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But you'll likely care if SISU franchise you to Brum. Or what if MGI Fiduciary Services (Malta) (owners of Wasps and the Ricoh) franchise say Burnley to the Ricoh? Bigger town, more chance of staying in the PL if they play in Cov.
No idea why everyone seems so unhappy - for the record I don't care about franchising in rugby.
But wasn't that also the case when Worcester set up an academy in Coventry to syphon off best young talent, and nobody said a word?
Who's happy, really? The ones who are happy are spider-ricoh et al. Not me that's for sure.
I thought it was worth pointing out that you're all too quick to jump on a grendel or torch post. Less so for anyone else. Why is that?
But you'll likely care if SISU franchise you to Brum. Or what if MGI Fiduciary Services (Malta) (owners of Wasps and the Ricoh) franchise say Burnley to the Ricoh? Bigger town, more chance of staying in the PL if they play in Cov.
Worcester weren't muscling their way into the local football stadium though, were they?The plan is for Wasps to be one of the biggest players in European rugby. CRFC and third-tier. In footballing terms, that would be like comparing Chelsea with Bristol City. Yes, Coventry would always be the smaller relation in the relationship; but to pretend anything other than that is the case would be to defy logic. But wasn't that also the case when Worcester set up an academy in Coventry to syphon off best young talent, and nobody said a word?
You seem to forget that you broadcast your blinkered view with your regular KCiC mailings. And i still don't recall any criticism of the council.
The plan is for Wasps to be one of the biggest players in European rugby. CRFC and third-tier. In footballing terms, that would be like comparing Chelsea with Bristol City. Yes, Coventry would always be the smaller relation in the relationship; but to pretend anything other than that is the case would be to defy logic. But wasn't that also the case when Worcester set up an academy in Coventry to syphon off best young talent, and nobody said a word?
2012? Before the dispute even began... right then.
As for what I am going to do to fight for CCFC - I'll do what most fans should do in my opinion. I will go to every game I can, I will support my club irrespective of owner, manager, players or league we ply our trade in.
If we have to build a new ground and we do - I will go. I won't hide behind any excuses about location or owner or anything else. I won't bang on about how long i've supported CCFC for as if it gives me some hereditary right to consider myself a more superior supporter.
Whether you percieve that as being a good fan or not is of no concern to me. People might pander to your bullshit but I won't. I respect your commitment to CCFC but seriously disagree with your motive and agenda.
If it makes you happy to think I never criticised the council then you believe it but it's not true and I'm sure the very best way to fight for ccfc is to post endless stuff about the council.
Whilst I commend Nick Eastwood for trying to engage the local Rugby community, I still feel its like the big boys entertaining the local yokels, as its something they feel they have to do, just another tick in a box.
Whether that is the case or not, I hope they fail badly. We already have local Rugby teams in the area, who have long been established, without some London club muscling in for a piece of the action. Many may disagree but I really would love to see them fail, and do a double deal and bugger off with SISU.
Ah the bigger picture.....me, me, me
They hadn't made that clear, i feel ok now I know the bigger picture...
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The plan is for Wasps to be one of the biggest players in European rugby. CRFC and third-tier. In footballing terms, that would be like comparing Chelsea with Bristol City. Yes, Coventry would always be the smaller relation in the relationship; but to pretend anything other than that is the case would be to defy logic. But wasn't that also the case when Worcester set up an academy in Coventry to syphon off best young talent, and nobody said a word?
Don't totally disagree with you. But kinda do too. Coventry were a big club almost 40 years ago now. Rugby Lions were the last top flight club in the area, and that was early '90s - so 20+ years ago. However, the area has always produced talent - the likes of Cockerill, Back, Ford, Hamilton, who have all left the area to play top-flight rugby. Future players like that may now stay locally, and progress from junior clubs, through Coventry and then maybe onto Wasps. To think these players would stay and help Coventry back to the former times and not move on outside of the area without Wasps being around is unrealistic
The plan is for Wasps to be one of the biggest players in European rugby. CRFC and third-tier. In footballing terms, that would be like comparing Chelsea with Bristol City. Yes, Coventry would always be the smaller relation in the relationship; but to pretend anything other than that is the case would be to defy logic. But wasn't that also the case when Worcester set up an academy in Coventry to syphon off best young talent, and nobody said a word?
Worcester weren't muscling their way into the local football stadium though, were they?
No, there is a bigger picture beyond that; but why should I bother? You've probably already got your Fuzzy Felt chart of pre-prepared anti-council-rhetoric-stickers at the ready
Don't totally disagree with you. But kinda do too. Coventry were a big club almost 40 years ago now. Rugby Lions were the last top flight club in the area, and that was early '90s - so 20+ years ago. However, the area has always produced talent - the likes of Cockerill, Back, Ford, Hamilton, who have all left the area to play top-flight rugby. Future players like that may now stay locally, and progress from junior clubs, through Coventry and then maybe onto Wasps. To think these players would stay and help Coventry back to the former times and not move on outside of the area without Wasps being around is unrealistic
This arrangement guarantees Cov Rugby will permanently be the smaller rugby club in its own city. I'm no follower of rugby so wasn't aware of the Worcester arrangement which is just as insulting a set-up. What I want is for all the city's sports teams to succeed and that will not happen if local talent is sent elsewhere and it definitely will not happen with an imported franchise setting up shop here. The best attended rugby club in England, Saracens, can't even pull in 15,000 a week. It's pathetic.
Ah, so they're doing some politicking and you've bought it all hook, line and sink?
