SkyBlueZack
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Bore off italia. It's always the same all sisus fault line. Move on.
Do you believe that Burton or Walsall have a top two budget? Mowbray has been given adequate funds to make a fist for promotion.
Burton, Walsall, Gillingham, Southend, Rochdale will all likely have lower budgets than us. Yeovil got promoted a few seasons back on less than half our budget this season, TM has more than adequate budget this season. He's had total control of the where those resources go, he's chosen the players not sisu.Who says it's adequate ..... Sisu ?
I look at it and it's all inexperienced youngsters, 'have beens' and loans.
Yes TM/MV bought the players, but they are having to shop at 'Pound Shop' rather than 'Sainsbury's'.
Who says it's adequate ..... Sisu ?
I look at it and it's all inexperienced youngsters, 'have beens' and loans.
Yes TM/MV bought the players, but they are having to shop at 'Pound Shop' rather than 'Sainsbury's'.
Bore off italia. It's always the same all sisus fault line. Move on.
Totally agree with Italiahorse on this one. As you say Tm has been given a workable budget. Both Burton and Walsall were lucky to have players who want to play for each other and the Club. This shower of prima donna's(Murphy) hits a good shot and stands there for 5 mins admiring it. Ricketts shouldn't even be playing "Walk Football" Cole, been over the hill for quite a few years now(Should be carrying a oxygen tank and mask on the pitch with him) As for Fleck.. The most overrated player at the Club. Hit a 60 yards pass perfectly, then follows it up with 5 more 60 yarders that couldn't hit a barn door. I think Arma has been played way out of position for at least 3 months Maddison hasn't wanted to know since his "Big signing to Norwich"... Martin, Stokes, Vincelot, and RCC are the only ones that seem to care about the Club. Very sad situation
Burton, Walsall, Gillingham, Southend, Rochdale will all likely have lower budgets than us. Yeovil got promoted a few seasons back on less than half our budget this season, TM has more than adequate budget this season. He's had total control of the where those resources go, he's chosen the players not sisu.
Sorry Italia but this second half of this season is entirely Mowbray's and the players fault not sisu's.
Every one in league one (unless you still receive parachute payments) shop in poundland.
Perhaps just isn't that good a manager.
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I look at it and it's been TM's choice. And he's infinitely more qualified to pick them than both you and I.
Incidentally where your argument falls down is where the other teams standout players have come from.
Tom Bradshaw - 50k from Shrewsbury when they were relegated to League 2 in 2014.
Bradley Dack - homegrown player for Gillingham
Romaine Sawyers -signed on a free having been released from West Brom
Lucas Akins - signed from Stevenage
It's amazing what you can get in the pound shop if you do a little research.
Totally agree with Italiahorse on this one. As you say Tm has been given a workable budget. Both Burton and Walsall were lucky to have players who want to play for each other and the Club. This shower of prima donna's(Murphy) hits a good shot and stands there for 5 mins admiring it. Ricketts shouldn't even be playing "Walk Football" Cole, been over the hill for quite a few years now(Should be carrying a oxygen tank and mask on the pitch with him) As for Fleck.. The most overrated player at the Club. Hit a 60 yards pass perfectly, then follows it up with 5 more 60 yarders that couldn't hit a barn door. I think Arma has been played way out of position for at least 3 months Maddison hasn't wanted to know since his "Big signing to Norwich"... Martin, Stokes, Vincelot, and RCC are the only ones that seem to care about the Club. Very sad situation
Seems TM should have opened his eyes to this one then
I accept that FP, but I still maintain tbr budget isnt the problem, and sisu cannot be blamed for the last 22 game debarcle. Also the similarities with what happened under Mowbray are alarming.In fairness, all of those teams were relatively settled, Gillingham finished last season well, Walsall weren't bad either. Burton on the crest of a promotion wave with a very settled side. We came from a relegation battle with a completely rebuilt side which then had a number of injury problems, we should see what happens next season.
Mowbray says it is, else he wouldn't have signedWho says it's adequate ..... Sisu ?
I look at it and it's all inexperienced youngsters, 'have beens' and loans.
Yes TM/MV bought the players, but they are having to shop at 'Pound Shop' rather than 'Sainsbury's'.
Do you believe that Burton or Walsall have a top two budget? Mowbray has been given adequate funds to make a fist for promotion.
