update on odds and ends off the pitch (1 Viewer)

James Smith · Jun 10, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
I don't think we could have bought the council share of ACL tbf, that always seemed out of any deal.

Also... nobody thought ACL worth buying as originally constituted, which suggests any interested parties who didn't pursue the Higgs option to conclusion were probably... right not to.

What probably should have been done as use the goodwill on arrival to push for a better deal to own the ground but... why would our owners have done that for any more magnanimous reasons on arrival than now?!? They'd still have been the same owners with the same motivations, just ith public opinion on their side rather than against.

Wasn't suggesting that initially we could have bought the council share, that would have required trust on the (two faced) council side for SISU. However we would have had access to the ACL books and an equal number of seats on the board to the council. We could have proved the claim from Tim that ACL were over charging for things like phone calls etc. Did he ever prove that?

I can't really say that they've got public opinion on their side, not with a straight face anyway.

oldfiver · Jun 10, 2015

oldskyblue58 said:
you would know that because ? :thinking about: Can I suggest that the club file it online in future, very simple process and it is on the Companies House website in hours. Saves unnecessary questions and speculation

"I am assuming it is an oversight on the part of the club," is being charitable for a club that has a regular history of filing things late.

Wasn't a case of being negative, only factual which is precisely why I put the first sentence in the OP

If you are as knowledgeable as you make out in this forum you should know the answer to your question

Also if you are saying you or a client have never had a late set of accounts or annual return you have led a very charmed life!

Astute · Jun 10, 2015

oldfiver said:
If you are as knowledgeable as you make out in this forum you should know the answer to your question

Also if you are saying you or a client have never had a late set of accounts or annual return you have led a very charmed life!

But how many have had as many late as us since SISU took over? It wasn't that long ago when they put it on the offal that they had filed them. How many clients of his do you think felt the need to do something like that?

oldfiver · Jun 11, 2015

Astute said:
But how many have had as many late as us since SISU took over? It wasn't that long ago when they put it on the offal that they had filed them. How many clients of his do you think felt the need to do something like that?

I cannot answer that but:

98% of Companies requiring an Annual Return were up to date at the last count

HOWEVER only 77% filed before due date or on time out of nearly 3million

skybluetony176 · Jun 11, 2015

oldfiver said:
If you are as knowledgeable as you make out in this forum you should know the answer to your question

Also if you are saying you or a client have never had a late set of accounts or annual return you have led a very charmed life!

If you were as interested in the "truth" as you make out you'd tell us the answer to your question.

oldfiver · Jun 11, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
If you were as interested in the "truth" as you make out you'd tell us the answer to your question.

Which question?

skybluetony176 · Jun 11, 2015

oldfiver said:
Which question?

That's a no then.

Grendel · Jun 11, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
That's a no then.

No he didn't understand your post - which I didn't either

skybluetony176 · Jun 11, 2015

Grendel said:
No he didn't understand your post - which I didn't either

I didn't realise following a trail of posts was so difficult but basically it comes back to this quote from oldfiver "It is filed just not online yet". To which OSB replied "you would know that because ?". Oldfiver then replied "If you are as knowledgeable as you make out in this forum you should know the answer to your question"

So what I'm asking Oldfiver is what is the answer to the question that he believes OSB should be knowledgable enough to know? In the interest of truth. He clearly must know the answer to the question he's asked OSB so why doesn't he stop beating around the bush and spit it out?

oldfiver · Jun 11, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
I didn't realise following a trail of posts was so difficult but basically it comes back to this quote from oldfiver "It is filed just not online yet". To which OSB replied "you would know that because ?". Oldfiver then replied "If you are as knowledgeable as you make out in this forum you should know the answer to your question"

So what I'm asking Oldfiver is what is the answer to the question that he believes OSB should be knowledgable enough to know? In the interest of truth. He clearly must know the answer to the question he's asked OSB so why doesn't he stop beating around the bush and spit it out?

I still have NOT asked a question!!

I am not here to advise OSB - I am not a charity!

oldfiver · Jun 11, 2015

Astute said:
But how many have had as many late as us since SISU took over? It wasn't that long ago when they put it on the offal that they had filed them. How many clients of his do you think felt the need to do something like that?

Well it seems to be not uncommon - for example:

THE ALAN EDWARD HIGGS CHARITY

05 Apr 2014	£622,578	£4,371,085	04 Feb 2015	04 Feb 2015
05 Apr 2013	£508,516	£342,921	01 May 2014 (85 days late)	01 May 2014 (85 days late)
05 Apr 2012	£471,210	£477,511	01 May 2014 (450 days late)	01 May 2014 (450 days late)

fernandopartridge · Jun 11, 2015

oldfiver said:
Well it seems to be not uncommon - for example:

THE ALAN EDWARD HIGGS CHARITY

05 Apr 2014 £622,578 £4,371,085 04 Feb 2015 04 Feb 2015
05 Apr 2013 £508,516 £342,921 01 May 2014 (85 days late) 01 May 2014 (85 days late)
05 Apr 2012 £471,210 £477,511 01 May 2014 (450 days late) 01 May 2014 (450 days late)

That's SISU's fault. What do the columns refer to?

skybluetony176 · Jun 11, 2015

oldfiver said:
I still have NOT asked a question!!

I am not here to advise OSB - I am not a charity!

OK, I see. You just wanted to stir shit. Fair enough.

I'll ask you the question then? What is the answer to the question OSB should be knowledgeable enough to answer?

By the way, you must be a charity. You advised OSB when you stold him "It is filed just not online yet".

oldfiver · Jun 11, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
OK, I see. You just wanted to stir shit. Fair enough.

I'll ask you the question then? What is the answer to the question OSB should be knowledgeable enough to answer?

By the way, you must be a charity. You advised OSB when you stold him "It is filed just not online yet".

