Whatever anyone says- when the move back to the Ricoh was agreed... (1 Viewer)

Pusb1 · Dec 28, 2014

the amount of positivity back in this club was Sky-High, as was felt at the Gillingham game.

Forget the subsequent Wasps/SISU/CCC saga...... but the way in which Steven Pressley/these players have sapped all enthusiasm from the fans (which for times last season was still high... thinking back to Several away games - PortVale-MK etcetc) is unforgivable, especially considering how Pressley mouthed off at the time saying we should build on the 'Ricoh momentum.'

He needs to go now in my opinion... for any hope of most fans now complete 'apathy' to help be restored...

Gazolba · Dec 28, 2014

Pusb1 said:
the amount of positivity back in this club was Sky-High, as was felt at the Gillingham game.

Forget the subsequent Wasps/SISU/CCC saga...... but the way in which Steven Pressley/these players have sapped all enthusiasm from the fans (which for times last season was still high... thinking back to Several away games - PortVale-MK etcetc) is unforgivable, especially considering how Pressley mouthed off at the time saying we should build on the 'Ricoh momentum.'

He needs to go now in my opinion... for any hope of most fans now complete 'apathy' to help be restored...

The fact is, like it or not we are now mired in a relegation battle. We are in serious danger of going down. I'm assuming SP is afraid to play attacking football in these circumstances though I cannot see where he expects points to come from when we play so negatively at home. I agree, a golden opportunity was missed in not capitalizing on the return to the Ricoh. I'm not sure it was possible with this team and manager though.

TheOldFive · Dec 28, 2014

Wrong. Attendances collapsed right after the victorious return match. I read somewhere recently that our poor support in terms of turnout, loyalty and attitude got us where we are today not least in that it led to Sisu being our only "saviours" all those years ago. Your post exemplifies that point nearly as much as the empty seats at The Ricoh, and the fawning welcome so many have given to Wasps.

SkyBlueScottie · Dec 28, 2014

Disagree, we went from 28 k to 10 k in the very next match. A lot of fans were then rightly pissed off by the Wasps saga and there is once again a feeling of apathy at the club. I regret purchasing a season ticket and am beginning to see going to the Ricoh as a chore. This is not down to the current manager or current crop of players. This is down to the ongoing saga that has surrounded our club, its owners and the Council for the last few years.

Terry Gibson's perm · Dec 28, 2014

SkyBlueScottie said:
Disagree, we went from 28 k to 10 k in the very next match. A lot of fans were then rightly pissed off by the Wasps saga and there is once again a feeling of apathy at the club. I regret purchasing a season ticket and am beginning to see going to the Ricoh as a chore. This is not down to the current manager or current crop of players. This is down to the ongoing saga that has surrounded our club, its owners and the Council for the last few years.

You are correct it is a chore to go but the good news is the window is nearly open and it will be time for Pressley to bring in his latest batch of players

italiahorse · Dec 28, 2014

SkyBlueScottie said:
Disagree, we went from 28 k to 10 k in the very next match. A lot of fans were then rightly pissed off by the Wasps saga and there is once again a feeling of apathy at the club. I regret purchasing a season ticket and am beginning to see going to the Ricoh as a chore. This is not down to the current manager or current crop of players. This is down to the ongoing saga that has surrounded our club, its owners and the Council for the last few years.

The Gillingham march was 6th September 27,000 and Yeovil 13th September 11,000.
The Wasp announcement was Early October so you can discount Wasps as a factor.

I also regret buying a season ticket, however, I am looking forward to this afternoon including meeting up in the Casino before the game in CCFC's stadium for the afternoon.

dongonzalos · Dec 28, 2014

TheOldFive said:
Wrong. Attendances collapsed right after the victorious return match. I read somewhere recently that our poor support in terms of turnout, loyalty and attitude got us where we are today not least in that it led to Sisu being our only "saviours" all those years ago. Your post exemplifies that point nearly as much as the empty seats at The Ricoh, and the fawning welcome so many have given to Wasps.

What was our average attendance when SISU saved us from administration?

Steve.B50 · Dec 28, 2014

Gazolba said:
The fact is, like it or not we are now mired in a relegation battle. We are in serious danger of going down. I'm assuming SP is afraid to play attacking football in these circumstances though I cannot see where he expects points to come from when we play so negatively at home. I agree, a golden opportunity was missed in not capitalizing on the return to the Ricoh. I'm not sure it was possible with this team and manager though.

Not sure I am in agreement about SP, but the only way anything will change is if either our owners move on or they make drastic immediate changes. Not sure many of us will still be around if the club owners do not leave soon.

stupot07 · Dec 28, 2014

dongonzalos said:
What was our average attendance when SISU saved us from administration?

What was our attendance in our last 2 seasons at HR?

The vast majority of the fall in attendances is down to the owners, managers and players but no all of it.

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skybluetony176 · Dec 28, 2014

dongonzalos said:
What was our average attendance when SISU saved us from administration?

SISU didn't save us from admin. They just delayed it

hutch1972 · Dec 28, 2014

TheOldFive said:
Wrong. Attendances collapsed right after the victorious return match. I read somewhere recently that our poor support in terms of turnout, loyalty and attitude got us where we are today not least in that it led to Sisu being our only "saviours" all those years ago. Your post exemplifies that point nearly as much as the empty seats at The Ricoh, and the fawning welcome so many have given to Wasps.

Whoever it was who questioned our loyalty and commitment to this club is at best ill inormed or just a complete tosser.
The least successful club in the league over a 28 year period , no ground of our own, shit owners, poor football etc etc.
with the issues surrounding this club over an extremely long time I am amazed we still get 8k.
The supporters of this shambles of a football club should have nothing but praise heaped on them not blamed for other people's mistakes.

TheOldFive · Dec 28, 2014

There are some Tossers about of course. At least 20 thousand on the basis of the numbers that turned up for the Ricoh return then didn't go back. They don't really qualify as supporters anyway given that kind of behaviour, neither do those giving up their support because of our bad playing form of late. Loyalty broken that easily is pretty worthless. The idiot Bryan Richardson moved us out of our home and utterly fucked the club up for good on the supposition that fair weather arseholes like those would be worth building the club's future on and look where it has got us. Yet still they don't see it. You know who you are. Still, Enjoy the Rugger eh?

skybluetony176 · Dec 28, 2014

TheOldFive said:
There are some Tossers about of course. At least 20 thousand on the basis of the numbers that turned up for the Ricoh return then didn't go back. They don't really qualify as supporters anyway given that kind of behaviour, neither do those giving up their support because of our bad playing form of late. Loyalty broken that easily is pretty worthless. The idiot Bryan Richardson moved us out of our home and utterly fucked the club up for good on the supposition that fair weather arseholes like those would be worth building the club's future on and look where it has got us. Yet still they don't see it. You know who you are. Still, Enjoy the Rugger eh?

Yes its all the fans fault. SISU are merely passengers.

TheOldFive · Dec 28, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Yes its all the fans fault. SISU are merely passengers.

No it's not the fans fault. If by definition that's the 8k-10k or so remaining as a loyal minority that materially support the club. It's the other "passengers" that need to change their mindset and get over themselves - they actually deserve Sisu.

Travs · Dec 28, 2014

But if SISU did what 'the fans' want and threw more money at the club in an attempt to chase back the 'glory days' (built on money we didn't have), then we would be back in the same position.

Alternatively they could do what the fans also want and 'fuck off' and then we would have no club, which they would no doubt then get the blame for, despite all the clamour for them to go.

Maybe we actually need SISU to take a tough hand with the club (and the fans), stick to their plan of cutting down the costs until we finally rid ourselves of debt, and hope we still have a club left at the end of it, and build from their. Cos lets face it if they listened to 'the fans' every time then we'd most likely be in an even worse situation financially, with no guarantee of being in a better footballing situation.

We are now paying for the glory years that we couldn't afford, yes it's shit, but I live in hope that SISU know what they're doing. After all, we were all ecstatic when they came in 'hard nosed businessmen' 'tough decisions to be made' 'worse before it gets better' etc....

skybluetony176 · Dec 28, 2014

TheOldFive said:
No it's not the fans fault. If by definition that's the 8k-10k or so remaining as a loyal minority that materially support the club. It's the other "passengers" that need to change their mindset and get over themselves - they actually deserve Sisu.

So its the mind set of the fans that need to change not the owners who have turned around 12,000 fans into what you refer to as "passangers" since their arrival ?

Jack Griffin · Dec 28, 2014

Travs said:
But if SISU did what 'the fans' want and threw more money at the club in an attempt to chase back the 'glory days' (built on money we didn't have), then we would be back in the same position.

Alternatively they could do what the fans also want and 'fuck off' and then we would have no club, which they would no doubt then get the blame for, despite all the clamour for them to go.

Maybe we actually need SISU to take a tough hand with the club (and the fans), stick to their plan of cutting down the costs until we finally rid ourselves of debt, and hope we still have a club left at the end of it, and build from their. Cos lets face it if they listened to 'the fans' every time then we'd most likely be in an even worse situation financially, with no guarantee of being in a better footballing situation.

We are now paying for the glory years that we couldn't afford, yes it's shit, but I live in hope that SISU know what they're doing. After all, we were all ecstatic when they came in 'hard nosed businessmen' 'tough decisions to be made' 'worse before it gets better' etc....

With SISU and the debt they've loaded on the club there is no future. A prerequisite of moving forward is to get rid of SISU, they need to write off a large part of the debt and sell at whatever price they can get.

Letting them hang on and squeeze annual interest out of the club by developing and selling players in the lower reaches of the Football League in the long to medium (10yrs+) term is not an option in my book, I'd rather see the club fold and another local club owned by local businessmen who are in it for footballing reasons take its place.

Travs · Dec 28, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
With SISU and the debt they've loaded on the club there is no future. A prerequisite of moving forward is to get rid of SISU, they need to write off a large part of the debt and sell at whatever price they can get.

Letting them hang on and squeeze annual interest out of the club by developing and selling players in the lower reaches of the Football League in the long to medium (10yrs+) term is not an option in my book, I'd rather see the club fold and another local club owned by local businessmen who are in it for footballing reasons take its place.

It's a fair point, however do people not think we are now at the point of no return with SISU, where they now need to put up or shut up. They now need to do a deal to acquire part of the Ricoh (unlikely) or a new ground (slightly less unlikely IMO, but not guaranteed).

If neither of these are forthcoming then even the staunchest supporters of SISU (by default I'm probably in this category) would need to question their support for the present owners.

For those who can't be bothered to make sense of my above ramblings, I'm basically saying we've come 7 years with SISU, we might as well stick it out to the bitter end and see what happens, as in considerably less than 7 years from now, we will either be on the way back up, or gone completely.

TheOldFive · Dec 28, 2014

Travs said:
We are now paying for the glory years that we couldn't afford, yes it's shit, but I live in hope that SISU know what they're doing. After all, we were all ecstatic when they came in 'hard nosed businessmen' 'tough decisions to be made' 'worse before it gets better' etc....

A courageous post. Needed saying and I appreciate the sentiment. However, the truth is it all falls down at "I live in hope that SISU know what they're doing." They don't. Of all the many examples of proof for that I can most recently suggest the Goings On at the Gallagher Retail Park shop, lack of stock, poor management, well meaning and hard working (probably) staff but an operation woeful in it's professionalism.

Whatever it is that "Sisu know what they are doing" I fear it is of no lasting benefit to CCFC. We have to grin and bear these dark times and let them pass.

TheOldFive · Dec 28, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
So its the mind set of the fans that need to change not the owners who have turned around 12,000 fans into what you refer to as "passangers" since their arrival ?

I'm no defender of the owners myself I'd like us to have better, the real true loyal supporters deserve that. The 12,000 you mention - yes, they should get behind the team regardless of the regime - whilst they don't, they are simply not fans are they? They are ex-fans, until the next bandwagon I suppose. Not wanting to offend anyone but people who have made a conscious effort to materially withdraw their support - well I wouldn't even call them passengers.

skybluetony176 · