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What would it take to fill Sixfields? (4 Viewers)

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  • Start date Oct 15, 2013
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Covstu

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  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #36
skybluebal said:
SISU could move the club back to the Ricoh tomorrow if they wanted. It's sort of empty and available every Saturday ( and Tuesday and every other day!)
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Not when two school kids have taken their ball away and gone home.
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #37
RoboCCFC90 said:
I have been thinking about this a lot recently especially with a lot going on in my life, but with regards to the question I could see myself going to Sixfields IF there were concrete plans to move back to Coventry in the next 5 years, it is in my belief that this club will, however as we stand there has been no documented plans or model ideas, land hasn't even been purchased yet and with regards to the Ricoh we are no closer to negotiating a sensible deal for the Ricoh.

If SISU show the fans convincing plans to move back to Coventry within a few years, I will consider it.
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I agree, they have one season with most fans then that will start to impact on people attending games, standing on hills or just undecided about whether to carry on. If nothing comes out next season then alot will wash their hands with the club for good.
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #38
Covstu said:
Not when two school kids have taken their ball away and gone home.
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stop sulking, grow up and ask for it back then.
 
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cw36

Guest
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #39
Not even one to one time with Beth Ditto would get me there.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #40
Covstu said:
I agree, they have one season with most fans then that will start to impact on people attending games, standing on hills or just undecided about whether to carry on. If nothing comes out next season then alot will wash their hands with the club for good.
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Completely agree.
 

BrisbaneBronco

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #41
Its quite clear from the replies received so far, that the majority will not set foot in Sixfields.
Even if SISU agreed to purchase the Ricoh or showed proof of land purchase and plans for a new stadium.
Clearly, the majority want to see the end of SISU. Do you not think that there is more chance of SISU going, if the Club and the ground are united as one ?. IMO as soon as this happens SISU will be gone. As things stand at present, SISU have zero chance of selling. I doubt, that despite what SISU may say about funding for the next 3/5yrs, that this is possible on gates of 2000. In fact, there is a real chance of no CCFC in the next 12 months. When the accounts were issued for Otium, the auditor questioned whether we would survive past 12 months.
NOPM is working, its hitting SISU's finances, but it is killing CCFC.
Do the SISU out majority want our club to die? I don't.
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #42
BrisbaneBronco said:
NOPM is working, its hitting SISU's finances, but it is killing CCFC.
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no it's not. SISU is.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #43
BrisbaneBronco said:
Its quite clear from the replies received so far, that the majority will not set foot in Sixfields.
Even if SISU agreed to purchase the Ricoh or showed proof of land purchase and plans for a new stadium.
Clearly, the majority want to see the end of SISU. Do you not think that there is more chance of SISU going, if the Club and the ground are united as one ?. IMO as soon as this happens SISU will be gone. As things stand at present, SISU have zero chance of selling. I doubt, that despite what SISU may say about funding for the next 3/5yrs, that this is possible on gates of 2000. In fact, there is a real chance of no CCFC in the next 12 months. When the accounts were issued for Otium, the auditor questioned whether we would survive past 12 months.
NOPM is working, its hitting SISU's finances, but it is killing CCFC.
Do the SISU out majority want our club to die? I don't.
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i believe its shitsu who is killing the club not the shitsu out majority and not NOPM. for me NOPM is leverage in getting shisu out, much in the same way as CCFC is leverage to shitsu in aquiring the ricoh. if you cant beat them, join them. fight fire with fire etc etc.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #44
BrisbaneBronco said:
Its quite clear from the replies received so far, that the majority will not set foot in Sixfields.
Even if SISU agreed to purchase the Ricoh or showed proof of land purchase and plans for a new stadium.
Clearly, the majority want to see the end of SISU. Do you not think that there is more chance of SISU going, if the Club and the ground are united as one ?. IMO as soon as this happens SISU will be gone. As things stand at present, SISU have zero chance of selling. I doubt, that despite what SISU may say about funding for the next 3/5yrs, that this is possible on gates of 2000. In fact, there is a real chance of no CCFC in the next 12 months. When the accounts were issued for Otium, the auditor questioned whether we would survive past 12 months.
NOPM is working, its hitting SISU's finances, but it is killing CCFC.
Do the SISU out majority want our club to die? I don't.
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I want Sisu out as a priority.

However even if they left, and someone else come in and said we need a month to sort out moving back to the Ricoh, I still wouldn't go.

