. Needs a term limit introducing.

Ridiculous that the nominations are made by the president in what is supposed to be an independent judiciary.

nothing independent about the federal court system.
Nearly all Presidential appointees and so reflect the hue of the incumbent President.
One of the biggest jokes is how Americans hold up the Constitution and its enforcement by the SC as the ultimate free democratic process and then have it interpreted by these individuals often on the basis of their own political leanings.

clint van damme · Sep 28, 2020

spent more on his hair than he paid in taxes.

shmmeee · Sep 28, 2020

clint van damme said:
spent more on his hair than he paid in taxes.

I literally paid more income tax last month that he did for an entire year. WTAF?

Evo1883 · Sep 28, 2020

shmmeee said:
Saw a good thread on this. I’ll see if I can dig it up. Basically the split in politics isn’t right/left it’s engaged/not engaged and most of the stuff that gets geeks like is riled up doesn’t even register with most people.

Also in regards to social media I saw an interesting article (which I can try and find again if needed) which basically confirmed twitter is an echo chamber, mostly used by the extreme sections of each political party.

The article states that only 11% of democratic voters when asked actually hold the same beliefs as many of the opinions which Boom on twitter, and most democratic voters view the Twitter opinions of Democrats as extreme.

This also holds true in regards to republicans.

It also goes a long way in explaining the constant level of anger and fear on some social media sites about politics that do not hold any weight with the general population...
Take the 2016 brexit referendum, also the general election where most polls on twatter were showing Labour winning with 70% of the vote, and ofcourse the US election of 2016...

Social media has created an imaginary sense of reality when it comes to what people want or believe and therefore creates more anger and desperation from the very people on the platforms...

In short : most people don't resonate with politics on social media, its an echo chamber and is in no way a representation of what people actually think

David O'Day · Sep 28, 2020

Ivanka is in the shit as well

clint van damme · Sep 28, 2020

shmmeee said:
I literally paid more income tax last month that he did for an entire year. WTAF?

You probably made more money last month than he did in the entire year.

The vast majority of his businesses fail and his old man bailed him out numerous times (illegally on one infamous occasion).
Him and his siblings then burnt through his old man's estate once they got their hands on it.
The story behind the airline he tried to get off the ground (forgive the pun) is hilarious. The man doesn't even understand gravity!

Ring Of Steel · Sep 28, 2020

clint van damme said:
You probably made more money last month than he did in the entire year.

The vast majority of his businesses fail and his old man bailed him out numerous times (illegally on one infamous occasion).
Him and his siblings then burnt through his old man's estate once they got their hands on it.
The story behind the airline he tried to get off the ground (forgive the pun) is hilarious. The man doesn't even understand gravity!

Or he reports that his businesses make massive losses in order to avoid paying taxes. I would have thought the IRS will be looking for a chat with him if he loses the election.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 28, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Or he reports that his businesses make massive losses in order to avoid paying taxes. I would have thought the IRS will be looking for a chat with him if he loses the election.

It wouldn't surprise me if his legitimate businesses were all massive failures and he relied on his TV work and less salubrious means to maintain his wealth.

shmmeee · Sep 28, 2020

clint van damme said:
You probably made more money last month than he did in the entire year.

The vast majority of his businesses fail and his old man bailed him out numerous times (illegally on one infamous occasion).
Him and his siblings then burnt through his old man's estate once they got their hands on it.
The story behind the airline he tried to get off the ground (forgive the pun) is hilarious. The man doesn't even understand gravity!

I don’t know the answer but it pisses me off that he can live like that while officially being poorer than me. I didn’t make any money once you take out all my expenses either!

The rich are a bunch of freeloaders and you won’t convince me otherwise.

clint van damme · Sep 28, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
Or he reports that his businesses make massive losses in order to avoid paying taxes. I would have thought the IRS will be looking for a chat with him if he loses the election.

Going by everything I've read and heard I would be surprised if it's that to be honest, he really is a shit businessman. I like your version better though, be hilarious to see him get caught doing that.

What will be interesting is if there's anything in the rumours of who stands as guarantor for his Deutsche bank loans.

clint van damme · Sep 28, 2020

shmmeee said:
I don’t know the answer but it pisses me off that he can live like that while officially being poorer than me. I didn’t make any money once you take out all my expenses either!

The rich are a bunch of freeloaders and you won’t convince me otherwise.

It's a form of socialism, but only for rich people. The problem is so many people have fallen for this bollocks that they're blind to the fact they're getting rinsed

Ring Of Steel · Sep 28, 2020

clint van damme said:
Going by everything I've read and heard I would be surprised if it's that to be honest, he really is a shit businessman. I like your version better though, be hilarious to see him get caught doing that.

What will be interesting is if there's anything in the rumours of who stands as guarantor for his Deutsche bank loans.

The whole thing could well blow up into his worst nightmare- if there is one group of people on planet earth you don't want on your case its the tax authorities, and on top of that he's got 50% of the entire nation baying to see him locked up. I'm surprised he didn't cut a deal, quit in return for immunity or something. Once you get sucked into tax investigations its not long before you end up with a list of charges as long as your arm. But then I guess it explains why he's dropping hints about not going quietly & trying to fix the election with postal votes etc- he knows that if he's voted out its going to be an absolute field day against him.

skybluetony176 · Sep 28, 2020

clint van damme said:
You probably made more money last month than he did in the entire year.

