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fernandopartridge · Jul 28, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
What a crock of shit. You really are a complete knob head with a superiority complex.

Have you got an inferiority complex, Tone?

skybluetony176 · Jul 28, 2016

CCFC said:
Why getting so offended? You asked for that one.

Not offended, just stating the obvious.

Anyone who thinks that someone who doesn't attend at least 70% of games is an armchair supporter or has a lack interest is a knob head with a superiority complex. Simple. If you go to one game a season you're a paying customer and therefore have earned the right to an opinion.

skybluetony176 · Jul 28, 2016

fernandopartridge said:
Have you got an inferiority complex, Tone?

Not at all. I think Grendull probably has. In my experience a superiority complex is usually a mask for an inferiority complex.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Not at all. I think Grendull probably has. In my experience a superiority complex is usually a mask for an inferiority complex.

Ok so what do you deduce is the optimal amount of games to attend that you think makes it justifiable to criticise a budget that is solely funded by supporters and player sales?

The Gentleman · Jul 28, 2016

Grendel said:
Ok so what do you deduce is the optimal amount of games to attend that you think makes it justifiable to criticise a budget that is solely funded by supporters and player sales?

However many games that supporter can afford to go to or however many games that supporter can get to because of other commitments such as work or family which are more important than the club. Now do you think you can stop being a prick or alternatively just fuck off?

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jul 28, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Not offended, just stating the obvious.

Anyone who thinks that someone who doesn't attend at least 70% of games is an armchair supporter or has a lack interest is a knob head with a superiority complex. Simple. If you go to one game a season you're a paying customer and therefore have earned the right to an opinion.

Ok, I just thought it was funny as you kept asking then lost your shit when he gave you an answer.

Kind of like a woman who keeps asking do I look fat in this and goes apeshit when someone answers something other than no.

Grendel · Jul 28, 2016

The Gentleman said:
However many games that supporter can afford to go to or however many games that supporter can get to because of other commitments such as work or family which are more important than the club. Now do you think you can stop being a prick or alternatively just fuck off?

Hello. You seem filled with angst just for a change.

Been let out of Broadmoor for a day?

Or slightly cheesed off as the missus has made you do the weekly shop at Aldi for a change?

skybluetony176 · Jul 28, 2016

Grendel said:
Ok so what do you deduce is the optimal amount of games to attend that you think makes it justifiable to criticise a budget that is solely funded by supporters and player sales?

You do what you can do. It's as simple as that. If you have no intention on going to a game ever then you'd have a point but if you intend on attending as many games as you can whether that means you attend one game a season or all games a season it don't matter and you getting all billy big balls about it don't make you any more dedicated than anyone else. Most likely means you just don't have as much going on in your life as others.

I go to as many games a season as I can. Usually that means every midweek game (regardless of competition) and 5 or 6 weekend games, sometimes more, sometimes less. I'm not precious about competition, opposition or form. I go when I can go.

The Gentleman · Jul 28, 2016

Grendel said:
Hello. You seem filled with angst just for a change.

Been let out of Broadmoor for a day?

Or slightly cheesed off as the missus has made you do the weekly shop at Aldi for a change?

Fuck me, that was you watching with the binoculars. You and Samo are a right pair aren't you. Did you see when I put the shopping into Waitrose bags too?

You cheeky bloody stalker you, you're a right little scamp!

Oh I think we're still waiting to see that Moscow visa Burger Boy and don't come back with a postcard of the Kremlin with Grendel woz ere on it.

skybluetony176 · Jul 28, 2016

CCFC said:
Ok, I just thought it was funny as you kept asking then lost your shit when he gave you an answer.

Kind of like a woman who keeps asking do I look fat in this and goes apeshit when someone answers something other than no.

Not at all. I just wanted to know how ridiculous Grendull was being. Presumably in his world if someone buys a single new car from the JLR range and they have an issue with it they're not allowed to complain as they haven't purchased 70% of the full range. That's the ridiculousness of the situation we're talking about here.

Grendel · Jul 29, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Not at all. I just wanted to know how ridiculous Grendull was being. Presumably in his world if someone buys a single new car from the JLR range and they have an issue with it they're not allowed to complain as they haven't purchased 70% of the full range. That's the ridiculousness of the situation we're talking about here.

That's an absurd analogy. Of course you could complain if you had a poor match day experience at the one game you go to.

You couldn't complain about the others you didn't. If someone complains about the quality of a car they don't own and have never sat in it do you think the manufacturer would take them seriously?

skybluetony176 · Jul 29, 2016

Grendel said:
That's an absurd analogy. Of course you could complain if you had a poor match day experience at the one game you go to.

You couldn't complain about the others you didn't. If someone complains about the quality of a car they don't own and have never sat in it do you think the manufacturer would take them seriously?

