No future with SISU
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Sell it for a profit or run it to make money out of it. They will not fund the team, so it is 3rd tier football with them.
Sell it for a profit or run it to make money out of it. They will not fund the team, so it is 3rd tier football with them.Why can SISU not be trusted with the stadium?
What are they going to do with it?
Actually I said it was a mis use not an abuse there is a difference ....... and I made no premise at all about single issue candidates other than in this very specific case as it relates to GCBTR. It is others that are making the assumption I reject single issue candidates in general ..... a matter I have not actually commented on
Good questions and you are absolutely right to pick up on this.
Overall, Vote Them Out is a three-pronged campaign. Can we get people to stand?; Question your candidates about a Ricoh return; & demonstration at the council house on Sat 10 May (it will be sunny, honest.)
If we can get people to stand then we would formulate our manifesto with them and take input / feedback from others in the campaign.
We think that the best & quickest way to get the club back to the Ricoh (and away from an alternative venue / Sixfields hell) is for negotiations around owning the stadium. Definitely not just handing it over.
We're asking people to question candidates and vote accordingly. The council have presented a united front because all councillors have been pulled into line with the fear of legal action & the JR. We know that there are councillors on all sides who want to move things on but with Ann Lucas & John Blundell standing together it has been very hard. This campaign is designed to pressure democratically elected representatives to actually answer some questions about a Ricoh return rather than just hide.
Ultimately – and you only have to look at last week's court disclosures & Chris West's emails – it looks like the councillors are either being led by the executives or just not holding them to proper scrutiny.
Sell it for a profit or run it to make money out of it. They will not fund the team, so it is 3rd tier football with them.
Thank you for that round of applause, but like fisher you have got no idea what the fans are thinking, that is why he walked into a pub with city fans in it after they lost, very much like you have not relised SISU will only go if they know the fans will not go to northampton. That is why they are pissed off with KCIC and the Trust as SISU think they are the reason the gates are low at Sixfields. Well I have news for SISU the fans are never going to Sixfields.That's great then, pissing off SISU will sort everything out.
We measure a campaign's success by how much it pisses off SISU [round of applause]
Sell it to who for profit? Why has it not been sold for profit yet? Why has nobody offered to buy it?
Thank you for that round of applause, but like fisher you have got no idea what the fans are thinking, that is why he walked into a pub with city fans in it after they lost, very much like you have not relised SISU will only go if they know the fans will not go to northampton. That is why they are pissed off with KCIC and the Trust as SISU think they are the reason the gates are low at Sixfields. Well I have news for SISU the fans are never going to Sixfields.
The club offerd to buy it, but their offer was too low. No one else has tried to buy it as it has not been up for SALESell it to who for profit? Why has it not been sold for profit yet? Why has nobody offered to buy it?
Maybe Gendel, Torch and Co can get Joy elected she is already a patron saint of charities ?
It might be her best chance of getting her christian hands on the Ricoh !!!
The club offerd to buy it, but their offer was too low. No one else has tried to buy it as it has not been up for SALE
It is hard to comment on this without it coming across as a put down.....
.....So in summary Rob - good luck but this is not for me
Ultimately – and you only have to look at last week's court disclosures & Chris West's emails – it looks like the councillors are either being led by the executives or just not holding them to proper scrutiny.
Rob. I don't support your views in any way. You have set your stall out as anti CCC and the people of Coventry. You have determined guilt already.
Great, never been to Denmark. Just have to wait for the date I guess.It's in Denmark!!
Whereas you are clearly open minded about the whole thing.
Rob. I don't support your views in any way. You have set your stall out as anti CCC and the people of Coventry. You have determined guilt already. That last statement you made above is atrocious. You can say that only as you have no accountability or responsibility. I have no party allegiance, so have no axe to grind either way but on the evidence that is in domain today I fully support the CCC. I feel that 90% of the issue is SISU and the way they have attacked the issue.
If the JR emerges different evidence, then I will re-evaluate my stance. Until then, I hope your nonsense fails!!
