VAR Saturday (1 Viewer)

rob9872 · Mar 12, 2024

Are you looking forward to it?

Should it be used?

Are we at a disadvantage against teams who are used to it week in week out?

Personally not a fan, but in a competition it should be all or none, not those who have it available and certainly not in the same round as others where it isn't.

Hope we've been well drilled and are prepared for it.

Dickie · Mar 12, 2024

It’s been used in our games before. I’m not a fan either especially as the VARs generally seem atrocious.

rob9872 · Mar 12, 2024

Dickie said:
It’s been used in our games before. I’m not a fan either especially as the VARs generally seem atrocious.

When? Not disputing btw just can't remember it before.

Edit- play off final of course doh!

Hobo · Mar 12, 2024

rob9872 said:
Are you looking forward to it?

Should it be used?

Are we at a disadvantage against teams who are used to it week in week out?

Personally not a fan, but in a competition it should be all or none, not those who have it available and certainly not in the same round as others where it isn't.

Hope we've been well drilled and are prepared for it.

I don't see how we are disadvantaged by it?

It's a contrary system blighted by human error, when it was meant to deliver correct decisions, clear and obvious.

It's a failure.

Tommo1993 · Mar 12, 2024

People are getting really wrapped up in that Mirror article aren’t they? The one about the final dates.

I fear if we lose that the ‘Agenda against CCFC’ brigade will be out in force….

Sick Boy · Mar 12, 2024

It didn’t do us much harm in the play off final.

Brylowes · Mar 12, 2024

To have different rules in different games in the same competition is a nonsense imho.

Not sure a team that regularly plays games overseen by VAR would gain any real advantage over a team that doesn’t though, they’d all just play their normal game I would think.

Nuskyblue · Mar 12, 2024

rob9872 said:
When? Not disputing btw just can't remember it before.

Playoff final and Southampton away in the cup

rob9872 · Mar 12, 2024

Hobo said:
I don't see how we are disadvantaged by it?

I thought possibly they are more used to it might have a different attitude

rob9872 · Mar 12, 2024

Nuskyblue said:
Playoff final and Southampton away in the cup

Thanks. Was at both, didn't realise it was in Saints game.

Nuskyblue · Mar 12, 2024

rob9872 said:
Thanks. Was at both, didn't realise it was in Saints game.

Disallowed our goal in extra time Waghorn was offside needlessly

It’sabatch87 · Mar 12, 2024

What i found strange this season is the penalty against us against lesta ie fair tackle and follow through onto the player and exactly the same in the Liverpool v Man City game with VAR and no penalty!!

Nuskyblue · Mar 12, 2024

It’sabatch87 said:
What i found strange this season is the penalty against us against lesta ie fair tackle and follow through onto the player and exactly the same in the Liverpool v Man City game with VAR and no penalty!!

It's completely subjective.

Not definitive one way or the other, not a obvious error so VAR, correctly more often or not keeps it's beak out.

VAR in all reality is probably only required for a handful of decisions each season.

Nick · Mar 12, 2024

It shouldn't be used in some games but not others in the same competition.

Tommo1993 · Mar 12, 2024

There is zero disadvantage

Deleted member 9744 · Mar 12, 2024

Nick said:
It shouldn't be used in some games but not others in the same competition.

Why?

Hobo · Mar 12, 2024

rob9872 said:
I thought possibly they are more used to it might have a different attitude

I can't see how it changes the way you play

shmmeee · Mar 12, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
Why?

I agree here. All games should be equal in a competition. I’d turn it off for cup games bar the final.

Deleted member 9744 · Mar 12, 2024

shmmeee said:
I agree here. All games should be equal in a competition. I’d turn it off for cup games bar the final.

There would only be an inequality if it only applied to one side in a game.

There are other things that are different between games including the size of the pitch. Why don't we play every match on the same pitch?

shmmeee · Mar 12, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
There would only be an inequality if it only applied to one side in a game.

There are other things that are different between games including the size of the pitch. Why don't we play every match on the same pitch?

