clint van damme
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even by your own high standards OSB58, that is an exceptional post.
even by your own high standards OSB58, that is an exceptional post.Boycott. Do you like me get fed up of all these judgemental protectors of your morals and principles? It would seem that by going to football matches means you lose those morals or principles and intelligence leaving you open to abuse from keyboard warriors who know better apparently.
NOPM fine if that is what you want to do that's your choice. Doesn't give you the right to impose your opinion on others or to sit in judgement or hurl abuse. If I go to a match it isn't to fund Sisu or for the great level of play (if only!) It is to spend time with family & friends sharing time together. The pleasure is from the people we are with not what is there to be watched, but Ccfc (the team) is important to us. No doubt there will be lectures about the financial impact of that etc but I think I might just understand the finances better than most. If I do not go it is because there is no enjoyment in it provided by the team not because of some moral principle against the owners.
Wembley. Choice between two things for me really.
- a "principle" that U21 teams should not be involved because it devalues what has been a largely low level competition and allows bigger teams to develop their players. Yet supporters are more than happy to have these youngsters in their team or play against every week in the league, developing bigger teams players and keeping their own youngsters out of their team. I don't like having the U21 teams in it but they are.
Or
- I can if we get there spend quality time with my lad watching our team at football's hallowed ground. He has never seen success with Ccfc I would love the chance to see him at Wembley. But that is what football is all about for me. Yes I love my city but it is the quality time with people I love or care about and value that is important.
So here is my over riding principle ...... family first. I don't have to justify or explain my morals or principles to others they are clear to those who matter to me and I am very happy, comfortable with that.
The decision to go to Wembley with my lad would take a nano second..... of course I would go
Boycott. Do you like me get fed up of all these judgemental protectors of your morals and principles? It would seem that by going to football matches means you lose those morals or principles and intelligence leaving you open to abuse from keyboard warriors who know better apparently.
NOPM fine if that is what you want to do that's your choice. Doesn't give you the right to impose your opinion on others or to sit in judgement or hurl abuse. If I go to a match it isn't to fund Sisu or for the great level of play (if only!) It is to spend time with family & friends sharing time together. The pleasure is from the people we are with not what is there to be watched, but Ccfc (the team) is important to us. No doubt there will be lectures about the financial impact of that etc but I think I might just understand the finances better than most. If I do not go it is because there is no enjoyment in it provided by the team not because of some moral principle against the owners.
Wembley. Choice between two things for me really.
- a "principle" that U21 teams should not be involved because it devalues what has been a largely low level competition and allows bigger teams to develop their players. Yet supporters are more than happy to have these youngsters in their team or play against every week in the league, developing bigger teams players and keeping their own youngsters out of their team. I don't like having the U21 teams in it but they are.
Or
- I can if we get there spend quality time with my lad watching our team at football's hallowed ground. He has never seen success with Ccfc I would love the chance to see him at Wembley. But that is what football is all about for me. Yes I love my city but it is the quality time with people I love or care about and value that is important.
So here is my over riding principle ...... family first. I don't have to justify or explain my morals or principles to others they are clear to those who matter to me and I am very happy, comfortable with that.
The decision to go to Wembley with my lad would take a nano second..... of course I would go
no greater credence at all. The point of the whole post is that be it to go or not go to NOPM or not NOPM it is a personal choice, and as such accusing either side of lacking morals principles on this forum or others is frankly something I find counter productive, childish and pretty pathetic. There are all sorts of claims made by both sides on both debates (Wembley & NOPM), mostly unsubstantiated and fanciful. I am fed up of people who I don't know, will probably never know or want to, being so damned judgemental.
Lets be clear what is put here is largely anonymous pixels on a screen. What is posted boils down to those who justify as some badge of loyalty attending to support the team , those that say NOPM and that is another badge of honour ........ and the vast majority of people who don't like the situation, want a solution, whose attendance is less and less guaranteed who because of the product are gradually fading away in terms of active support of anything to do with CCFC but are desperate to reignite something with a bit of success for the thing they actually , the Team. Strangely all sides love their team. In all that there are a few who have, do and will continue to actually do something to try to change things other than sit on their bums, or type pixels on a forum.