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The plan is for Wasps to be one of the biggest players in European rugby. CRFC and third-tier. In footballing terms, that would be like comparing Chelsea with Bristol City. Yes, Coventry would always be the smaller relation in the relationship; but to pretend anything other than that is the case would be to defy logic. But wasn't that also the case when Worcester set up an academy in Coventry to syphon off best young talent, and nobody said a word?
It already happens. Worcester established 6 (I recall) satellite academies earlier this year, so all 'talent' is routed in our area to them. One at Broadstreet, one in Warwick. It already happens. If anyone thinks that - right now - CRFC have the pick of our area's talent, they're wrong
So says the man posting endless posts about other posters. Ironic really as that also doesn't appear to be the best way to fight for CCFC either.
Just my opinion of course.
I was there to take a view; which you weren't. But you've still got one
What's getting to me is there is a real opportunity for some unity about the dire situation we are in and saying sisu-ccc-wasps-fl and anyone else you want to include are all harming ccfc and the only people who care are City fans. But instead, it's just the petty point scoring and rehash of the same old arguments and if fans aren't prepared to unite and fight then nobody else is going to do it for us
Eyebrows would be raised however if Chelsea suddenly set up in partnership with UWE. I get the point, but then there are always swings in sport. Not *that* many years ago (relatively speaking, anyway!) that Chelsea were on a par with Bristol City (both near bankrupt, for that matter!) and not *that* many years since Rugby could boast a top tier Rugby club. Not *that* many years ago Coventry weren't overly poor, and even less years since they spoke of buying into the top tier themselves...
I suppose lower budgets in Rugby suggest that clubs can grow (Exeter as an example?) with relatively little investment compared to football, but it's as much about cutting off their supply line, surely? Once Wasps are here, CRFC go from having little hope... to having to wait for Wasps to either succeed or fail.
Do take your point about the academy though, although that's as much a sop to trying to keep the current richest clubs up there (wasn't it the Worcester owner who wanted to protect from relegation to protect investments, or is my mind playing tricks and it was another of them?). The way Rugby Union goes, to me, risks losing it of much of its identity in this country, much as Rugby League. If it makes the national team stronger... dunno, tbh. There always seems to be a new way forward to follow, in any sport!
Edit: Yup, it was Duckworth: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8964666.stm
Are those arrangements permanent?
When all else fails use the "motive and agenda" line. Go on, enlighten me - what exactly is my motive and agenda?
What's getting to me is there is a real opportunity for some unity about the dire situation we are in and saying sisu-ccc-wasps-fl and anyone else you want to include are all harming ccfc and the only people who care are City fans. But instead, it's just the petty point scoring and rehash of the same old arguments and if fans aren't prepared to unite and fight then nobody else is going to do it for us
Up for review in 2016. My guess is that Wasps will work on the local clubs to curry favour with the RFU and get it changed; so that the supply route will be to Wasps; via Coventry and the joint player development
Whilst I completely agree with the unity sentiments Michael, I think the fans are so disenfranchised now as they see owners that are abysmal, and dont give a damn about the club, the Council clearly dont give a damn about the club, including the alleged CCFC supporting leader, and the Higgs clearly dont give a damn (although I can understand their position of just wanting shot of their share of the stadium) Add to this previous regimes that ran the club into the floor, mixed with a heady cocktail of shit football, and constant failure, then is it really surprising we are each others throats?
Well we are now to choose between seriously attempting to build a new ground or becoming a permanent pay packet for Wasps. Genuine question, which would you prefer?
Who has the final say on it? RFU? CRFC?
I don't disagree with much of what you say. I have many mixed views on this being a CRFC and Lions man. Do I like franchise sport and the idea of Coventry being a feeder-club? No. But I'm also a realist. Right now, the best local talent goes down to Worcester. Bloody Worcester, for God's sake. Do I prefer the idea of local talent staying here, helping Coventry and then going on to play top flight rugby in our city? Yes. But opinion two contradicts much of opinion one. I'm not saying I like all this. I don't. But I'll equally argue the pragmatic good against those intent on only seeing bad
IMO - both the motive and agenda are very similar to that of the Trust. You are giddy over the idea of fan ownership which you want to be a part of.
Along the way you and the Trust were virtually hanging out of the arse of anyone that could in some way make that happen.
Firstly Haskell who promised the world... and every time someone even mentions fan ownership you are all over it.
Also - you clearly hate SISU, and refuse to hold anyone else to account. You would hang off every word from Les Reid and Nikki Sinclaire until they stopped towing the party line.... now they are pariahs as far as you and the Trust are concerned.
You also allowed yourself (maybe with good intentions) to be involved in the farce with Hoffman and the rent deal. Your desire to either rid the club of SISU or invoke some kind of fan control impaired your judgement.
IMO - both the motive and agenda are very similar to that of the Trust. You are giddy over the idea of fan ownership which you want to be a part of.
Along the way you and the Trust were virtually hanging out of the arse of anyone that could in some way make that happen.
Firstly Haskell who promised the world... and every time someone even mentions fan ownership you are all over it.
Also - you clearly hate SISU, and refuse to hold anyone else to account. You would hang off every word from Les Reid and Nikki Sinclaire until they stopped towing the party line.... now they are pariahs as far as you and the Trust are concerned.
You also allowed yourself (maybe with good intentions) to be involved in the farce with Hoffman and the rent deal. Your desire to either rid the club of SISU or invoke some kind of fan control impaired your judgement.
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