What you going to do (4 Viewers)

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

What are all the sisu out brigade going to do and moan about if we get some loan players in?
Not so long ago all I read on here was juke's going,sammy's going etc etc.
So im just interested what you going to moan about if we do get some loan players in?
Will it be well he's shit I wanted messi?
Will it be we only got him becase no-one else wanted him he's shit?
Still don't beleive sisu/ccfc got him juke/sammy must be going?
Or is it in fact that you just like a good old moan and you will find any excuse to have a good old moan no matter what it's about?
Were CCFC no bottom/middle table prem team we are where we should be and that's it, were no club of stature or any boy hoods dream of a club wanting to play for us, maybe the players just don't want/wanted to play for us and wanted to go, do not want to play for us.
Oh hang on thats ken and sisu's fault.

kg82 · Sep 6, 2011

Erm, let's just hold it a second before belittling others ideas of how our club should be run. It's not all going to change over night and unless SISU start showing some ambition, however little, then people are going to hold them low down in their esteem. So they've brought in Cody McDonald, step in the right direction but lets not be a typical, fickle football fan and blow hot and cold from one day to the next.

And this is an argument I hate - "they get someone in and you want Messi". Nope, don't want Messi, want some signings though. You're going on their word, I'll go by their actions.

howzer · Sep 6, 2011

not a premier club? er in the mindset of fans over 25 we are, over 30 years in the top flight gives credence to the thought, the club is a premier club, the gorund is a premier ground, and on paper we have had times when really we had a team to go up, but the players have always failed the fans since being relegated. it is the players that arent premier league standard. what worries me is the likes of sheff wed and charlton in the league 1 and others, there are some big ex prem sides simply living in that league and looking settled!! we could become like that. If we do go down this season i can tell you what i think, we will be there for a long time, and i dont think we will be able to play in the ricoh .. we just wont be able to afford it.. crowds of 5 thousand every game.. they wont be able to pay the rent on it. So these Loan players and we need at least 3 in and none out, well they better be good

procdoc · Sep 6, 2011

sorry for still not believing everything SISU tells me you fanboy. They were so generous buying us a Norwich reserve team striker and I feel so grateful they didn't rip our thin squad even further apart by selling our only other saleable assets, until January that is

kg82 · Sep 6, 2011

I don't remember a season apart from the very first one where we've had a team capable of promotion. And that first season was blighted by poor management at first and behind the scenes turmoil. Closest we've come since was when Wise was in the team, but they weren't capable of promotion at that time and needed a full season together, which they didn't get.

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

no need for names there prodoc (low if you have to do that) just because I don't look at everything negative doesn't make me a 'fanboy' what ever that is.
Also I have supported cov for 40+ years so know what the prem etc was like so know what its like howzer.
kg82 Not belittleing others ideas, however if you feel I am how about the way a lot of sisu out members talk and try and belittle others ideas because they don't follow the trend as prodoc has just proved?

kg82 · Sep 6, 2011

2 wrongs don't make a right, don't follow the crowd etc etc

Saying things like "oh hold on that's ken and sisu's fault" is belittling by the way. Like I said, you go on words, I'll go by actions. If they show that they're trying to change it round and get a few decent loan signings in then fair enough, they're keeping to their words.

Walking Bird · Sep 6, 2011

A you say "If" SISU get dome loans in. I seem to remember them saying we're going to get loans in last season.
I know they've made a big play of keeping Juke but i'm not entirely convinced that the story would have been the same had Parkin signed.

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

Don't go on words, but I am willing to wait and see what happens, and people do say all the time ken and sisu's fault so I am not making that up.
Ken has not said much for a while so maybe they are trying to address some issues?
A lot happened when RR and hoff were here as well but hoff became the saviour for some.
I fully appreciate that some are angry and are loyal to the cause but there are a lot who just follow the crowd, and I just have a differant way of looking at things.

procdoc · Sep 6, 2011

in my opinion you must be a sisu fanboy, it's not an insult, just an observation of anyone that would stick up for such clearly awful owners. Surely you don't believe their usual bullshit statements do you?

Bennets Afro · Sep 6, 2011

For me if loans come in then it is all about the quality of loan player.
I don't want a kid fresh out the youth team who is not gonna give us anything more than we already have.
I don't like SISU and they have promised loans and this is how I will judge them. Quality not quantity!!!!

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

Not sticking up for them prodoc (you can see iit how you want to see it, thats fine).
I just see unfortunatly there is no alternative to them, admin would be a disaster in my opinion as we are not guaranteed anyone would buy us, and no one to my knowledge is trying to buy us, so I just don't see how sisu leaving would help us, but while they are here we have a club to follow, might not be what we want but we do have a club and were not in the 1st division and not relegated.
We may get loans in and I just wanted to know what happens then witth the some more passionate than others sisu out and whats the alternative as far as they can see?
Maybe yes I could have started this thread better than I did and there was no offence intended or belittleing of peoples views intended.

