Victor Torp (2 Viewers)

skybluecam · Aug 24, 2024

Most of this is far too reactionary.

Torp and Eccles can't play together though. They would both look a lot better playing alongside Sheaf, as he actually takes control of a game and dictates the tempo.

Hopefully a new midfielder comes in and Torp will have to fight his way back in.

Evo1883 · Aug 24, 2024

Sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit

quinn1971 · Aug 24, 2024

not sure if torp will start once sheafs back, it’s the Eccles/allen position we need to sort,

torchomatic · Aug 24, 2024

I know all the midfield were poor, but by God, Eccles was shite.

CCFCSteve · Aug 24, 2024

torchomatic said:
I know all the midfield were poor, but by God, Eccles was shite.

First half I’d agree, especially after getting caught in possession in dangerous areas a couple of times, but he did a load of decent defensive work second. Not sure if this is correct but interesting stats as well

shmmeee · Aug 24, 2024

CCFCSteve said:
First half I’d agree, especially getting caught in possession a couple of times but he did a load of decent defensive work second. Not sure if this is correct but interesting stats as well

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It’s the particular passes he missed that are the problem. He improved second half though. We just need more quality than him and Torp provide.

CCFCSteve · Aug 24, 2024

shmmeee said:
It’s the particular passes he missed that are the problem. He improved second half though. We just need more quality than him and Torp provide.

Yeah, the passing across the team was woeful today. It was strange how poor it was

Skyblue_CP · Aug 24, 2024

Clarkey_CCFC said:
Get one of the multi million pound forwards, that are never gonna play, have a game in midfield.

Do us all a favour and give it abit of a rest mate I don’t know what’s worse, your obsession with the forwards costing money or the constant asking for a proper centre half.

Tommo1993 · Aug 24, 2024

Really not a fan.

quinn1971 · Aug 24, 2024

CCFCSteve said:
First half I’d agree, especially after getting caught in possession in dangerous areas a couple of times, but he did a load of decent defensive work second. Not sure if this is correct but interesting stats as well

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But 52 of those passes were sideways or backwards, you Need to be a bit better than just passing it safe, to be fair rudoni and torp were just as bad, to be at the level we need to be at Eccles should be a squad player and not starting

BackRoomRummermill · Aug 24, 2024

Not his best game for sure - I think Bristol played really well and give them credit they stuffed out a lot of what we do - the team scrapped a draw it was not all down to Torp or Saka or anyone else - Bristol will feel a bit robbed

CCFCSteve · Aug 24, 2024

quinn1971 said:
But 52 of those passes were sideways or backwards, you Need to be a bit better than just passing it safe, to be fair rudoni and torp were just as bad, to be at the level we need to be at Eccles should be a squad player and not starting

The X post was suggesting he still did more than the others in terms of progressive passes though, as well as doing all the dirty work. Don’t get me wrong it wasn’t a great overall performance but second half I thought he was better than people are making out

Otis · Aug 24, 2024

torchomatic said:
I know all the midfield were poor, but by God, Eccles was shite.

Eccles was definitely better than Torp and Rudoni, for the most part, was nowhere to be seen all game.

Skyblue Bangkok · Aug 24, 2024

Otis said:
Eccles was definitely better than Torp and Rudoni, for the most part, was nowhere to be seen all game.

It's a very low bar then .

ms639 · Aug 24, 2024

Lightweight. Torp in a word.

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Trueskyblue20 · Aug 24, 2024

There are certain players you really want to make it. I really wanted Burroughs to come on and be a great RB/LB for us but there gets a point when you realise they are just aren’t cut out for this level at this point and that’s where I am with Torp.

He’s had countless opportunities but still looks
miles off the pace and basic things like losing the ball so easily in possession when he thinks he’s got an extra 5 seconds. Not to mention he has the turning circle of a fridge.

Hopefully it shows Doug how much we really need another CM in our team.

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SeaSeeEffCee · Aug 24, 2024

Torp seems to get a lot more leeway than some of the other players. A lot of ‘well he’ll come good eventually’ and ‘he’s clearly a class player’ based off very little.

SkyblueTexan · Aug 24, 2024

skybluecam said:
Most of this is far too reactionary.

Torp and Eccles can't play together though. They would both look a lot better playing alongside Sheaf, as he actually takes control of a game and dictates the tempo.

Hopefully a new midfielder comes in and Torp will have to fight his way back in.

I hope a new midfielder comes in. As for Torp fighting for the shirt, I don’t know if he will. Seems too lazy, is very slow, lacks aggression and awareness. Occasionally does a few good things when motivated, but largely anonymous. Palmer is the same although thankfully was motivated enough to score today.

Winny the Bish · Aug 25, 2024

Torp clearly doesn’t want to do the defensive graft. That’s not who he is.

But he didn’t do that before we signed him either. We should know that’s not where he’s best. He was the most advanced midfielder in a 4-3-3, playing a KDB/Odegaard style role. We signed him and immediately shoved him into a double pivot where he’s 20 yards deeper and with more defensive responsibilities than he’s had before.

coop · Aug 25, 2024

Torp was slow with the ball how much time does he think he has when they were closing us down from the start.Unfortunately doesn't look good enough we don't move the ball forward quick enough when teams are closing us down.

