Grendel
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Not on transfer fees
Spent a ton of cash.
It’s more the number of times I’ve seen us passing it around at a pace that allows the opposition to get set and in position. By which point breaking them down or finding a killer pass/cross is much harder, so we end up passing side to side then either giving the ball away or taking a pot shot.
If you can get the ball up the field with more one/two touch passing you’ve got a much better chance of catching teams out of position with gaps and more obvious routes to goal to exploit. Unless you can find a Hamer type player who can get the ball up the pitch in even less time than that would take.
They don’t move the ball quicker than us - about the same imo. They play in a similar way in terms of being direct but not in a long ball sense. We’re at our best when we’re not intent on playing keep ball.
Their front wide players are quick and they have composed finishers / goalscorers not just in their first 11, in the squad. Play on the front foot, attack with speed and they have decent CB’s. They had a decent Jan window and rolled the dice and it worked out (unlike Hull) - fair play to the club for that ambition.
I think to follow suit, our wide full backs need to be willing to have a go a bit more (looking at you MVE) and for that we need a solid centre back pairing, a fairly settled team that understand each other and a bit more composure in the final third when playing that last pass.
Southampton did it 12 years ago and stayed put for over a decade.As with Ipswich-you have to have a certain amount of luck and they’ve had a massive share of deflected goals from long range shots.
Not taking anything away anything from their very astute coach or well drilled players.
And yes I have consistently said they’d fuck it up-couldn’t see how they could maintain it-stats back it up-only promoted club to do this.
Good luck to them and they’ll do a damn sight better than last years promoted teams….
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It’s been very obvious when our fullbacks have been told to hang back and not cross the halfway line-Man Utd first half etc..
Usually happens first half and second half full backs told to press higher.
Don’t know whether this a tactic or not but I’d like to see us unleash those full backs from the start.
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As with Ipswich-you have to have a certain amount of luck and they’ve had a massive share of deflected goals from long range shots.
Not taking anything away anything from their very astute coach or well drilled players.
And yes I have consistently said they’d fuck it up-couldn’t see how they could maintain it-stats back it up-only promoted club to do this.
Good luck to them and they’ll do a damn sight better than last years promoted teams….
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No, on wagesNot on transfer fees
That's maybe why both teams finished above them.Funnily enough, the Sunderland forum, who cover all televised games, were commenting on our recent game with Ipswich about how both teams get the ball forward far quicker than they do.
Too long and too slowThat's maybe why both teams finished above them.
Next season with EMC and Tats available, and at least 1 new striker I'd expect us to be more attacking than we have been of late.
We appear to have plenty of possession but take too long to get a quality ball into the box.
Nah. When was the last time one of them hired a young English manager based on lower league success?Quite simply they have a top coach. The players they have are mostly the same as their struggling days in League 1. I’m local and went a few times in league 1 with a STH brother in law, and it was garbage football. Players like Burns looked like league 1 was above his level.
McKenna will be a top 4 coach in a few years no doubt.
Irish I think?Nah. When was the last time one of them hired a young English manager based on lower league success?
Northern IrishIrish I think?
Yes and crucially we should be able to put fresh attacking legs on after 65 mins and the players coming are not a big reduction on the players coming off …That's maybe why both teams finished above them.
Next season with EMC and Tats available, and at least 1 new striker I'd expect us to be more attacking than we have been of late.
We appear to have plenty of possession but take too long to get a quality ball into the box.
Ah yeah, point remains though.Irish I think?
‘What did Ipswich get right?’
Mostly everything.
Nah. When was the last time one of them hired a young English manager based on lower league success?Not sure
Not sure about a top 4 club unless Ipswich do very well next season and stay up for 2/3 seasons. He has been linked with Brighton and Manure.
Imagine what Brian Clough would make of today's statistic infested world of footy , young man ?If you drill down into the data further, the attacking difference is that Ipswich had better patterns of play once they got into the penalty area which generated more touches and resulted in a Non-penalty xG of 70.0 (Ipswich) versus 57.2 (Coventry)
Passes into Penalty Area
Coventry - 383
Ipswich - 393
Carries into the Penalty Area
Coventry - 219
Ipswich - 246
Touches in the Penalty Area
Coventry - 972
Ipswich - 1171
Key Passes (Passes that directly lead to a Shot on Goal)
Coventry - 440
Ipswich - 536
Average Shooting Distance
Coventry - 17.5 yards
Ipswich - 16.9 yards
So, Coventry was getting to the opponent's penalty area nearly as often. However, they were not as efficient once inside the penalty area. Ipswich generated a lot more shots and from a closer distance.
Imagine what
The things to drill for Coventry for next season will be getting the ball to those "Man City Zones" where you can kill teams with pullbacks or driven balls across the face with a crashing striker or even just making that extra pass in the right moment.
The addition of EMS and a fully integrated Tats will help. Both just seem to excel even in a crowded box.
They also got some quality loans in. I have no idea why we didn't look for some good loans this season, could have made the differenceKept a team together and didn't sell their best players. Also improved in January with their signings.
Would FFP have prevented our manoeuvrability? We’ve committed almost all of the Hamer & Vik revenue on signings. We signing Torp and then EMC which we believed wouldn’t involve the loan back deal until the last minute.They also got some quality loans in. I have no idea why we didn't look for some good loans this season, could have made the difference
Momentum surely plays a part
Momentum surely plays a part
Ah yeah, point remains though.
Chelsea have been the closest to doing that with Lampard and Potter, neither was a success for any length of time.
Robins has been great for us but there is a reason premiership clubs haven’t and will never come in for him. He sets up wrong and negative too often, he doesnt change things quickly when they are going wrong and he starts with the wrong players so often.
Fair point.Hiring a manager from a Championship club just isn't in vogue for Premier League sides. Unless you are the one who brought them up, there just doesn't seem to be an appetite for Championship managers.
Don't believe there is a single manager in PL that was hired to their current position from a Championship club. They are all either former PL managers or foreign hires.
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