SydneySkyBlue · Sep 6, 2011

I'll admit that I was pleasantly surprised that only one of our assets was sold this time round.

The problem is that an asset was still sold though. The only way I will ever believe we are progressing under SISU again is if we have clearly signed a player with funds they have provided (without selling one at the same time).

They got away with it this time because luckily for them we had a surplus of central defenders and so they could do it without causing too much harm to the first team.

January's transfer window should answer all our questions.

kg82 · Sep 6, 2011

GinettasStickySofa said:
January's transfer window should answer all our questions.

This is what I'm worried about. Clingan and Cranie for a start.

SydneySkyBlue · Sep 6, 2011

kg82 said:
This is what I'm worried about. Clingan and Cranie for a start.

Yes and with Clingan's contract being up in the summer they already have a ready-made excuse.

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

But if he does not want to sign a new contract what can be done?
So although not ideal would it have not been best to try and sell him and use any monies from the sale to have bought in some replacements, or if possible sell him in january to try and get replacements in.

SydneySkyBlue · Sep 6, 2011

Obviously if he doesn't want to sign a contract and we have a substantial offer then that is understandable. My concern would be how much effort we actually went to get him to sign a deal and what offer was actually put on the table. If it's a derisory offer then who can blame him?

Ideally you want stability in your team, not having to chop and change all the time. I also think it would be very hard at this stage to replace Clingan. He's a good player at this level.

CovLis86 · Sep 6, 2011

Turner - 750k
Gunnar - 400k
Dann - 400k

Macdonald - 400k.

So yeah they've only ripped us out of 1 million this window guess we should be pleased.

And before you say some of that money could go to loans - first let's wait and see if we do get any in,and secondly the loans can be paid for out of the near 30k a week wages we've 'saved' from them trimming the squad.

I'm going to be frustrated if SISU smoke and mirrors has turned some people around.

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

I should think/hope AT and sisu know how important he is to the team and as so rightly stated ginetta stability is the important thing, something we have not had for a long long time both on and off the field.
We will never know what gets offered to the players but there word can not always be beleived due to third party interests in this ie: agents

kg82 · Sep 6, 2011

Question is, why doesn't he want to sign. If you come up with anything that doesn't implicate the owners as the reason then that's fair enough.

kg82 · Sep 6, 2011

Just going to add that this is all conjecture about Clingan at the moment anyway. I'm just making a point!

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

Didn't know we knew or had received the gunner money?
As for the money saved on players wages near 30k (right or wrong amount I don't know) maybe this goes on the day to day running of the club so were not getting financially ruined.
Not being turned by sisu's smoke and mirrors, just debating and trying to look at this fully and not just presuming on what is said as lies or truth.

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

Don't know why he does/would not want to sign and yes it is all conjecture at the moment about him or any player.
Not in the know as far as the club goes just a normal fan and non of us know what gets offered to the players only what gets said via the media who are not the most reliable at the best of times.
Maybe some think there better than the club/get a better deal elsewhere and want to prove it to themselves?

oldskyblue58 · Sep 6, 2011

I think folk have got to get their head round the fact that the wage reduction is a reduction in the losses it isnt necessarily going to be available to fund more players. It isnt that the money is sitting there waiting to be spent.

Nor is the money from Dann (est 250k) Gunnar (est 250k) or Turner (750k) sitting there waiting to be respent. The club funded the purchase of McDonald for £400k against those funds coming in, the rest will go to cover day to day running costs of CCFC including possible wages of loan signings. What it will show on the annual accounts is a net profit on player dealings so far of £1250k. take that with a saving of wages circa £2.5m (plus other savings) and that has getting on for halved the losses before write down of player contracts (assuming income remains similar to 2010). That is important for the future of this club, places less reliance on SISU, and we no longer boast losses at £500k pm

in fact if crowds and revenue can be maintained, with the profit on sale of prozone (which i think will turn up in this financial year 31/05/2012) then the group could be close to break even or perhaps profit ! That would surprise a few I think. Big IF right now though

valiant15 · Sep 6, 2011

But on the other hand we have a very poor squad and could easily drop into league 1 at the end of the season. How anybody can believe anything that shower say is beyond me. ICHAN,are you still going to be praising sisu if we get no loans in or will you go into hiding and pop out in January when sisu have released another statement saying they're after more loans?

skybluesam66 · Sep 6, 2011

there is an additional £2m tv and premiership payments from this year - with the above that almost clears the losses for the current year

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 6, 2011

CovLis86 said:
Turner - 750k
Gunnar - 400k
Dann - 400k

Macdonald - 400k.

So yeah they've only ripped us out of 1 million this window guess we should be pleased.

And before you say some of that money could go to loans - first let's wait and see if we do get any in,and secondly the loans can be paid for out of the near 30k a week wages we've 'saved' from them trimming the squad.

I'm going to be frustrated if SISU smoke and mirrors has turned some people around.

