olderskyblue
Well-Known Member
Well, as long as somebody gets involved to make the counter argument, hopefully it will ensure that the trust realise that not everyone thinks the hate should only be aimed at SISU.
Again, why would I get involved with that stuff? Want to cancel Brexit? Join the Brexit Party and stand for nomination.
Not really. The Trust board are there because no other bugger stood.
Not really. The Trust board are there because no other bugger stood.
hopefully it will ensure that the trust realise that not everyone thinks the hate should only be aimed at SISU.
Where have they been if they don't realise that already though?
It is the same as the season ticket gofundme, why did they need persuading to put out a tweet about it? Why are they so far out of touch in the first place?
Or... we can leave the floor free to one viewpoint, and wonder why that's the only viewpoint taken.Well, as long as somebody gets involved to make the counter argument, hopefully it will ensure that the trust realise that not everyone thinks the hate should only be aimed at SISU.
We raised that as well, saying it was a serious misjudgement on their part. David E agreed.
Or... we can leave the floor free to one viewpoint, and wonder why that's the only viewpoint taken.
Thankyou!
The thing is, why was it a misjudgement? Who misjudged to totally ignore it and why?
It's all well and good saying "we misjudged it" but they also obviously misjudged the bloke with all of the social media accounts they repeatedly told me I was wrong about for months.
Who is doing the judging?
We all know, from our viewpoint, the trust have made many mistakes. We didn't go into why they have made them, only highlighted them to hopefully bring some change. Again, time will tell.
Surely "why" they misjudged something like that is important going forward to be able to stop it?
I believe the trust are beyond saving. Until they prove otherwise I'm not going to get involved with them I'm going to actively work against their existence.Want to cancel brexit? Stand on a platform against brexit.
It was my first meeting for a few years (an excuse for not asking every question you can think of..), and tbh, we did take up a large part of the "open to the floor" section as it was. But, a worthwhile question to ask.
Not saying it is your fault and thankyou very much for raising it
It's just unless those things are dealt with rather than happening over and over and just saying "we misjudged it" every time as it ends up not really being valid.
Actively working against them is a bit pathetic tbhI believe the trust are beyond saving. Until they prove otherwise I'm not going to get involved with them I'm going to actively work against their existence.
I think they harm us collectively and we won't move forward as a fanbase until they're gone.Actively working against them is a bit pathetic tbh
Actively working against them is a bit pathetic tbh
Not that I condone working against them, but that was the Trust’s manifesto with SISU. And how they burned their bridges to even begin to bring the protagonists in this clusterfuck together.
How are we going to ‘move forward’ with the relationship with ownership?
I would think any suggestions would be welcome on that one
tbf, when this all kicked off, they probably were representing the majority going head on with SISU. As you say, bridges get burnt going that way.
I would think any suggestions would be welcome on that one
tbf, when this all kicked off, they probably were representing the majority going head on with SISU. As you say, bridges get burnt going that way.
The thing is, they have gone all in. If anybody mentioned anybody else they were made out to work for SISU or be a SISU lover.
They went too far into it to be able to back out of it and then say "actually, you know what we need to shout at some others as they have done wrong".
Even when things coming out like ACL trying to get Wasps to the Ricoh in 2012 there was no comment at all, it is still all SISU 100%. Yeah we know SISU are pricks but when evidence comes out to say others are also, don't just ignore it. React to it and adapt.
This is where the most damage was done. The taking of sides has left the Trust out on a limb. I don’t see a way back unless ownership allow it. And why would they ?
Unless perhaps, the Trust come out with a acknowledgment of their mistakes, a clear message of a change in their approach and their intent to work WITH ownership.
Well, i mentioned at the meeting that when the SISU letter came out, with no response from Duggins, it was the perfect opportunity for the trust to ask some searching questions of CCC. I used it as an example of why the perception is that they're only against SISU, and not looking to all the other protagonists.
We did get the majority of the time in the "open forum" between the 4 of us, so fair play, nobody shut us down for dominating the discussion. I don't get that much air time at home, that's for sure..
Did they say why they don't ask questions of CCC?
The thing is though, a healthy criticism of SISU is needed, as is calling them to account.This is where the most damage was done. The taking of sides has left the Trust out on a limb. I don’t see a way back unless ownership allow it. And why would they ?
Unless perhaps, the Trust come out with a acknowledgment of their mistakes, a clear message of a change in their approach and their intent to work WITH ownership.
Hindsight and the facts available now are a wonderful thing and I know my views have changed during this whole period. Adapting and managing by fact is always preferable to believing people's opinion.
It should aim to be a "questioning body" that aims to find out those facts and distill the truth to fans.
Exactly my point. You need to see some action because there's been so many instances of Fisher making claims then not following through.And yes, if that was then followed up by actions I would. I want that and it would be silly to be against it.
The thing is though, a healthy criticism of SISU is needed, as is calling them to account.
The Trust should never end up lapdogs of the club, but be prepared to be strong and call them to account when needed.
And let's face it, there's been plenty of need for that over the past dozen years! I don't want them to stop that, I just want them to add other criticisms as well.
I'm sorry, but this burning bridges is a lazy excuse. I offered the opportunity of a Wasps protest, I offered the opportunity to give feedback, and I get feeble excuses, or convenient vanishing whenever I bring it up.Exactly my point. You need to see some action because there's been so many instances of Fisher making claims then not following through.
It's the same with the Trust. They get stick then there's a meeting where they say they must communicate better, modernise, listen to fans etc and people take the time to offer their services and put forward suggestions only to be ignored. I'm sure if people actually start to see a change in the trust and pressure being put on other sides then more people will engage with them but for now they've burnt their bridges with many people.
It seems much more likely to me too that they didn't want to plug the season ticket fundraiser because they don't want people going to St Andrews. So another 'that was a misjudgement' is again hard to swallow.
I genuinely don't think SISU would be co-operative if the Trust did their job properly.Criticism is one thing. Taking sides and only going after SISU is another. It also has to be constructive. In order to foster a new relationship the Trust effectively have to do a 180.
I don’t think they can, but I’ll be happy to see it happen.
I genuinely don't think SISU would be co-operative if the Trust did their job properly.
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