What attendances will we get at "shared" home grounds ? (3 Viewers)

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Apr 8, 2019

Here's my stab at a guess:
MK Dons Parasitic Bastards 1500
Burton 2000
Rugby 3000
Birmingham City 4500
Northampton 3000
Can't think of anywhere where we'd average more than 4,500. I'm not including away fans either. I'm basing all of this on a season similar to this one in terms of results . Can't be arsed with any other grounds as it's too depressing.
I bet Tim Fisher would have us down for no less than 10,000 anywhere.

Otis · Apr 8, 2019

4,500? Agree. Not 5,000 anywhere I don't think.

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Here's my stab at a guess:
MK Dons Parasitic Bastards 1500
Burton 2000
Rugby 3000
Birmingham City 4500
Northampton 3000
Can't think of anywhere where we'd average more than 4,500. I'm not including away fans either. I'm basing all of this on a season similar to this one in terms of results . Can't be arsed with any other grounds as it's too depressing.
I bet Tim Fisher would have us down for no less than 10,000 anywhere.

I think you can double most of those inc away fans. Why would we take 1500 to MK yet to 4 times that to MK away games in the past ?

The inertia / feeling this time is different.

More People will go either because they feel this time is different or because they feel there is no point fighting external factors and will just go and support the team

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon · Apr 8, 2019

Did the club subsidise travel or tickets previously? That would impact attendances but probably the playing budget also....which in turn would affect attendances!

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
Did the club subsidise travel or tickets previously? That would impact attendances but probably the playing budget also....which in turn would affect attendances!

no, it was very poor, despite being promised the opposite. I am sure they have learnt from that.

Throw on free coaches for the first 5 games and ask for a donation on the coach to the jimmy hill trust etc.

the owners should play on the good will they are winning this time

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon · Apr 8, 2019

ccfcway said:
no, it was very poor, despite being promised the opposite. I am sure they have learnt from that.

opportunity for them to learn from that.

Throw on free coaches for the first 5 games and ask for a donation on the coach to the jimmy hill trust etc.

the owners should play on the good will they are winning this time

To be honest id probably forgive them not doing so if there was some decent dialogue with the fans to explain what the money had gone towards instead. The lacks of comms from them in the past has been a large part of the toxic relationship. I very much agree that an offer to help with costs would be well received though.

Nick · Apr 8, 2019

Depends where it is.

I can see iFollow doing well.

Captain Dart · Apr 8, 2019

Nick said:
Depends where it is.

I can see iFollow doing well.

Are you getting a commission, the amount of time you are promoting it.

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Nick said:
Depends where it is.

I can see iFollow doing well.

this thread is bought to you by ifollow, the official "sky blues talk home game outside Coventry" sponsor

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
To be honest id probably forgive them not doing so if there was some decent dialogue with the fans to explain what the money had gone towards instead. The lacks of comms from them in the past has been a large part of the toxic relationship. I very much agree that an offer to help with costs would be well received though.

the money they will spend on coaches, they will save elsewhere surely ?. Police, match day staff etc

Nick · Apr 8, 2019

Captain Dart said:
Are you getting a commission, the amount of time you are promoting it.

Promoting people being able to watch their team, I know it's a weird concept to you being more interested in Cov Utd.

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon · Apr 8, 2019

ccfcway said:
the money they will spend on coaches, they will save elsewhere surely ?. Police, match day staff etc

Maybe. It would be difficult to know for sure but more ticket, merchandise and food sales would go some way to offsetting the costs yeah.

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
Maybe. It would be difficult to know for sure but more ticket, merchandise and food sales would go some way to offsetting the costs yeah.

suspect it will be more about the savings than the additional spends. Surely there are savings to be made in a 7k stadium than a 32k one ?

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Nick said:
Promoting people being able to watch their team, I know it's a weird concept to you being more interested in Cov Utd.

would be great if the club could negotiate with ifollow to legally be able to pay for "home" games. some revenue to be made

Nick · Apr 8, 2019

ccfcway said:
would be great if the club could negotiate with ifollow to legally be able to pay for "home" games. some revenue to be made

Doubt Sky would allow it

I reckon most of the pubs would get onto it though knowing there is more of a market.

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Nick said:
Doubt Sky would allow it

I reckon most of the pubs would get onto it though knowing there is more of a market.

think its wishful thinking.

11k goes down to 7-8k. Leaves 4,000 or 5,000 doing something else. most wont bother, some will watch football at home. There wont be much call for local screenings, especially if the pub could / would get into trouble for doing it

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon · Apr 8, 2019

ccfcway said:
suspect it will be more about the savings than the additional spends. Surely there are savings to be made in a 7k stadium than a 32k one ?

No idea tbh but it will be important whatever they decide to do, could have a major impact on any relationship they want with the fans.

Liquid Gold · Apr 8, 2019

I hope they crack down on people streaming ifollow over facebook depriving the club of revenue.

