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peaches and cream · Jan 9, 2020

smileycov said:
I think they will go down. Leicester are turning the corner, having won the last game. Saracens will rise, they have a strong side and with potentially 5 points per game available, should be in plus score within 2 games. Irish have beaten Wasps away so must be confident for the return. Wasps are really in a downward spiral. lets hope Worcester give them a tonking!!

big things happening at Saracens with the new chairman admitting they are still over the salary cap and that they have to address it now to bring them back in line but no real news on how they are going to do it but i would be very surprised if they a still down there come the end of the season, Leicester are playing better but will find it tough when they lose players for 6 weeks during the six nations, London Irish and Worcester will still be in the mix at the bottom as will Quinns and i'm not sure what is happening to Bristol as after a good start they are now in a bit of free fall, it will all depend on remaining games between Wasps, Leic, Quinns, Worc and Irish

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

I think there’s a limited knowledge on rugby being shown by a lot of people on this thread. I’ll return to this at the end of the season and hopefully I will have been totally wrong.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

CCFC54321 said:
However, London Irish beat wasps at the Ricoh this season already...

And Norwich have beaten Man City? Tranmere have beaten us?

chiefdave · Jan 9, 2020

peaches and cream said:
Leicester are playing better but will find it tough when they lose players for 6 weeks during the six nations,

The more I hear about the Premiership the bigger a farce it seems to be.

How can you have a competition to establish the best team when the best players are missing half the time. From what has been said on here Leicester struggled at the start of the season as their best players were at the World Cup. Now they're going to lose them again for the 6 Nations.

Then you've got only one club being relegated, and some people trying to stop even that and wasn't there some stitch up where prompted clubs don't get included in the CVC deal, the relegated club retains their share of that.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

chiefdave said:
The more I hear about the Premiership the bigger a farce it seems to be.

How can you have a competition to establish the best team when the best players are missing half the time. From what has been said on here Leicester struggled at the start of the season as their best players were at the World Cup. Now they're going to lose them again for the 6 Nations.

Then you've got only one club being relegated, and some people trying to stop even that and wasn't there some stitch up where prompted clubs don't get included in the CVC deal, the relegated club retains their share of that.

They have central contracts similar to cricket. The players effectively belong to their nation rather than the club, so much so, that a nation will limit the amount of club games a player can play

chiefdave · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
I think there’s a limited knowledge on rugby being shown by a lot of people on this thread. I’ll return to this at the end of the season and hopefully I will have been totally wrong.

Don't think anyone is suggesting they are guaranteed to go down or even that its impossible for them to go on a huge run and be unbeaten to the end of the season. Just that looking at their results, form and the current table to completely rule out any possibility of them being relegated seems odd.

How many times in football do we have months of hearing 'too good to go down' only for the inevitable relegation to follow.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

chiefdave said:
Don't think anyone is suggesting they are guaranteed to go down or even that its impossible for them to go on a huge run and be unbeaten to the end of the season. Just that looking at their results, form and the current table to completely rule out any possibility of them being relegated seems odd.

How many times in football do we have months of hearing 'too good to go down' only for the inevitable relegation to follow.

Numerous people are arguing with me because I said it’s unlikely wasps will go down and Irish are far more likely to go down. If you knew anything about rugby you wouldn’t disagree. I haven’t mentioned any guarantees

chiefdave · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
They have central contracts similar to cricket. The players effectively belong to their nation rather than the club, so much so, that a nation will limit the amount of club games a player can play

But county cricket isn't suggesting it can develop to worldwide status on a parallel with PL football with huge crowds turning up week in week out.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

chiefdave said:
But county cricket isn't suggesting it can develop to worldwide status on a parallel with PL football with huge crowds turning up week in week out.

We know this but that’s just the way it is. International rugby is the pinnacle and you will notice the reduction in crowds at club games when the six nations is on.

Kneeza · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
They have central contracts similar to cricket. The players effectively belong to their nation rather than the club, so much so, that a nation will limit the amount of club games a player can play

No they don't. Players are contracted to their clubs (as much as the RFU would prefer otherwise).

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

Kneeza said:
No they don't. Players are contracted to their clubs (as much as the RFU would prefer otherwise).

Apologies, I’m just basing it on Irish rugby which is what I know.