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 25, 2024

coop said:
Torp was slow with the ball how much time does he think he has when they were closing us down from the start.Unfortunately doesn't look good enough we don't move the ball forward quick enough when teams are closing us down.

It was Eccles who gave the ball away more in the first half. Nonetheless you’re right to point out that Torp wasn’t great.

We need Sheaf back and a CM signing by deadline day!

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 25, 2024

SeaSeeEffCee said:
Torp seems to get a lot more leeway than some of the other players. A lot of ‘well he’ll come good eventually’ and ‘he’s clearly a class player’ based off very little.

Maybe because players need more time than he’s had before being written off. Two seasons seems a fair length of time and I do realise in typing this I have broken my own rule more than once…

itsabuzzard · Aug 25, 2024

Matt smith said:
They both were very poor.

How many Torps have we got?

blunted · Aug 25, 2024

I really hope Torp is not a one season wonder. He was bang average apparently until a brilliant season at his old club before we bought him.
Adi (am I allowed to mention him) said his ultimate position will be as a forward behind the strikers.
I do think it is still too early to write him off. No one is quite rightly writing Rudoni off although he has been really poor away from home and seems to freeze when he gets near goal in a competitive match.

Frostie · Aug 25, 2024

blunted said:
Adi (am I allowed to mention him) said his ultimate position will be as a forward behind the strikers.

Actually, it was the opposite:

David O'Day · Aug 25, 2024

Skyblue_CP said:
Do us all a favour and give it abit of a rest mate I don’t know what’s worse, your obsession with the forwards costing money or the constant asking for a proper centre half.

i did enjoy when his "proper centre half" post of the day was mistakenly illustrated with a picture of a left back.

ptr · Aug 25, 2024

I think the biggest problem with Torp is he looks very similar to Eccles so I really don’t know who to moan at/curse. Luckily on Saturday, they were both shite.

shmmeee · Aug 25, 2024

ptr said:
I think the biggest problem with Torp is he looks very similar to Eccles so I really don’t know who to moan at/curse. Luckily on Saturday, they were both shite.

One number off as well cunning move to hide, but should have picked a more popular player.

Skybluedownunder · Aug 25, 2024

Just remember when Wright and Simms were written off when they first joined. I’m confident Torp will come good and I’m excited to see the player he could become. You can see some of the attributes are there but they aren’t all clicking yet, sometimes he frustrates me immensely but I think he will get there

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wingy · Aug 25, 2024

Skybluedownunder said:
Just remember when Wright and Simms were written off when they first joined. I’m confident Torp will come good and I’m excited to see the player he could become. You can see some of the attributes are there but they aren’t all clicking yet, sometimes he frustrates me immensely but I think he will get there

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I think you can see he gets frustrated, he has a picture in his head for where the ball should end up after his contribution, the next pass in the chain which never or seldom goes where he thinks,so probably a communication problem, not in the literal sense but more a problem of trust, probably both ways tbf!

napolimp · Aug 26, 2024

A lot of posts above ignoring the fact he's being asked to play in the wrong position, and can't do it. As mentioned, if you played him with Sheaf, and let him sit further up the pitch, he'd look good. He can't play as a deep lying midfielder.

This is more indicative of the fact that we haven't recruited the players we need for the system we're playing.

StrettoBoy · Aug 26, 2024

napolimp said:
A lot of posts above ignoring the fact he's being asked to play in the wrong position, and can't do it. As mentioned, if you played him with Sheaf, and let him sit further up the pitch, he'd look good. He can't play as a deep lying midfielder.

This is more indicative of the fact that we haven't recruited the players we need for the system we're playing.

I think that puts it in a nutshell.

Let’s give him a chance if and when he is playing in a position that suits him.

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 26, 2024

napolimp said:
A lot of posts above ignoring the fact he's being asked to play in the wrong position, and can't do it. As mentioned, if you played him with Sheaf, and let him sit further up the pitch, he'd look good. He can't play as a deep lying midfielder.

This is more indicative of the fact that we haven't recruited the players we need for the system we're playing.

His position is CM so he hasn’t got that excuse. This idea that he’s an AM is a projection of where fans think he should be playing. Even the AV quote said ‘he’s between a 6 and an 8’.

For the last 3-4 seasons, he’s played CM/DM more than AM.

He needs to start performing and it hasn’t been a strong start for Torp or Eccles.

Boicey · Aug 26, 2024

napolimp said:
A lot of posts above ignoring the fact he's being asked to play in the wrong position, and can't do it. As mentioned, if you played him with Sheaf, and let him sit further up the pitch, he'd look good. He can't play as a deep lying midfielder.

This is more indicative of the fact that we haven't recruited the players we need for the system we're playing.

I think that's a very generous take. Wherever he plays he has got to be quicker on the ball, want the ball and be more aggressive.

Viktor17 · Aug 26, 2024

Torp has also been here since January now, 9 months. It should be no surprise to him he’s got be quicker of thought etc.

alarm bells ringing for me if he can’t get that. (No doubting he’s technically very good, but sadly need more)

let’s see how he’s done by Xmas.

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