The vast majority of his businesses fail and his old man bailed him out numerous times (illegally on one infamous occasion).
Him and his siblings then burnt through his old man's estate once they got their hands on it.
The story behind the airline he tried to get off the ground (forgive the pun) is hilarious. The man doesn't even understand gravity!

There could well be something in that. Alan Sugar often tells the story how Trump used to tell people that Alan Sugar was his employee. When they met he had Trump about it and Trump started playing the I’m wealthier than you card and Alan Sugar challenged him that they should both write the other a personal cheque for $1M and see who’s clears. Trump refused the offer with a heap of excuses for why he couldn’t.

clint van damme · Sep 28, 2020

Ring Of Steel said:
The whole thing could well blow up into his worst nightmare- if there is one group of people on planet earth you don't want on your case its the tax authorities, and on top of that he's got 50% of the entire nation baying to see him locked up. I'm surprised he didn't cut a deal, quit in return for immunity or something. Once you get sucked into tax investigations its not long before you end up with a list of charges as long as your arm. But then I guess it explains why he's dropping hints about not going quietly & trying to fix the election with postal votes etc- he knows that if he's voted out its going to be an absolute field day against him.

there's rumours that he's trying to cut such a deal with Biden to go quietly if he loses which ties up with all the rhetoric he's coming out with at the moment, (I've only started really looking in to this in the last few months and there's so much shit on the man it's incredible).

Biden has said he won't do such a deal but it might be worth it just to stop the country from going even more mental.

skybluetony176 · Sep 28, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
It wouldn't surprise me if his legitimate businesses were all massive failures and he relied on his TV work and less salubrious means to maintain his wealth.

I think bank syndicates owns most of his businesses on paper, the only thing he owns is the right to manage them businesses. Much the same as the Glaziers.

skybluetony176 · Sep 28, 2020

Aren’t the state of New York pursuing him through the courts at the moment over taxes. Sure I read he lost his latest appeal just the other week. Maybe that’s why this story is just breaking.

clint van damme · Sep 28, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
I think bank syndicates owns most of his businesses on paper, the only thing he owns is the right to manage them businesses. Much the same as the Glaziers.

A lot of his construction is now actually him licencing the Trump name to third parties, he doesn't actually build much himself. It's brought him into the orbit of some interesting characters.

Otis · Sep 28, 2020

David O'Day said:
Ivanka is in the shit as well

So not so much Ivanka, more
now, Yuvanka.

skybluetony176 · Sep 28, 2020

stay_up_skyblues · Sep 30, 2020

Well, based on the snippets of the debate I have seen this morning, it seems like the USA has a choice equivalent to gonorrhoea or syphilis.

Skybluefaz · Sep 30, 2020

stay_up_skyblues said:
Well, based on the snippets of the debate I have seen this morning, it seems like the USA has a choice equivalent to gonorrhoea or syphilis.

They really haven't moved on much have they? Id hate to be a yank.

skybluetony176 · Sep 30, 2020

stay_up_skyblues said:
Well, based on the snippets of the debate I have seen this morning, it seems like the USA has a choice equivalent to gonorrhoea or syphilis.

That’s exactly why you can’t write Trump of regardless what the polls say.

shmmeee · Sep 30, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
That’s exactly why you can’t write Trump of regardless what the polls say.

Nah I think it’s pretty safe to write him off. The “Bidens just as bad” stuff being ramped up now is just the last thrashings of a desperate right wing TBH. It would take something spectacular for Trump to win now I think.

CCFCSteve · Sep 30, 2020

For those following US situation closely, worth watching John Oliver this week.

skybluetony176 · Sep 30, 2020

shmmeee said:
Nah I think it’s pretty safe to write him off. The “Bidens just as bad” stuff being ramped up now is just the last thrashings of a desperate right wing TBH. It would take something spectacular for Trump to win now I think.

The only thing that gives me hope is that the black vote won’t be suppressed with fake news like it clearly was in 2016, coupled with the BLM movement means that the black vote recovers from 2016 and makes the difference. Without that I think Trump still has every chance.

tisza · Sep 30, 2020

skybluetony176 said:
That’s exactly why you can’t write Trump of regardless what the polls say.

Key voter issue is going to be the economy.
Trump can "ride out" BLM as that's not his original support base. COVID will be not what's happened but what happens next to get people back to work.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 30, 2020

It's not maybe... ethical, but in his own way, Trump is a good debater. He throws in so much chaos, he drags people down to his level, but it's Trump's messages that are heard by those who are disposed to them.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Sep 30, 2020

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's not maybe... ethical, but in his own way, Trump is a good debater. He throws in so much chaos, he drags people down to his level, but it's Trump's messages that are heard by those who are disposed to them.

I agree. He does that well. Just like he makes it impossible to stick anything to him because he's constantly doing something else stupid and outrageous and the the previous talking point gets forgotten. Whereas others with small individual transgressions constantly get them brought up again and again because the focus never gets removed from it.

Priti Patel at the moment has the number thing, which was literally just stumbling over words and nothing much. But it's removed focus on her dodgy clandestine Israeli meetings on holiday and her horrific immigration views which are far worse as they reflect her actual personality. Meanwhile take the likes of Abbott's maths or Raab realising Dover was an important port. Trump says a dozen thinks like this before lunchtime and you can't remember them all because it's just a constant stream of nonsense that continually deflects.

You can tell it's something that Johnson is trying to emulate to some extent with some success but it'd getting harder and harder for him to keep the batshit crazy train going. Trump does it effortlessly because, well, he is batshit crazy.

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