Grendel · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
Numerous people are arguing with me because I said it’s unlikely wasps will go down and Irish are far more likely to go down. If you knew anything about rugby you wouldn’t disagree. I haven’t mentioned any guarantees

I don’t but yes they are the obvious team to go as they have much smaller resources. I suppose the only thing to say is were Newcastle expected to go down instead of say Bristol or Worcester?

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

Grendel said:
I don’t but yes they are the obvious team to go as they have much smaller resources. I suppose the only thing to say is were Newcastle expected to go down instead of say Bristol or Worcester?

I suppose not but it was more of a possibility than Wasps going this year. Newcastle will bounce straight back and that is a certainty. Interesting that the same people who think wasps will go down, believe cov have a hope of promotion. It’s wishful thinking and that’s all.

OffenhamSkyBlue · Jan 9, 2020

Grendel said:
I don’t but yes they are the obvious team to go as they have much smaller resources. I suppose the only thing to say is were Newcastle expected to go down instead of say Bristol or Worcester?

Probably not, but they didn't perform, and Worcester had a fantastic end to the season. Bristol probably have more resources than Newcastle now they are owned by Stephen Lansdown and play at a decent stadium.

peaches and cream · Jan 9, 2020

SkyBlueCRJ said:
Surely if a side (regardless of the sport) continues on a bad run for half a season then that said side is in a relegation battle regardless of their quality on paper? Wasps may not go down this season - I can only take your word for it because I know little about the quality of the teams within their league - but at the minute the gap between Leicester and Wasps is closer than between Wasps and Harlequins. If their attitude is: 'there's a couple of worse sides in the league, lots of points still to play for so we'll be fine', then that level of arrogance could easily lead to their downfall. Case and point was Sunderland when they dropped from the Championship into League One. They need to get a grip with reality rather than cling onto their distorted view that they're a Rugby giant and play like they're in trouble because surrendering 17-0 leads and losing against 13 men isn't indicative of a top 6 side.

Another indication is that the games against Irish, Quins and Saints were close games that could of gone either way and apart from Exeter and Gloucester away they haven't been dismantled by anyone else, the likes of Irish, Worcester and Quins have taken some absolute tonkings, another fact is Wasps have played 4 away games at Exeter, Gloucester, Sale and Bristol, apart from Saracens and Northampton these will have been the hardest away games of the season

peaches and cream · Jan 9, 2020

CCFC54321 said:
However, London Irish beat wasps at the Ricoh this season already...

Wasps beat Bristol but doesn't mean they will finish above them

Grendel · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
I suppose not but it was more of a possibility than Wasps going this year. Newcastle will bounce straight back and that is a certainty. Interesting that the same people who think wasps will go down, believe cov have a hope of promotion. It’s wishful thinking and that’s all.

Yes it’s obvious Newcastle will go back it’s like having Man City in league two

shmmeee · Jan 9, 2020

peaches and cream said:
you are correct about the bonus point for 4 tries but incorrect about no points for losing if you lose but are within 7 points of the opposition you also get a losing bonus point.

What a weird sport.

peaches and cream · Jan 9, 2020

Kneeza said:
No they don't. Players are contracted to their clubs (as much as the RFU would prefer otherwise).

All PL clubs signed an agreement with the RFU that they would release selected players for England duty so while their contracts are owed by the clubs they actually don't have the ability to stop them going, this is one of the reasons clubs can 85k per England player as credits outside the salary cap to help them build a squad capable of competing whilst the six nations is being played

mr_monkey · Jan 9, 2020

peaches and cream said:
Another indication is that the games against Irish, Quins and Saints were close games that could of gone either way and apart from Exeter and Gloucester away they haven't been dismantled by anyone else, the likes of Irish, Worcester and Quins have taken some absolute tonkings, another fact is Wasps have played 4 away games at Exeter, Gloucester, Sale and Bristol, apart from Saracens and Northampton these will have been the hardest away games of the season

Aren't technically all your games away games

peaches and cream · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
They have central contracts similar to cricket. The players effectively belong to their nation rather than the club, so much so, that a nation will limit the amount of club games a player can play

Player welfare also dictates how much rugby each individual can participate in in a season this means that players that played in world cup matches are limited to how much club rugby they can play add six nation games to this and top stars like Sinkler, Farrel and Youngs that play almost every game could be limited to 7 or 8 club games this season

peaches and cream · Jan 9, 2020

mr_monkey said:
Aren't technically all your games away games

Quins Saracens and Irish are almost at home

OffenhamSkyBlue · Jan 9, 2020

Was reading the Wiki page about Wasps RFC's history, in which it explains how they split from Wasps FC (the historic ancestor, founded in 1867) at the start of the professional era. Wasps FC still exist as an amateur club, and play in Herts & Middlesex Division 1, and also still own 5% of Wasps RFC. More like AFC Wimbledon and MK Dons than even i realised!

smileycov · Jan 9, 2020

peaches and cream said:
you are correct about the bonus point for 4 tries but incorrect about no points for losing if you lose but are within 7 points of the opposition you also get a losing bonus point.