It's absurd but it's exactly what you were saying while feeling all superior about yourself. So it's just a mirror image of your own absurdity. What is it exactly that you're trying to compensate for in your life?

Sick Boy · Jul 29, 2016

marcusp said:
Im convinced sisu will carry on over the next couple of seasons selling players and just replacing with short term contracts and loans. This strips the clubs assets and saves money whilt preparing to cut their losses and leave us without a club or ground. They will walk away. Tm will have gone and we will be heading for oblivion

Which is completely different from the reality. How long was Jones' contract? Was he a free transfer?

Captain Dart · Jul 29, 2016

Sick Boy said:
Which is completely different from the reality. How long was Jones' contract? Was he a free transfer?

Jones is an asset to be sold, he won't be here in 4 years, lets hope he stays more than one season.

Deleted member 2477 · Jul 29, 2016

Grendel you really are a keyboard warrior arnt you. Little man being abusive behind a screen to others and always thinking you know best. Ive met several twats like you in my time and most usually end up either on their arse or living a very sad life.

Now trot along and enjoy your school holidays

Grendel · Jul 29, 2016

marcusp said:
Grendel you really are a keyboard warrior arnt you.

How would you describe yourself?

Grendel · Jul 29, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
It's absurd but it's exactly what you were saying while feeling all superior about yourself. So it's just a mirror image of your own absurdity. What is it exactly that you're trying to compensate for in your life?

I fail to see what this has to do with any superiority. It has nothing to do with being superior it is just very basic economics.

It was you who said the club will sell Jones as if that is a fault of the club. We know that the club keeps internal fees so the only reason it does it is to self-fund.

Its a cause and effect scenario and the cause if lack of revenue to maintain a competitive situation. So people who are contributing to the effect can hardly pass judgement.

I don't really see that as a particularly controversial statement

skybluetony176 · Jul 29, 2016

Grendel said:
I fail to see what this has to do with any superiority. It has nothing to do with being superior it is just very basic economics.

It was you who said the club will sell Jones as if that is a fault of the club. We know that the club keeps internal fees so the only reason it does it is to self-fund.

Its a cause and effect scenario and the cause if lack of revenue to maintain a competitive situation. So people who are contributing to the effect can hardly pass judgement.

I don't really see that as a particularly controversial statement

When did I say it was the fault of the club? I'm more than aware of economics for a league one club and the fact that selling players on is part of that. I wasn't laying fault at anyone. You were clearly to busy feeling all superior about yourself to read what I was actually saying.

I actually said I'm glad the club signed him on a four year contract as at least when we sell him it will help us get a decent price for once. That's praise, not blame.

You didn't see anything at all but when your head is stuck as far up your own arse as yours is that's hardly surprising.

Now. Back to my question. What is it exactly that you're trying to compensate for in your life.

Grendel · Jul 29, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
When did I say it was the fault of the club? I'm more than aware of economics for a league one club and the fact that selling players on is part of that. I wasn't laying fault at anyone. You were clearly to busy feeling all superior about yourself to read what I was actually saying.

I actually said I'm glad the club signed him on a four year contract as at least when we sell him it will help us get a decent price for once. That's praise, not blame.

You didn't see anything at all but when your head is stuck as far up your own arse as yours is that's hardly surprising.

Now. Back to my question. What is it exactly that you're trying to compensate for in your life.

I'm not compensating for anything. You just seem very angry about something very minor. Odd really - its not me that starting frothing up and ranting is it.

Otis · Jul 29, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Jones is an asset to be sold, he won't be here in 4 years, lets hope he stays more than one season.

Every player in professional football is an asset to be sold aren't they?

Nick · Jul 29, 2016

Otis said:
Every player in professional football is an asset to be sold aren't they?

No, only if it is SISU.

skybluetony176 · Jul 29, 2016

Grendel said:
I'm not compensating for anything. You just seem very angry about something very minor. Odd really - its not me that starting frothing up and ranting is it.

Frothing? I think you're the one who started frothing when you called me a lazy armchair supporter for suggesting that Jones would be sold long before his four years contract was up. You're frothing so much that you didn't bother reading by posts and didn't notice that I was actually praising the club not slating. You then turned into some sort of self imposed attendance police. All I've done is reply to you.

lewys33 · Jul 29, 2016

Just to bring the thread back on topic (slightly) .......... It genuinely baffles me how saying "there is enough land there for 2 academies" is a valid excuse for them to kick us out and bash sisu a bit more ......... Why don't Wasps build next to if there is enough room (there isn't).

Otis · Jul 29, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
Frothing? I think you're the one who started frothing when you called me a lazy armchair supporter for suggesting that Jones would be sold long before his four years contract was up. You're frothing so much that you didn't bother reading by posts and didn't notice that I was actually praising the club not slating. You then turned into some sort of self imposed attendance police. All I've done is reply to you.

