Well Done SISU (1 Viewer)

ccfcway · Mar 31, 2012

Reduced the wage bill

Sold / released all the big time charlies

Kept faith with AT when some wanted him gone

Kept us financially viable

And there is a chance we will still end up in the same place as seasons gone by when we have invested a lot more money.

You deserve some of the credit

dongonzalos · Mar 31, 2012

Very interesting and controversial view point.

Otis · Mar 31, 2012

Sisu gambled and it might just come off. If it does they should thank their lucky stars!!!

Could quite so easily backfired and should have backfired. they deserve no credit whatsoever for gambling with our future in my opinion.

speedie87 · Mar 31, 2012

I think that proves how badly we have under achieved in recent seasons. Very annoying when you see lots of those under achieving players have ended up in the prem or are at top of championship and the manager is now an international manager.

I still blame ransom more than sisu

skybluelee · Mar 31, 2012

If we stay up it is in spite of SISU. They deserve a no credit whatsoever. They owe Thorn a fcking huge pay rise if he completes mission impossible.

Paxman II · Mar 31, 2012

ccfcway said:
Reduced the wage bill

Sold / released all the big time charlies

Kept faith with AT when some wanted him gone

Kept us financially viable

And there is a chance we will still end up in the same place as seasons gone by when we have invested a lot more money.

You deserve some of the credit

There is some merit in that perhaps. They probably thought we were heading for league 1 tbh. More a case of a little hindsight on their part and a lot of good fortune. But we have not survived yet.

skyblueinBaku · Mar 31, 2012

Sisu have not taken a gamble. They do not care one way or the other about CCFC. Today's result is all about the backbone and fighting spirit displayed by the players and team management. Never mind 'well done Sisu' - well done Sky Blues!! You did this despite Sisu, not because of any help you got from them.

Covstu · Mar 31, 2012

skybluelee said:
If we stay up it is in spite of SISU. They deserve a no credit whatsoever. They owe Thorn a fcking huge pay rise if he completes mission impossible.

Totally agree but to be fair when you look at clubs like Pompey, rangers etc living beyond their means we have been sensible but let's face it without Pompey taking their points hit we would be saying very different things right now.

scroobiustom · Mar 31, 2012

speedie87 said:
I still blame ransom more than sisu

Haha Ranson not Ransom, however, Ransom is more apt considering the hostage negotiations that seem to have taken place in boardroom over ownership of the club

dongonzalos · Mar 31, 2012

It is an interesting one. Oldskyblue changed my opinion of SISU a little bit on here I have to admit. I have to be honest if they are not sugar daddy type people then we as a football club will have to balance the books.

However where I think they gambled our future was the sale of the Juke.

We were in the bottom three. He was not only our top scorer but pretty much our only scorer. Are you telling me they would not have got the same or possibly more money for him in the summer?

4 months to wait?

I really dont understand that gamble. Initally I totally disgreed with his sale. Now I understand and accept it a bit more. However I totally disagree with the timing it did feel like they were trying to send us down. Saying that they still may..... and then how does the 750,000 - 1 million gained fromm the Juke compare to the loses of dropping a division?

TheParsonsHose · Mar 31, 2012

ccfcway said:
Reduced the wage bill

Sold / released all the big time charlies

Kept faith with AT when some wanted him gone

Kept us financially viable

And there is a chance we will still end up in the same place as seasons gone by when we have invested a lot more money.

You deserve some of the credit

No credit from me. We just need to stay up and they need to go.

pusbccfc · Mar 31, 2012

Bringing in 3 big loan signings!

Astute · Mar 31, 2012

pusbccfc said:
Bringing in 3 big loan signings!

Fat Freddie and who else?

CCFC123 · Mar 31, 2012

FUCKIN HELL.....Some on here think we have stayed up. Bloody dangerous comments on here and a bit blarsay in my opinion. If we do stay up and its a massive IF we stay up its in spite of everying SISU stand for.

Some people have short memories.

We haven't stayed up and if we do stay up and SISU are still holding on it's the same shite next season. Dont get to cocky.

Colonel Mustard · Mar 31, 2012

dongonzalos said:
Saying that they still may..... and then how does the 750,000 - 1 million gained fromm the Juke compare to the loses of dropping a division?