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon said:
No idea tbh but it will be important whatever they decide to do, could have a major impact on any relationship they want with the fans.

exactly. no doubt they will make savings. a real opportunity to get the fans behind the club if they play it right. Amazing, SISU keep getting opportunities to do the right thing with the fans. This will be another opportunity !

ccfcway · Apr 8, 2019

Liquid Gold said:
I hope they crack down on people streaming ifollow over facebook depriving the club of revenue.

your right, the club lose revenue. no where near as much as leaving Coventry and not having their own ground

Liquid Gold · Apr 8, 2019

ccfcway said:
your right, the club lose revenue. no where near as much as leaving Coventry and not having their own ground

When did we have our own ground? 2004? We make £100k a year from non ticket sales at the Ricoh whereas London Wasps make £2m form us. If we make a small portion of the non ticket sales income up we could be in a not to dissimilar position to now financially.

scottccfc · Apr 8, 2019

Didnt they do quite cheap season tickets last time

Legia Sky Blue · Apr 8, 2019

Don't know the maximum capacity feasible if it was Rugby but if it were say 6,000 I think we would pretty much sell that out.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Apr 8, 2019

ccfcway said:
I think you can double most of those inc away fans. Why would we take 1500 to MK yet to 4 times that to MK away games in the past ?

The inertia / feeling this time is different.

More People will go either because they feel this time is different or because they feel there is no point fighting external factors and will just go and support the team

We've taken two big followings to MK . One of them was a very good league attendance when we won 3-1. Then there was the F.A. cup match. We would have taken 8000 anywhere for that game given the round we were in. Between the two we took much less to a league game near the start of the season.

Magwitch · Apr 8, 2019

If we ground share it will cost us support and money and we can’t afford either and neither can sisu. It will also cost us the baulk of what looks like a team with potential, probably our manager too.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Apr 9, 2019

You're right Mags. It takes a long time to build up the infrastructure of the club on the playing side and the way it is being done under Robins all points to a possible promotion to the championship in the next 2-3 seasons.
If we groundshare with no prospect of a return (no deal, no stadium being built) Robins will walk and the whole structure will collapse overnight. This will be an absolute catastrophe for Coventry City FC. We might well be able to take a bigger share of matchday takings but there will be no one going to put the money in the coffers.

Nick · Apr 9, 2019

Magwitch said:
If we ground share it will cost us support and money and we can’t afford either and neither can sisu. It will also cost us the baulk of what looks like a team with potential, probably our manager too.

Do you mean SISU or CCFC? Seems you keep trying to mistake things.

SISU won't go bust from it or miss out.

skybluesam66 · Apr 9, 2019

the Season tickets last time dropped to £207 (£9 per game)
I think this season we are paying £350 ish in premium seats (£299 in standard)

I would certainly expect them to be no more than £299 in a different location

steve82 · Apr 9, 2019

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Here's my stab at a guess:
MK Dons Parasitic Bastards 1500
Burton 2000
Rugby 3000
Birmingham City 4500
Northampton 3000
Can't think of anywhere where we'd average more than 4,500. I'm not including away fans either. I'm basing all of this on a season similar to this one in terms of results . Can't be arsed with any other grounds as it's too depressing.
I bet Tim Fisher would have us down for no less than 10,000 anywhere.

I’d speculate on the following figures

MK Dons 2000 - 2500/5000 with away following
Northampton 3000/4500 - 5000/6300
Walsall 2500 - 3000/5000
Birmingham 3500/4500 - 4000/6000
Rugby or Nuneaton 2500-4000 - 5000

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rob9872 · Apr 9, 2019

If we're not going to get big crowds, is the Butts a possibility with some temporary seating? What could it realistically get to? Perhaps we could buy that and they could share the Ricoh with Wasps ….

steve82 · Apr 9, 2019

rob9872 said:
If we're not going to get big crowds, is the Butts a possibility with some temporary seating? What could it realistically get to? Perhaps we could buy that and they could share the Ricoh with Wasps ….

Not 100% but pretty sure a professional football ban was imposed on the stadium, make of that what you will.

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Captain Dart · Apr 9, 2019

steve82 said:
Not 100% but pretty sure a professional football ban was imposed on the stadium, make of that what you will.

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It wasn't, the Council wanted to put a clause to do so in the lease but the idea was rejected out of hand.

steve82 · Apr 9, 2019

Captain Dart said:
It wasn't, the Council wanted to put a clause to do so in the lease but the idea was rejected out of hand.

Ok. Cheers for that. Thought it was imposed

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Legia Sky Blue · Apr 9, 2019

steve82 said:
I’d speculate on the following figures

MK Dons 2000 - 2500/5000 with away following
Northampton 3000/4500 - 5000/7000
Walsall 2500 - 3000/5000
Birmingham 3500/4500 - 4000/6000
Rugby or Nuneaton 2500-4000 - 5000

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Why would more away fans go to Northampton than Birmingham? Northampton's maximum away capacity is 1,350 while St Andrews could fit up to 6,000 if needed.

steve82 · Apr 9, 2019

Legia Sky Blue said:
Why would more away fans go to Northampton than Birmingham? Northampton's maximum away capacity is 1,350 while St Andrews could fit up to 6,000 if needed.

You are correct, my error.
Was filling time during a meeting... I’ll tweak them figures

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