EXACTLY! Saved me from having to type it for the nth time

sky blue john · Sep 6, 2011

ICHAN said:
But if he does not want to sign a new contract what can be done?
So although not ideal would it have not been best to try and sell him and use any monies from the sale to have bought in some replacements, or if possible sell him in january to try and get replacements in.

I quite agree if he is not going to sign a new contract then in january he will most probably be sold but obviously our position in the league and what offers we get will have a bearing on if he goes or not.
Sisu have no more money to invest in the club and so for the fore seeable future players will be sold at every transfer window to cover losses.
They did not do what I half expected them to do in terms of player sales during the window just gone, but they are walking a financial tightrope.

ashbyjan · Sep 6, 2011

Why would anyone moan if SISU finally started showing some ambition? No one hates SISU as they are a faceless corporation that has for the past three years owned our club (in a roundabout fashion I know OSB) and in that time nothing has improved and in all respects things have deteriorated with a v poor inexperienced squad currently fulfilling many fans prediction of relegation. It is early days in this season and IF they show some semblence of ambition by signing two or three experienced loan players that we desperately need then they will be acting like responsible owners who care about the club. We can all appreciate the financial plight that SISU inherited from the previous incompetent muppets who ran the club but they knew the situation when they took the club over. They obviously bought into Ransons plan and then for whatever reason turned their back on it and started the cost cutting, selling and general running down of the reason the club exists - the team for us to support. Since this process started they have been very economical with the truth, never given straight answers (anyone who listened to Clouting at the fans forum would verify their inability to answer a straightforward question) and have lost the trust of the fans. Even now after the direct statement from Onye which contained lots of words but said absolutely nothing, a trait shared with the highly unpleasant Dulieu, there is no clear plan or vision from SISU that the fans can look at and maybe even buy into. They have allowed some of the funds they have received from selling players to be reinvested in a third division striker and we are supposed to tug our forelocks and say "thankee sir, we don't need another"? They have some huge bridges to build, if they even want to build them, and the only way to do this is by actions not empty words. McDonald is a tiny step in the right direction but many more need to be made before they win over hearts and minds, or more importantly loosen the population of Coventry's purse strings and get more people and revenue into the club.

sky blue john · Sep 6, 2011

oldskyblue58 said:
I think folk have got to get their head round the fact that the wage reduction is a reduction in the losses it isnt necessarily going to be available to fund more players. It isnt that the money is sitting there waiting to be spent.

Nor is the money from Dann (est 250k) Gunnar (est 250k) or Turner (750k) sitting there waiting to be respent. The club funded the purchase of McDonald for £400k against those funds coming in, the rest will go to cover day to day running costs of CCFC including possible wages of loan signings. What it will show on the annual accounts is a net profit on player dealings so far of £1250k. take that with a saving of wages circa £2.5m (plus other savings) and that has getting on for halved the losses before write down of player contracts (assuming income remains similar to 2010). That is important for the future of this club, places less reliance on SISU, and we no longer boast losses at £500k pm

in fact if crowds and revenue can be maintained, with the profit on sale of prozone (which i think will turn up in this financial year 31/05/2012) then the group could be close to break even or perhaps profit ! That would surprise a few I think. Big IF right now though

Spot on OSB thats how I see it. I would appreciate Sisu coming out and saying this though than giving us all their usuall bull in statements. The one that gripes me is they keep saying they will continue to fund the club but it is obvious that they can only do this through player sales.

skybluegod · Sep 6, 2011

if we get messi in then it will be a wast of money as his legs willbe broken first game because the others teams player will be pissed of because he keeps skinning them up and that goes for any other good player what we need are some average just above avarge championship players to come in and fill the void

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

Valiant15 still going to be here no matter what and will not go into hiding as you suggest I will, will you go into hiding if they do get some loans in and pop up when january comes?
Not praising as you put it just structuring a debate, people belived hoffman etc etc to me he was just as bad, but hes a differant debate altogther.
There all as bad as each other as I have said before words are easy and can easilly be twisted to suits ones own agenda, I don't support any of them never have no matter who's been in control as there all as bad as each other at our level ie: financial standing
but what is the alternative as some want, nothing to do with sisu

covcity4life · Sep 6, 2011

sisu are not moving the club foward

sisu are keeping us afloat

i dont love nor hate,why doesnt everyone else feel this way?

Otis · Sep 6, 2011

If we can get loan players in whereby the parent club are paying the vast percentage, if not all of the wage then of course we should do it and it should be the minimum that Sisu and the board do. Apparently we have money for wages so this should all happen.

Don't think Sisu should get any praise though for common sense and doing exactly what everyone and anyone else of a sound mind would do. It's a no-brainer!

Fact is, we HAVE to bring loan players in. It's either that or sink without a trace and the board don't deserve any praise for doing the bare minimum required.

ICHAN · Sep 6, 2011

Rome wasn't built in a day as they say.
Maybe the mess this club was in is just starting to be turned around, just a thought and looking at things in a very very wide picture.

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