Regardless of who the owners are, it is wrong for CCFC to be playing in Northampton.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #45
BrisbaneBronco said:
Its quite clear from the replies received so far, that the majority will not set foot in Sixfields.
Even if SISU agreed to purchase the Ricoh or showed proof of land purchase and plans for a new stadium.
Clearly, the majority want to see the end of SISU. Do you not think that there is more chance of SISU going, if the Club and the ground are united as one ?. IMO as soon as this happens SISU will be gone. As things stand at present, SISU have zero chance of selling. I doubt, that despite what SISU may say about funding for the next 3/5yrs, that this is possible on gates of 2000. In fact, there is a real chance of no CCFC in the next 12 months. When the accounts were issued for Otium, the auditor questioned whether we would survive past 12 months.
NOPM is working, its hitting SISU's finances, but it is killing CCFC.
Do the SISU out majority want our club to die? I don't.
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You have to say what SISU have at the momentwith regards to an asset and a business is not worth selling, because it won't get the return that SISU are looking for, chuck the Ricoh in and the chance of SISU selling are greater however a) No one wants SISU to own the Ricoh, b) They have to purchase it a fair price which may push up the amount of money they're looking for, for the club.

SISU out should not be the priority though returning to Coventry is the most important first step.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #46
Isn't this like saying "Oh, the bully will leave you alone as soon as he gets your lunch money"?

It may be true, but it kind of missed the point.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #47
shmmeee said:
Isn't this like saying "Oh, the bully will leave you alone as soon as he gets your lunch money"?

It may be true, but it kind of missed the point.
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Inevitably there are to sides to every coin, so it's not a given that SISU would look to sell, however didn't Joy Seppala say they would sell at the right place?
 
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valiant15

New Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #48
Even if sisu were to get the Ricoh,exactly how much do you think the club and stadium etc are worth as a package?

Seppalla says she wants a return on her investment,so someone has got to pay her at least 60 million(she claims they've invested) and that figure doesn't even include the price that sisu would have to pay for the arena.

Who in there right mind is going to pay north of 60 million for a league 1 club even if it comes with the stadium? ?

There's premier league clubs that you could pick up cheaper than that.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #49
valiant15 said:
Even if sisu were to get the Ricoh,exactly how much do you think the club and stadium etc are worth as a package?

Seppalla says she wants a return on her investment,so someone has got to pay her at least 60 million(she claims they've invested) and that figure doesn't even include the price that sisu would have to pay for the arena.

Who in there right mind is going to pay north of 60 million for a league 1 club even if it comes with the stadium? ?

There's premier league clubs that you could pick up cheaper than that.
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I agree however that is the reason why they SISU aren't going anywhere.
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #50
RoboCCFC90 said:
I agree however that is the reason why they SISU aren't going anywhere.
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If they see no way of doing anything but sustaining losses year on year they'll go. We just have to stand firm, there are no quick fixes.
 
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Jonny

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #51
How many would go if we were to draw Northampton away in some sort of cup?
 
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SkyBlueBlood

Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #52
All this talk of a cup draw, what if we draw Nuneaton at "home" would we switch it to Nuneaton?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #53
RoboCCFC90 said:
Inevitably there are to sides to every coin, so it's not a given that SISU would look to sell, however didn't Joy Seppala say they would sell at the right place?
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Sorry have you quoted the right guy? Not sure what your point is in relation to giving Sisu the Ricoh.

I'm sure once she has what she wants she'll fuck off. Not sure how that's an argument to give her what she wants (see bully analogy).

The fact of the matter is she offered £5m for the Ricoh (which cost £113m to build without a viable business in it) AND wanted the £14m loan written off (so essentially she wanted paying £9m to take the Ricoh off their hands).

Are you saying we should do that deal if it means getting rid of Sisu?
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #54
Jack Griffin said:
If they see no way of doing anything but sustaining losses year on year they'll go. We just have to stand firm, there are no quick fixes.
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Agreed, but how can SISU get a return on their investment that they will want, there may be no quick fix, however I can't see SISU being gone just yet.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #55
shmmeee said:
Sorry have you quoted the right guy? Not sure what your point is in relation to giving Sisu the Ricoh.

I'm sure once she has what she wants she'll fuck off. Not sure how that's an argument to give her what she wants (see bully analogy).

The fact of the matter is she offered £5m for the Ricoh (which cost £113m to build without a viable business in it) AND wanted the £14m loan written off (so essentially she wanted paying £9m to take the Ricoh off their hands).

Are you saying we should do that deal if it means getting rid of Sisu?
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I do, if it means getting rid of SISU quicker then it should be explored, remember getting rid of SISU means that it is likely the club can be reunited with the Ricoh.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #56
RoboCCFC90 said:
I do, if it means getting rid of SISU quicker then it should be explored, remember getting rid of SISU means that it is likely the club can be reunited with the Ricoh.
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This is where I get murky to be honest.

Is it worth the City I was born in losing out and someone I find morally reprehensible profiting so that my football club isn't harmed.