Shmmeee, were you protesting at Watford at the last Bilderberg meeting? I'm planning on going to the next one of its in Europe.
So Fern, how about answering me that simple question instead of keep asking me more. Do you trust SISU?
I trust them with the stadium as much as I trust anybody else with it. I struggle to see why them owning the stadium is any worse than Coventry City Council owning it.
I read through the Skeleton Argument by Sisu to the Higgs Charity Case which Rob kindly distributed at the Sky Blue Trust Meeting on Monday.
Why is it we've still only had the SISU side of this? Is the Higgs side not going to be made public, if not does that imply that the SISU side was leaked and didn't come through an official release of court documents?
I trust them with the stadium as much as I trust anybody else with it. I struggle to see why them owning the stadium is any worse than Coventry City Council owning it.
I agree with this. I don't think SISU would be any better or worse than anyone else. To suggest the minute they signed a bit of paper they will be liquidating the club is ridiculous. I'm all for SISU getting the stadium - hey it would mean we'd be home - as long as CCC put some caveats in place. Can't see what the hysteria is all about really.
"We want the team home!" they all cry, "but we don't want the current owners getting it". Makes no sense to me.
I've got a lot of time for Rob, who I know as a thoroughly decent, likeable and intelligent chap.
However I can't see this as anything other than one-sided and anti-council, I note there's really nothing in there about how to pressure the owners.
I've read the SISU skeleton argument now, and there's certainly some very interesting stuff in there. The problem is that it is literally one side of the story, and as such is hardly likely to represent the entire truth.
I think it's quite proper that the council doesn't comment until after the JR. I understand that there may not be a strict legal reason why they won't, but given the antagonism and history it's clear that a single misguided or out of context comment will be jumped upon as potential evidence as the upcoming trial. Who could blame anyone for not wanting to talk under that pressure.
Personally I'd say that once the JR is done, then there's scope for this kind of action perhaps; but we need the whole truth out there before we draw judgement, surely.
(Fwiw, I also think it's a bit rich to accuse the Council of not being willing to answer questions when there's a court case pending, whilst our owners completely disregard all lines of enquiry with regard to the accounts or the location of the new stadium.)
I agree with this. I don't think SISU would be any better or worse than anyone else. To suggest the minute they signed a bit of paper they will be liquidating the club is ridiculous. I'm all for SISU getting the stadium - hey it would mean we'd be home - as long as CCC put some caveats in place. Can't see what the hysteria is all about really.
"We want the team home!" they all cry, "but we don't want the current owners getting it". Makes no sense to me.
Torch, out of interest what do you think of what is now the set kcic approach? It's taken time to evolve and is contrary to how some people want to pigeonhole kcic and I'd appreciate you view. The approach, as previously posted, is - the top priority is getting an immediate return to the Ricoh (not endlessly arguing about who is to blame); and the way to do this is by first putting pressure on sisu and its owner, Joy Seppala, to 'make the call' to ACL to say CCFC will return, and then if ACL are obstructive to put pressure on them. They can then have all the time in the word to agree a long-term solution while making things better for the team and fans by being at the ricoh not NTFC.
Out of curiosity, how would you feel about a Stanford Bridge type arrangement with it held in trust by a fans organisation (could be a new one specifically for that purpose, or made up of ST holders, whatever)?
Brilliant. I love these kind of posts.
Michael. Pressure should be put on both sides not just SISU. With our current situation, percentage of blame and constant "he said, she said" won't get us anywhere. A lot of pride needs to be swallowed on both sides and in my opinion (and just mine) ACL aren't likely to try too hard if they feel they have the moral high ground. An attitude of "let them come to us" isn't helpful.
ACL should also be encouraged to pick up the phone and speak directly to the club and not use the FL as an intermediary. And I don't agree that pressure should only be applied to ACL if they are "obstructive". From the start you are taking sides and halving your chance of success. Really it's not difficult to see why the Club isn't on best terms with your group.
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