What you have is people on both sides of the attend/NOPM actually dividing the fan base because of their vitriol. Dividing a fan base when the one thing needed is unity. I have never been one for name calling and abuse whatever direction it comes from. I hope to try to be balanced and do my best not to be judgemental
The OP came on here saying we should boycott Wembley - I gave my opinion on that.
Other threads have argued for days about NOPM - I gave my opinion on that, its a choice but not one I think about much, I don't go often because I get no pleasure from it.
There are more important things in life than CCFC but if I can combine CCFC with those things then that's a win for me and mine. I am tempted to ask individuals on both sides of the NOPM debate what have you actually done other than sit there to resolve or get rid of SISU, what action have you taken or plan to take/organise, what is the plan forward. You I see a lot of shouting but very little else
Boycott. Do you like me get fed up of all these judgemental protectors of your morals and principles? It would seem that by going to football matches means you lose those morals or principles and intelligence leaving you open to abuse from keyboard warriors who know better apparently.
NOPM fine if that is what you want to do that's your choice. Doesn't give you the right to impose your opinion on others or to sit in judgement or hurl abuse. If I go to a match it isn't to fund Sisu or for the great level of play (if only!) It is to spend time with family & friends sharing time together. The pleasure is from the people we are with not what is there to be watched, but Ccfc (the team) is important to us. No doubt there will be lectures about the financial impact of that etc but I think I might just understand the finances better than most. If I do not go it is because there is no enjoyment in it provided by the team not because of some moral principle against the owners.
Wembley. Choice between two things for me really.
- a "principle" that U21 teams should not be involved because it devalues what has been a largely low level competition and allows bigger teams to develop their players. Yet supporters are more than happy to have these youngsters in their team or play against every week in the league, developing bigger teams players and keeping their own youngsters out of their team. I don't like having the U21 teams in it but they are.
Or
- I can if we get there spend quality time with my lad watching our team at football's hallowed ground. He has never seen success with Ccfc I would love the chance to see him at Wembley. But that is what football is all about for me. Yes I love my city but it is the quality time with people I love or care about and value that is important.
So here is my over riding principle ...... family first. I don't have to justify or explain my morals or principles to others they are clear to those who matter to me and I am very happy, comfortable with that.
The decision to go to Wembley with my lad would take a nano second..... of course I would go
kind of makes my point
glad you agree we are free to make a personal choice. You have explained yours and I honestly have no issue with that at all. I assume from that you would respect the choice of others who see it differently
Certainly, if they are lucky enough to get to Wembley and you wish to go. Enjoy the day.
That's fair enough. But why come on here telling everyone. Go tell your rugger bugger mates. I'm sure they'll be impressed.
"They" - says it all
The choice of the word wasn't a mistake. I'm disengaged with the football club while SISU are the owners.
Sure I follow them on the radio & I'll read what people are saying, but emotionally there's nothing left in the tank.
"They" - says it all
The choice of the word wasn't a mistake. I'm disengaged with the football club while SISU are the owners.
Sure I follow them on the radio & I'll read what people are saying, but emotionally there's nothing left in the tank.
What other pronoun is he meant to use in that situation?
No because he is talking about the people going to Wembley of which he is not. So 'we' would be completely inappropriate. Basically it's just Grendel on the wind up again. Yawn.
if they are lucky enough to get to Wembley
Fair enough...a lot of us have had a few wobbles recently. But if we get there nothing will stop me wanting to see my team at Wembley again...no matter the circumstances and no matter the competition.
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Any reason why I haven't been able to post for weeks and why the website keeps coming up with errors when I log in Nick? Or is it all because you disagree with what I say?
No, he is talking about CCFC.
Are you going to be posting on the match thread about the football this afternoon or just on here for the wind up again? yawn.
Sadly, you and Peeler seem to have missed that thread?
No issues with the site, what browser are you using? Try running ccleaner and trying it with Google Chrome.
It's only when I log in. It's fine when viewing. If only I could get on the match thread! Takes 10 mins to post a comment!
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