I was always taught you don't negotiate with terrorists and that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. That's why I'm personally more comfortable waiting for them to give up or liquidate. But I can understand both sides.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #57
RoboCCFC90 said:
I do, if it means getting rid of SISU quicker then it should be explored, remember getting rid of SISU means that it is likely the club can be reunited with the Ricoh.
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Small point of order. The club have no means or intention of buying or building any stadium. Sisu/JS does. Don't think that by selling them the stadium it will unite it with the club.
 

ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #58
Wrong thread, move along
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #59
shmmeee said:
Small point of order. The club have no means or intention of buying or building any stadium. Sisu/JS does. Don't think that by selling them the stadium it will unite it with the club.
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the amount of people that are assuming that is terrifying, the fact the timmy has been quoted saying "its too early to make that decision" when posed with the question about who will the stadium belong too should scream alarm bells in everyone's head. that's the sort of statement that should make you assume the worst case scenario not the best.

if anyone doesn't agree with me you need to let me know you're account number, pin number, mothers maiden name and the 3digit security code from the back of your card. i have just discovered you have won millions on the Nigerian lottery (you know, the 1 you didn't enter) and i will send you the funds once you have sent me £ 1,000.00 to cover the admin cost and no we cant take it out of your winnings.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #60
shmmeee said:
This is where I get murky to be honest.

Is it worth the City I was born in losing out and someone I find morally reprehensible profiting so that my football club isn't harmed.

I was always taught you don't negotiate with terrorists and that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. That's why I'm personally more comfortable waiting for them to give up or liquidate. But I can understand both sides.
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Were you comfortable when the club had their back against the wall years ago seeing the city you were born in hammer the club you love with a huge rent deal knowing that they had no option but to take it?
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #61
Nick said:
Were you comfortable when the club had their back against the wall years ago seeing the city you were born in hammer the club you love with a huge rent deal knowing that they had no option but to take it?
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they did have an option, it was not to pay it
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #62
Nick said:
Were you comfortable when the club had their back against the wall years ago seeing the city you were born in hammer the club you love with a huge rent deal knowing that they had no option but to take it?
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Could you develop that 'no option' point please? I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. There are always other options.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #63
bigfatronssba said:
Could you develop that 'no option' point please? I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. There are always other options.
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What other options did we have back when the rent was agreed?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #64
Nick said:
Were you comfortable when the club had their back against the wall years ago seeing the city you were born in hammer the club you love with a huge rent deal knowing that they had no option but to take it?
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no one was comfortable with it once we all worked out what a bad deal it was. But that is behind the club now, its no longer a threat. Shitsu on the other hand are. it serves no purpose to the future of the club to keep banging a drum that has no skin on it.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #65
Nick said:
What other options did we have back when the rent was agreed?
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Move to Northampton ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #66
skybluetony176 said:
no one was comfortable with it once we all worked out what a bad deal it was. But that is behind the club now, its no longer a threat. Shitsu on the other hand are. it serves no purpose to the future of the club to keep banging a drum that has no skin on it.
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My point was that sisu are terrorists for holding the club to ransom but the council and acl did the same back then but it's ok?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #67
Nick said:
What other options did we have back when the rent was agreed?
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Buy Highfield Road back.

Go into admin still owning half the Ricoh project.

Explain to the council (and make it know to the public) that the rent would need to be set low.

Except the offer of a sliding scale rent.

When the Ricoh first opened no one knew how successful it would be and they had construction costs to pay off.

Who would you have had covering the shortfall?
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #68
bigfatronssba said:
Buy Highfield Road back.

Go into admin still owning half the Ricoh project.

Explain to the council (and make it know to the public) that the rent would need to be set low.

Except the offer of a sliding scale rent.

When the Ricoh first opened no one knew how successful it would be and they had construction costs to pay off.

Who would you have had covering the shortfall?
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or speak to the FL about leaving Coventry
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #69
Nick said:
My point was that sisu are terrorists for holding the club to ransom but the council and acl did the same back then but it's ok?
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No its not OK, but it is done and dusted. Shitsu are still terrorising us. to keep shouting and screaming at ACL is akin to sending bombers to Dresden tonight. ITS DONE, ITS DUSTED. save your energy for fighting the current and real threat that is our own owners.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 15, 2013
  • #70
skybluetony176 said:
No its not OK, but it is done and dusted. Shitsu are still terrorising us. to keep shouting and screaming at ACL is akin to sending bombers to Dresden tonight. ITS DONE, ITS DUSTED. save your energy for fighting the current and real threat that is our own owners.
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Yes but surely the past has some part to play in the situation we find our selves in now? It is all well and good saying it is the past and to forget it, but it did have a big impact on the club.
 
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