Yes, someone mentioned that earlier. I watch England Rugby Home and Away. Love the atmosphere and general experience. Im not an expert but have an interest.

smileycov · Jan 9, 2020

Kneeza said:
No they don't. Players are contracted to their clubs (as much as the RFU would prefer otherwise).

Cccfchoi87
"I think there’s a limited knowledge on rugby being shown by a lot of people on this thread. I’ll return to this at the end of the season and hopefully I will have been totally wrong"
Oh, the irony!!.

Kneeza · Jan 9, 2020

peaches and cream said:
All PL clubs signed an agreement with the RFU that they would release selected players for England duty so while their contracts are owed by the clubs they actually don't have the ability to stop them going, this is one of the reasons clubs can 85k per England player as credits outside the salary cap to help them build a squad capable of competing whilst the six nations is being played

Yes, I know, but the bald fact is that contracts aren't central.

covcity4life · Jan 9, 2020

smileycov said:
Why is it wishful thinking? We have a good chance of promotion, that surely is a fact?

newcastle are too strong, have or have close to a 100% record. they will be going up. But CRFC are doing very well for sure

dont need to be a rugby expert to no wasps are a candidate to get relegated though

smileycov · Jan 9, 2020

covcity4life said:
newcastle are too strong, have or have close to a 100% record. they will be going up. But CRFC are doing very well for sure

dont need to be a rugby expert to no wasps are a candidate to get relegated though

Bugger...he was on about the rugby team getting promotion lol!! DOH!

peaches and cream · Jan 9, 2020

Kneeza said:
Yes, I know, but the bald fact is that contracts aren't central.

I know they are and my post agrees with you by stating their contracts are owned by the clubs. England Rugby only has first choice of the players in the PL due to agreements made between the RFU and PLR and nothing contractually.

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

smileycov said:
Cccfchoi87
"I think there’s a limited knowledge on rugby being shown by a lot of people on this thread. I’ll return to this at the end of the season and hopefully I will have been totally wrong"
Oh, the irony!!.

Haha as I said I was going off Irish rugby! Anyway as peaches and cream has explained, it’s pretty much the same thing

smileycov · Jan 9, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
Haha as I said I was going off Irish rugby! Anyway as peaches and cream has explained, it’s pretty much the same thing

All good mate. I enjoy International rugby as I say, watch Coventry RU results.If they finish 3ed behind Cornish and Newcastle that would be brilliant. Could be a good sporting year for Cov!!

ccfchoi87 · Jan 9, 2020

smileycov said:
All good mate. I enjoy International rugby as I say, watch Coventry RU results.If they finish 3ed behind Cornish and Newcastle that would be brilliant. Could be a good sporting year for Cov!!

Would be an even better year if Wasps were to go down! We can only dream

Magwitch · Jan 9, 2020

Is this now an official Wasps website or just an overflow ?

SkyBlueCRJ · Jan 9, 2020

peaches and cream said:
Another indication is that the games against Irish, Quins and Saints were close games that could of gone either way and apart from Exeter and Gloucester away they haven't been dismantled by anyone else, the likes of Irish, Worcester and Quins have taken some absolute tonkings, another fact is Wasps have played 4 away games at Exeter, Gloucester, Sale and Bristol, apart from Saracens and Northampton these will have been the hardest away games of the season

I understand your point but the fact is though, those results still went the wrong way. Come the end of the season and whoever lies in the relegation spot will it really matter who took a battering and who didn't? All that'll matter are the points on the board. You're not going to get any medals for nearly winning or just falling short at the last hurdle so there's little purpose in glossing over your results as regardless of who took a tonking and who didn't, you still remain worse off than Worcester and Quins. Like I said I'm not in a position to say who will go down or who will avoid the drop but what does irk me is the fact that your fanbase is refusing to call it what it is, and that's a relegation battle.

David O'Day · Jan 9, 2020

Can we stop being nice about London Wasps, they and all who support them can fuck off. Sooner they go bust the better.

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