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Phoenix5555 · May 23, 2020

So 51% of the vote is needed to get either option of the vote through.
What happens if 11 teams vote ppg, 11 teams vote to play on and 1 team abstains?
In this scenario no one gets the majority.
I can picture this happening as a club like Gillingham, who still have half a chance of making the play offs don’t want to vote on ppg as they won’t make it it in, but they also don’t want to vote to carry on because it will cost them too much money for such a slim chance of success

Brylowes · May 23, 2020

Phoenix5555 said:
So 51% of the vote is needed to get either option of the vote through.
What happens if 11 teams vote ppg, 11 teams vote to play on and 1 team abstains?
In this scenario no one gets the majority.
I can picture this happening as a club like Gillingham, who still have half a chance of making the play offs don’t want to vote on ppg as they won’t make it it in, but they also don’t want to vote to carry on because it will cost them too much money for such a slim chance of success

But if they don’t want to vote to carry on as they cannot afford too ‘they will vote for PPG won’t they ?

Phoenix5555 · May 23, 2020

When neither option is a good one for them, they may just decide to choose not to vote either way

clint van damme · May 23, 2020

Brylowes said:
But if they don’t want to vote to carry on as they cannot afford too ‘they will vote for PPG won’t they ?

I'm not sure why any club would not have a preference either way to be honest.
How much money will clubs lose to play BCD when you factor in the cost of testing? (Do we know for sure clubs are picking up the bill for testing if play resumes?).

Brylowes · May 23, 2020

Phoenix5555 said:
When neither option is a good one for them, they may just decide to choose not to vote either way

If they’re position is best suited by not having to play any more games, surely
They will vote for an outcome that will see them not play anymore games.
Or am I missing something.

clint van damme · May 23, 2020

Brylowes said:
If they’re position is best suited by not having to play any more games, surely
They will vote for an outcome that will see them not play anymore games.
Or am I missing something.

that's how I read it.
If you've furloughed your players you've got to take them off furlough and potentially pay for testing before playing BCD games that will cost you money.
Unless you've got a chance of an automatic place, the play offs or survival I can't see why any team would vote to play on or abstain.

Phoenix5555 · May 23, 2020

In reality, the likelihood of this happening is small, but so was complete shut down of the leagues. I’m just throwing it out there as no one has spoken about it, but it is possible.
I’ve been to many agm’s where people have chosen not to vote as they don’t like the options given

clint van damme · May 23, 2020

Phoenix5555 said:
In reality, the likelihood of this happening is small, but so was complete shut down of the leagues. I’m just throwing it out there as no one has spoken about it, but it is possible.
I’ve been to many agm’s where people have chosen not to vote as they don’t like the options given

but what other options would these teams prefer? Null and void is off the table.

Phoenix5555 · May 23, 2020

I used Gillingham as an example, but maybe a team like Doncaster may be more feasible. They have every chance of making the play offs, or even automatics and they don’t want to be seen to the fans as not giving it a go, but they just can’t afford to take the risk.

no_loyalty · May 23, 2020

If a team says they are not voting, then the EFL need to impose a points deduction on them for next season.

Phoenix5555 · May 23, 2020

clint van damme said:
but what other options would these teams prefer? Null and void is off the table.

That’s kind of my point, with null and void off the table, no situation suits them so they just don’t vote.

standupforcity · May 23, 2020

EFL would have casting vote and vote for PPG!

Brylowes · May 23, 2020

Phoenix5555 said:
In reality, the likelihood of this happening is small, but so was complete shut down of the leagues. I’m just throwing it out there as no one has spoken about it, but it is possible.
I’ve been to many agm’s where people have chosen not to vote as they don’t like the options given

I just can’t see any scenario where an individual club would choose to abstain.
Every club will have a preference on the final outcome ‘though granted it’s a much tougher choice
For some than others, in fact some may well feel inclined to vote against their true feelings.
For most it will come down to the financials.

Brylowes · May 23, 2020

Phoenix5555 said:
That’s kind of my point, with null and void off the table, no situation suits them so they just don’t vote.

But they will have a preferred outcome ‘they may not like it’ but they will vote for
What’s best for their club.

ccfchoi87 · May 23, 2020

Phoenix5555 said:
I used Gillingham as an example, but maybe a team like Doncaster may be more feasible. They have every chance of making the play offs, or even automatics and they don’t want to be seen to the fans as not giving it a go, but they just can’t afford to take the risk.

It’s a secret vote so the fans would not know what they voted for. I would suggest Bolton, Southend or Tranmere are more likely to abstain in a desperate attempt for null and void.

win9nut · May 23, 2020

I would try and figure out the % chance of going up, (let’s say a team has a 10% chance of going up), then figure out the benefits of getting there, (was it £5m being floated?) so the maximum cost I’d be willing to risk to push for promotion would be £500k, plus the price of cutting the season short (refunding season tickets and repaying sponsors for example)

You can see why Peterborough, Sunderland and the like would want to push on if they view their chances at even 5% or more if they have lots of season ticket holders and sponsors (not to mention that pushing on would be the fairest solution providing the most sporting integrity if it weren’t for the financial position of other clubs.)

My opinion is obviously I’d like to play on, but as we are already as good as promoted, we should save our funds for next year.

Brylowes · May 23, 2020

ccfchoi87 said:
It’s a secret vote so the fans would not know what they voted for. I would suggest Bolton, Southend or Tranmere are more likely to abstain in a desperate attempt for null and void.

If they abstain they run the risk of having to play out the season ‘which would almost
Certainly result in financial ruin.
‘Null and Void‘ is so far off the fucking table it’s probably in a different time zone by now.

ccfchoi87 · May 23, 2020

Brylowes said:
If they abstain they run the risk of having to play out the season ‘which would almost
Certainly result in financial ruin.
‘Null and Void‘ is so far off the fucking table it’s probably in a different time zone by now.

I didn’t dispute that I just suggested it is likelier than Doncaster abstaining.

steve cooper · May 23, 2020

Phoenix5555 said:
So 51% of the vote is needed to get either option of the vote through.
What happens if 11 teams vote ppg, 11 teams vote to play on and 1 team abstains?
In this scenario no one gets the majority.
I can picture this happening as a club like Gillingham, who still have half a chance of making the play offs don’t want to vote on ppg as they won’t make it it in, but they also don’t want to vote to carry on because it will cost them too much money for such a slim chance of success

I don't think there is any chance ot will be a close vote.

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