The Attendance Police?

Am guessing that would be another one CA wouldn't think it worth turning up for.

Senior Vick from Alicante · Jul 29, 2016

IMO you dont need to be a supporter to have a right to express your views if you are aware of the facts about which you are talking. If were discussing the general state of the club in context of the modern game the majority of the facts are out their, commenting on team formation how ever would probably stretch the boundaries.

Captain Dart · Jul 29, 2016

Otis said:
Every player in professional football is an asset to be sold aren't they?

Well Reda wasn't

Jones in particular is, its pretty plain that the strategy of developing from the Academy has been largely abandoned, the strategy is now to buy scouted prospects with a bit of experience and give them first team exposure prior to selling them on. Nothing wrong with that, I just wish the management of SISU would be honest about the new direction.

I suspect SISU will launch a court case about the Academy next summer, there is a reason for insisting everything is in writing.

Nick · Jul 29, 2016

Captain Dart said:
Well Reda wasn't

Jones in particular is, its pretty plain that the strategy of developing from the Academy has been largely abandoned, the strategy is now to buy scouted prospects with a bit of experience and give them first team exposure prior to selling them on. Nothing wrong with that, I just wish the management of SISU would be honest about the new direction.

I suspect SISU will launch a court case about the Academy next summer, there is a reason for insisting everything is in writing.

There is also a reason they won't put it in writing also isn't there?

skybluetony176 · Jul 29, 2016

Nick said:
There is also a reason they won't put it in writing also isn't there?

There's no reason for not attending a meeting in person though.

Nick · Jul 29, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
There's no reason for not attending a meeting in person though.

Unless he thinks they can't offer anything and will just spin things from the meeting, hence asking for things in writing?

It's strange how people don't find it weird they won't put anything in writing.

Grendel · Jul 29, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
There's no reason for not attending a meeting in person though.

If there is no pre-read materials when requested absolutely there is unless there is an agreement to minute and publish those minutes afterwards

skybluetony176 · Jul 29, 2016

Nick said:
Unless he thinks they can't offer anything and will just spin things from the meeting, hence asking for things in writing?

It's strange how people don't find it weird they won't put anything in writing.

How's he going to know if he doesn't attend?

Someone else has already touched on it but given our owners litigious nature is it really that surprising?

Personally I wouldn't confirm anything in writing until there's a contract for all parties to sign. To obtain a contract agreement there must first be contract discussions, for there to be contract discussions people have to attend meetings not cancel them.

Grendel · Jul 29, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
How's he going to know if he doesn't attend?

Someone else has already touched on it but given our owners litigious nature is it really that surprising?

Personally I wouldn't confirm anything in writing until there's a contract for all parties to sign. To obtain a contract agreement there must first be contract discussions, for there to be contract discussions people have to attend meetings not cancel them.

Yes it is very surprising and given Wasps duplicity and PR I would insist on it

Captain Dart · Jul 29, 2016

lewys33 said:
Just to bring the thread back on topic (slightly) .......... It genuinely baffles me how saying "there is enough land there for 2 academies" is a valid excuse for them to kick us out and bash sisu a bit more ......... Why don't Wasps build next to if there is enough room (there isn't).

Search the Coventry planning portal for applications on Allard way between 1999 & 2004, there are some site plans there

R/2001/2637 22/12/2000 19/01/2001

Land Bounded By Railway Embankment And River Sowe And Allard Way Coventry Redevelopment of the site to include demolition and the creation of a football academy incorporating: indoor sports pitch; accommodation block; ancillary offices; gymnasium; changing facilities; and nine further pitches (3 of which for first team training); new car parking facilities; landscaping and foothpath diversion.

R/2002/0878 12/04/2002 12/04/2002

Land Bounded By Railway Embankment And River Sowe And Allard Way Coventry Redevelopment of site for the laying out of eight outdoor pitches with ancillary replacement indoor recreation provision (including indoor pitch and other community facilities), parking and environmental improvements.

skybluetony176 · Jul 29, 2016

Grendel said:
If there is no pre-read materials when requested absolutely there is unless there is an agreement to minute and publish those minutes afterwards

The pre read material is surely CA's email? Does he seriously expect commitments before they've sat down and discussed the finer detail?

Nick · Jul 29, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
How's he going to know if he doesn't attend?

Someone else has already touched on it but given our owners litigious nature is it really that surprising?

Personally I wouldn't confirm anything in writing until there's a contract for all parties to sign. To obtain a contract agreement there must first be contract discussions, for there to be contract discussions people have to attend meetings not cancel them.

Exactly, the litigous nature gives even more reason to do it in writing.

Let's not forget he had already been talking to csf about the higgs and wasps for the ricoh so something has happened with that?

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