What i want to know to be able to pick my side (2 Viewers)

[old westender]

My mates have been talking about this scenario happening for the last month so both side must have known the out come an think all fans are daft. what i want to know is would ACL do a deal which would include the stadium and if not would they then sell to other parties at less than they are asking from SISU ???

 

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[CCFC_GT]

The side all city fans should pick is CCFC, not SISU or ACL because in different ways they have both contributed to bringing us to this situation.

Anyone who thinks the blame is all on one side or the other has their head in the sand, and I really couldn't give a toss about who is most to blame.

Nothing will change unless CCC is prepared to allow a full sale of the Ricoh along with ALL the income streams to new investors (at a price that is reasonable), and I for one don't believe that will happen.

 

[Black6Osprey]

The side all city fans should pick is CCFC, not SISU or ACL because in different ways they have both contributed to bringing us to this situation.

Anyone who thinks the blame is all on one side or the other has their head in the sand, and I really couldn't give a toss about who is most to blame.

Nothing will change unless CCC is prepared to allow a full sale of the Ricoh along with ALL the income streams to new investors (at a price that is reasonable), and I for one don't believe that will happen.

Very true and I also don't believe the council will part with their share to anyone for a reasonable price or without ridiculous additional land development demands.

 

[deanocity3]

You only need to look around the city centre shops.Businesses are shutting shop because they can't afford the rent !!! is this down to the council i think so

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Yep, that's all you need to do...

 

[SkybluG]

If it comes to a straight choice between a) the sky blues going out of existence or b) the council sell acl to sisu at a fair price, which would the council choose?

 

[Tonylinc]

Oh my god.......You can't possibly be saying that a sale to Sisu would be worse than admin. Any sale to Sisu would be like throwing away the asset totally. They are utterly untrustworthy.

 

[SkybluG]

Didn't say admin. I said sky blues going out if existence

 

[CCFC_GT]

Oh my god.......You can't possibly be saying that a sale to Sisu would be worse than admin. Any sale to Sisu would be like throwing away the asset totally. They are utterly untrustworthy.

That's not what the OP said ...

 

[trotsky]

I must agree - whilst both sides have their faults, the issue is there is no trust between them - and Sisu has shown this in their cack-handed attempt to avoid and trump the ACL action - would you trust them to put the ownership of the ground to good use - the only good thing is they would sell - but at what cost...

 

[bamalamafizzfazz]

The guy from ACL made it clear that a sale to SISU would now not be likely as the trust is lost. Why do we think that any new owner might be given the same trust? This feels like it will never end...

 

[SkybluG]

Then sisu, from a business point if view, are right to take actions to get the tenancy ripped up and explore alternatives. The club simply isn't viable without owning the ground.

 

[Tonylinc]

Then sisu, from a business point if view, are right to take actions to get the tenancy ripped up and explore alternatives. The club simply isn't viable without owning the ground.

We all know that BUT would you sell to Sisu??? I certainly would not!

 

[SkybluG]

So if the other option was club going out of existence would u choose that instead

 

[Paxman II]

The Council have acted disingenuously from the get go it now appears as more information filters through.

The whole mess of setting up ACL was a mistake....why did they not negotiate a deal with the football club only?

Can't see how it is right for the stadium to still be in the hands of the council at all? (they own it, ACL rent it) and the council maintain a veto on approval of ownership? Who the hell do they think they are? They gave a lease to an operator who has carte blanche to sub lease facilities and gain profits at the expense of the footfall traffic that is the football clubs.

I had a nightclub in the 80's and there was a shop just next door and along came a guy who wanted to make it a late night food outlet. It was on the grounds, including my car park that I rented at enormous cost, though the lease was a separate one for the shop only. He simply wanted to trade of my customers for his own good fortune. I had to object to the landlords and got a court injunction which made me an instant enemy of the landlords. - The same goes here for ACL.

In defence of ACL the football club did have a 50% share of the lease but not all these alternate revenue streams with it. That share they sold back to Higgs as they desperately needed the money then (that was a glaring sign of things to come).

I've said before SISU have allowed this to come to a head as there is no alternate way of moving the football club forward without all the revenue streams the stadium generates from it's customer base. (not suggesting they get money from casino etc) I'm talking about what the stadium generates from a direct result of the foot traffic the football club generates. TBH if the football club owned the lease and not ACL they could theoretically ask for some slice of the take on match days from the likes of the casino and bars who receive a huge bump in trade on those days?
I'm sure a deal can be done which ensures far more of the revenue streams go to the football club. maybe all of it match days only? But how would that sit with Compass and others? Those contracts could be exclusive of match days. Compass operate only at other events not associated with the football club and on match days the football club could have their own arrangement with Compass?

There's many ways to skin a cat and ACL act like novices. having listened to Peter on the radio I did not find him convincing at all I'm afraid and lacked some basic handles on the situation surprisingly. He made it personal and that is never the route through business channels, never.