The same pitch rules apply to all teams?

The inequality exists when not every game in the tournament has the same rules. You aren’t just competing against the team you draw, as all of us who dream about the shit team knocking out Man City for us all know.

Hobo · Mar 12, 2024

It’sabatch87 said:
What i found strange this season is the penalty against us against lesta ie fair tackle and follow through onto the player and exactly the same in the Liverpool v Man City game with VAR and no penalty!!

Because VAR should be used for things like did the ball go out of play. Is it a clear offside (not a hand or a big toe).

A lot of football rules are open to interpretation when it comes to intent, force or aggression.
The refs and experts can't agree from one week to the next. So VAR just exacerbates the situation.

VAR is vastly over rated and over used. It would be interesting if teams could only nominate to use it twice in each game.

Deleted member 9744 · Mar 12, 2024

shmmeee said:
The same pitch rules apply to all teams?

The inequality exists when not every game in the tournament has the same rules. You aren’t just competing against the team you draw, as all of us who dream about the shit team knocking out Man City for us all know.

They are playing to the same rules. Applying VAR where available just means in theory some matches should have better refereeing decisions. That has no impact on any other match. Taking your argument we would need the same referee to officiate in every tie (and have every tie at the same ground, preferably with similar weather conditions).

shmmeee · Mar 12, 2024

Deleted member 9744 said:
They are playing to the same rules. Applying VAR where available just means in theory some matches should have better refereeing decisions. That has no impact on any other match. Taking your argument we would need the same referee to officiate in every tie (and have every tie at the same ground, preferably with similar weather conditions).

They’re not the same rules. There’s a whole room of extra referees.

Deleted member 9744 · Mar 12, 2024

shmmeee said:
They’re not the same rules. There’s a whole room of extra referees.

Applying the same rules!

rob9872 · Mar 12, 2024

Well if you're going to be pedantic, laws

Deleted member 9744 · Mar 12, 2024

rob9872 said:
Well if you're going to be pedantic, laws

Well yes they're called laws but I always thought that was ridiculous anyway! They really aren't laws.

Frostie · Mar 12, 2024

shmmeee said:
I agree here. All games should be equal in a competition. I’d turn it off for cup games bar the final.

I'd turn it off for everything, forever.
Has blighted the sport far more than it's improved it.

Brylowes · Mar 12, 2024

shmmeee said:
They’re not the same rules. There’s a whole room of extra referees.

Deleted member 9744 said:
Applying the same rules!

Same rules yes but implemented differently.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 13, 2024

Frostie said:
I'd turn it off for everything, forever.
Has blighted the sport far more than it's improved it.

Evidence of accurate decisions disagrees with you.
I agree with you though

SBT · Mar 13, 2024

shmmeee said:
All games should be equal in a competition. I’d turn it off for cup games bar the final.

So all games…..aren’t equal then?

shmmeee · Mar 13, 2024

SBT said:
So all games…..aren’t equal then?

A decision in the final doesn’t affect any other game.

SBT · Mar 13, 2024

shmmeee said:
A decision in the final doesn’t affect any other game.

It has quite a big impact on who wins the tournament though

Nick · Mar 13, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Evidence of accurate decisions disagrees with you.
I agree with you though

Plenty of evidence of wrong decisions too, even with 10 people watching replays.

Frostie · Mar 13, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Evidence of accurate decisions disagrees with you.
I agree with you though

That's my point though.

Even if we believe the stats on more accurate decisions, is it worth it for the endless delays, the lack of euphoria & inability to celebrate goals, the undermining of match officials & thus the complete erosion of faith & respect for the referees & governing bodies?

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 13, 2024

Frostie said:
That's my point though.

Even if we believe the stats on more accurate decisions, is it worth it for the endless delays, the lack of euphoria & inability to celebrate goals, the complete erosion of faith & respect for the referees & governing bodies?

For me no
Stick with evidential not subjective decisions
Goal line touch line and if you can ensure 100% accuracy other things but as we can’t we shouldn’t

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