There's the rub. How else are we going to raise money without selling? There's no stadium to borrow against, no stadium from which to draw significant revenues. It's easy to say "spend in order to do X and Y", but everybody has to draw the line somewhere.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 31, 2012

Players came in purely because we let others out. Looking on the Brizzle forum the posts are full of resignation and anger at the team for not showing passion or desire for the fight-and the contrast could not be any starker with our own squad at the moment. Passion is a pre-requisite for surviving a relegation scrap; we seem to have that in abundance at the moment. Do Bristol? Going on their fans' verdicts, it would seem much the opposite.

dongonzalos · Mar 31, 2012

Colonel Mustard said:
There's the rub. How else are we going to raise money without selling? There's no stadium to borrow against, no stadium from which to draw significant revenues. It's easy to say "spend in order to do X and Y", but everybody has to draw the line somewhere.

In the rest of the post I accept that we have to sell. The question I asked was why not wait 4 months to try and maximise our chances of staying up. Then sell. Surely we could have waited 4 months. Thats where I feel they took a gamble.

cloughie · Mar 31, 2012

TheParsonsHose said:
No credit from me. We just need to stay up and they need to go.

spot on not a slither of credit from me

Colonel Mustard · Mar 31, 2012

dongonzalos said:
In the rest of the post I accept that we have to sell. The question I asked was why not wait 4 months to try and maximise our chances of staying up. Then sell. Surely we could have waited 4 months. Thats where I feel they took a gamble.

Clearly Juke's value would have diminished by the day. Had his price tag remained stable, then yes, any early sale would have been bewildering. It's these ups and downs you have to wrestle with and be decisive at the right moment. I think SISU got the crosshairs just about right with Juke, but wrong with the likes of Clingan, Westwood and Gunnarsson.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 31, 2012

Westwood going for nothing was unforgiveable-completely unforgiveable. I don't think we've got a price for Gunnar yet but you can bet it'll be way below what we could've got.

ccfcway · Mar 31, 2012

cloughie said:
spot on not a slither of credit from me

Yet we are crediting the guy that they employed to do the job ?

The CableGuy · Mar 31, 2012

Covstu said:
Totally agree but to be fair when you look at clubs like Pompey, rangers etc living beyond their means we have been sensible but let's face it without Pompey taking their points hit we would be saying very different things right now.

They cheated. Not for the 1st time, they had a unfair financial advantage over the rest of the league and they deserve their punishment.

Teams like City actually make an attempt to pay the Tax bill.

As for SISU, they deserve no credit. There's cutting costs and then there's taking the piss. They took the piss. They gambled with this club's future and its only today that it looks like they may get away with it (until next season perhaps?). They took the fans for granted and gave AT next to no-support, gagging him at fan forums while making a laughing stock of our club (Ken in the Dugout & Text-a-Sub anyone?).

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 31, 2012

They employed him because it was easy and cheap to do so, not because they thought he'd be a managerial genius. The fact we may stay up with him in charge would've been an after thought.

Colonel Mustard · Mar 31, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Westwood going for nothing was unforgiveable-completely unforgiveable. I don't think we've got a price for Gunnar yet but you can bet it'll be way below what we could've got.

Right. SISU need to determine a transfer policy and communicate it to the fans. Good players simply cannot be allowed to walk from the club - they need to be sold, and a portion of that money needs to be reinvested. Buy low, sell high. I'd like to believe that if that policy was clearly stated and implemented by the club, then the fans would actually be okay with a player sale now and then.

ccfcway · Mar 31, 2012

Colonel Mustard said:
Right. SISU need to determine a transfer policy and communicate it to the fans. Good players simply cannot be allowed to walk from the club - they need to be sold, and a portion of that money needs to be reinvested. Buy low, sell high. I'd like to believe that if that policy was clearly stated and implemented by the club, then the fans would actually be okay with a player sale now and then.

Should we have got rid of Clingan and Craine in Jan to get some money for them ?

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 31, 2012

Colonel Mustard said:
Right. SISU need to determine a transfer policy and communicate it to the fans. Good players simply cannot be allowed to walk from the club - they need to be sold, and a portion of that money needs to be reinvested. Buy low, sell high. I'd like to believe that if that policy was clearly stated and implemented by the club, then the fans would actually be okay with a player sale now and then.