I accept that FP, but I still maintain tbr budget isnt the problem, and sisu cannot be blamed for the last 22 game debarcle. Also the similarities with what happened under Mowbray are alarming.
With teams who have recently been in the Prem dropping into league one, its unrealistic for Italia to suggest that Mowbray should and needs be given a top 2 budget next year in order to stop the season dropping off as it has done.
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Burton are a team on the march, that happens from time to time and it's not always down to budget. Owners, managers (much to my suprise with Clough) and players have all been the right fit at the right time.
Dean Smith took years to get Walsall where they are on the budget available. He was given that time, something many on here don't want to give TM.
If we have a team has a mid table budget and had managed to spend over half the season in the top 6 I would say that the manager has made a good fist of it. Wouldn't you?
So you agree with Italia - but your following rationale pretty much contradicts it
Again it's how you look at it.
Sisu are working within budget and the budget is circa 8th for this league.
In theory they are therefore planning to finish 8th. Yes with a bit of luck/skill, as other teams people have quoted, you can do better (or worse).
But the underlining plan is to finish 8th. You can't 'expect' to give a manager a budget for 8th and then 'expect' promotion.
To plan for a promotion you need to finance it. Sisu, won't so people should not 'expect' it.
As next seasons budget will be the same as this seasons we can again expect to finish mid table again.
I therefore conclude that it 'is' Sisu's fault because they will not 'finance' promotion.
I suggest you read ALL of Italia's post first before jumping to conclusions mate. Loans, has beens and youngsters. SISU dropped the "Biggest Bo**ck of all by selling Maddison mid season when they should have waited till the end. This has deffinately upset his game no matter how much he says it won't. TM has got a little gem in Jobi Jones. A cracking winger with talent oozing everywhere. How long will it be before SISU sell him? I'll give it to the first transfer window next season
I suggest you read ALL of Italia's post first before jumping to conclusions mate. Loans, has beens and youngsters. SISU dropped the "Biggest Bo**ck of all by selling Maddison mid season when they should have waited till the end. This has deffinately upset his game no matter how much he says it won't. TM has got a little gem in Jobi Jones. A cracking winger with talent oozing everywhere. How long will it be before SISU sell him? I'll give it to the first transfer window next season
Won't we have to buy him first?
I don't disagree with you in essence - but TM had a budget much better than 'mid-table' and he has pretty much spent it as he wishes. To get us in such a good position and let it slide is shocking. TM is responsible, but so is his playing squad as well, and I don't think that sacking him is going to be of any benefit to the club. As you said it's worth taking the time to develop a settled and progressive squad.
In fairness, all of those teams were relatively settled, Gillingham finished last season well, Walsall weren't bad either. Burton on the crest of a promotion wave with a very settled side. We came from a relegation battle with a completely rebuilt side which then had a number of injury problems, we should see what happens next season.
I think(but not certain) we did.
Our budget is 8th? And where do you get that from?
People act as if Madison was messi before he was sold, not much has changed to be honest. Just now he has been sold more people notice his diving.I suggest you read ALL of Italia's post first before jumping to conclusions mate. Loans, has beens and youngsters. SISU dropped the "Biggest Bo**ck of all by selling Maddison mid season when they should have waited till the end. This has deffinately upset his game no matter how much he says it won't. TM has got a little gem in Jobi Jones. A cracking winger with talent oozing everywhere. How long will it be before SISU sell him? I'll give it to the first transfer window next season
We have haven't we?Won't we have to buy him first?
No, the deal is only agreed in principle for the summer, but I guess its up to us or Jones to pull out of that deal.We have haven't we?
No-one will have been able to compete with Wigans budget - that aside I bet our players budget is comfortable inside the top 6.
What you also need to remember is that not all that budget was spent on players, some was spent on Ryton, the team bus, backroom staff including setting up a scouting network that the club didn't have.
It's to easy to say his budget was X and Walsall's etc. budget was V therefore we should be doing better than them. TM had to stretch his budget further than the first team. Did Walsall etc.? I doubt it and if they did I doubt it even more that they had to stretch it to as many area's of the club as TM did. He wasn't rebuilding a team, he was rebuilding a club from the foundations up and that's a far bigger task by any stretch of the imagination. For all you know his actual available budget for players might actually be less than mid table not better than the mid table you have assumed it to be.
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