Accounting Reference Date: 31/05
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/05/2014 (FULL)
Next Accounts Due: 29/02/2016
Last Return Made Up To: 21/04/2015
Next Return Due: 19/05/2016

skybluetony176 · Jun 11, 2015

oldfiver said:
Accounting Reference Date: 31/05
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/05/2014 (FULL)
Next Accounts Due: 29/02/2016
Last Return Made Up To: 21/04/2015
Next Return Due: 19/05/2016

That's not the answer to the question OSB asked you. He asked "you would know that because?" In reply to you advising him that it was filled just not online yet.

Grendel · Jun 11, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
That's not the answer to the question OSB asked you. He asked "you would know that because?" In reply to you advising him that it was filled just not online yet.

Are you OSB's new tea boy?

skybluetony176 · Jun 11, 2015

Grendel said:
Are you OSB's new tea boy?

No more than you're oldfivers new tea boy. I'm just curious to how he would know. Not a difficult question. You'd think.

oldskyblue58 · Jun 11, 2015

so it was filed late electronically on 04/06/15 then ...... better late than never ....... nothing unusual on the return either. Public notice only appeared on CH website this lunchtime

oldfiver · Jun 11, 2015

oldskyblue58 said:
so it was filed late electronically on 04/06/15 then ...... better late than never ....... nothing unusual on the return either. Public notice only appeared on CH website this lunchtime

04/06/15 ?

jas365 · Jun 11, 2015

oldfiver said:
If you are as knowledgeable as you make out in this forum you should know the answer to your question

Also if you are saying you or a client have never had a late set of accounts or annual return you have led a very charmed life!

I'm sorry but there really is no excuse for filing accounts and annual returns late.

Every company knows it's own filing deadlines. I've run my own accounts business for 10 years now, and not one of my clients has ever missed a filing deadline with Companies House.

Grendel · Jun 11, 2015

jas365 said:
I'm sorry but there really is no excuse for filing accounts and annual returns late.

Every company knows it's own filing deadlines. I've run my own accounts business for 10 years now, and not one of my clients has ever missed a filing deadline with Companies House.

Better tell PWKH then

jas365 · Jun 11, 2015

Grendel said:
Better tell PWKH then

What's that got to do with it?

Grendel · Jun 11, 2015

jas365 said:
What's that got to do with it?

Late returns from the Higgs Charity - no excuse is there?

jas365 · Jun 11, 2015

No, i made that perfectly clear in my first post.....

Grendel · Jun 11, 2015

jas365 said:
No, i made that perfectly clear in my first post.....

Well that it does have something to do with it then. Pwkh and Joy - two peas in a pod.

jas365 · Jun 11, 2015

Grendel said:
Well that it does have something to do with it then. Pwkh and Joy - two peas in a pod.

You agree with my post though, which is the main thing.

oldfiver · Jun 11, 2015

jas365 said:
I'm sorry but there really is no excuse for filing accounts and annual returns late.

Every company knows it's own filing deadlines. I've run my own accounts business for 10 years now, and not one of my clients has ever missed a filing deadline with Companies House.

Strictly speaking you are correct and if you have never had cause to file late you have been either lucky or not had problem accounts.

I will not list all the reasons I have encountered, and I am sure OSB must have had similar problems, but CH are quite sympathetic when a genuine reason - they generally do not cancel the penalty though!

It happens in the best run concerns - has anyone checked ACL in the same detail as CCFC/Otium? - even Higgs were once over a year late at the Charity Commissioners and (less) late the following year.

olderskyblue · Jun 11, 2015

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't get a transfer embargo put on us if ACL or Higgs file their accounts late do we?

lordsummerisle · Jun 12, 2015

olderskyblue said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't get a transfer embargo put on us if ACL or Higgs file their accounts late do we?

No, but what about the poor starving chidren?

Astute · Jun 12, 2015

lordsummerisle said:
No, but what about the poor starving chidren?

Would they get a transfer embargo?

skybluetony176 · Jun 12, 2015

It amaze's me that when someone discusses something on a CCFC forum that concerns the club and could possibly effect the day to day running of the club some poster's feel the need to deflect the issue onto ACL, Higgs etc.

Why do certain posters on this CCFC forum always take issue with the club being held to account? As a fan and if you want to be sterile about it, as a paying customer isn't it your duty to hold the club to account? I would say yes. So I don't see why others take issue with it.

Grendel · Jun 12, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
It amaze's me that when someone discusses something on a CCFC forum that concerns the club and could possibly effect the day to day running of club some poster's feel the need to deflect the issue onto ACL, Higgs etc.

Why do certain posters on this CCFC forum always take issue with the club being held to account? As a fan and if you want to be sterile about it, as a paying customer isn't it your duty to hold the club to account? I would say yes. So I don't see why others take issue with it.

I don't anything that was said that will impact the day to day running of the club.

No deflection I can see - just relevant comparisons to organisations in similar situations.

skybluetony176 · Jun 12, 2015

Grendel said:
I don't anything that was said that will impact the day to day running of the club.

No deflection I can see - just relevant comparisons to organisations in similar situations.

So we've never had a transfer embargo before for posting anything late?

Why do we need a comparison? A comparison would be another football club anyway, so that wasn't a comparison it was a quite deliberate deflection.

olderskyblue · Jun 12, 2015

lordsummerisle said:
No, but what about the poor starving chidren?

You mean the young wasps supporters? I didn't realise they were starving. ACL should open the kiosks earlier....

James Smith · Jun 12, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
So we've never had a transfer embargo before for posting anything late?

Why do we need a comparison? A comparison would be another football club anyway, so that wasn't a comparison it was a quite deliberate deflection.

And there's me thinking it was www comparethewestmidlandscompaniesaccounts.com

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