Players being sold to bigger clubs is part and parcel of supporting anyone but the top sides, and even then there's no guarantees. I have no issue at all with SISU trying to make the club more sustainable, indeed I applaud them for it, but as you say, they have just gone way too far and taken the piss in the process. Reading between the lines of Fisher's quotes, it seems as though the new 'plan' is to use the academy as a conveyer belt for what you're suggesting-but why should fans have to second guess the intentions of the owners? They shouldn't, and that is where SISU have failed big time.

ccfcway · Mar 31, 2012

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Players being sold to bigger clubs is part and parcel of supporting anyone but the top sides, and even then there's no guarantees. I have no issue at all with SISU trying to make the club more sustainable, indeed I applaud them for it, but as you say, they have just gone way too far and taken the piss in the process. Reading between the lines of Fisher's quotes, it seems as though the new 'plan' is to use the academy as a conveyer belt for what you're suggesting-but why should fans have to second guess the intentions of the owners? They shouldn't, and that is where SISU have failed big time.

and yet there is every chance that we will end up spending millions less, but finishing in the same position, just above the drop zone in the championship

Colonel Mustard · Mar 31, 2012

ccfcway said:
Should we have got rid of Clingan and Craine in Jan to get some money for them ?

Clingan should have been sold a couple of windows ago when his value was high. I'm not sure of Cranie's contract status, but the main reason for selling Turner was precisely because he was an in-demand asset with guys like McPake, Cranie, Keogh, Cameron and Wood ready to step in. The price received for Turner was too low, but selling him then was a decent decision.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 31, 2012

ccfcway said:
and yet there is every chance that we will end up spending millions less, but finishing in the same position, just above the drop zone in the championship

I don't think anything I've said is in disagreement with that really-I'm a lot more critical of them for being so distant in the 4 and a half years they've been at the helm.

cloughie · Mar 31, 2012

ccfcway said:
Yet we are crediting the guy that they employed to do the job ?

It was Ranson who recomended him
as the shitsu advisor not shitsu thoughtful choice

ccfcway · Mar 31, 2012

cloughie said:
It was Ranson who recomended him
as the shitsu advisor not shitsu

Ranson reccomended Thorn as a manager ?, really ?

dongonzalos · Mar 31, 2012

Colonel Mustard said:
Clearly Juke's value would have diminished by the day. Had his price tag remained stable, then yes, any early sale would have been bewildering. It's these ups and downs you have to wrestle with and be decisive at the right moment. I think SISU got the crosshairs just about right with Juke, but wrong with the likes of Clingan, Westwood and Gunnarsson.

Especially when Westwood came out and said himself I want contract talks and want to extend my contract. That was with a year to go and SISU ignored him. Then tried to speak to him with 6 months to go.

I dont think Jukes value would have diminished to the extend of the potential cost of relegation. Juke IMO would have at least got 15 goals. A 22 year old target man hitting 15 goals for a bottom 4 club in the championship would command at least million at xmas or the summer. Possibly more in the summer as more clubs would be in a position to bid including those who were relegated. What I am not sure about is what was left on his contract?

Pigeon · Mar 31, 2012

:facepalm: Seriously. SISU did very well not resign a potential 20 + goals a season striker in King. Getting rid of some decent squad and first team players as well as fucked up loans on season tickets and the training ground. Oh yeah and also all the lies they told to the fans. I understand you point but they're not going to get any credit from me, the only credit goes to the players and coaching staff for defying the odds and not sending us down without a bloody good fight.

dongonzalos · Mar 31, 2012

ccfcway said:
Ranson reccomended Thorn as a manager ?, really ?

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...ventry-city-says-gary-hoffman-92746-29036508/

Colonel Mustard · Mar 31, 2012

dongonzalos said:
I dont think Jukes value would have diminished to the extend of the potential cost of relegation. Juke IMO would have at least got 15 goals. A 22 year old target man hitting 15 goals for a bottom 4 club in the championship would command at least million at xmas or the summer.

We received £1.3m for Juke. That price would likely halve by the summer as he was in the last year of his contract, and almost certainly lower than that if we were relegated. That's not including the wages that were also saved by selling him 6-18 months before contract expiry. You have to juggle those kinda numbers against the odds of staying up against the actual usefulness of a team including Juke, etc. As things turned out, the team was better for his sale - which should always be the case with a well-run transfer policy.

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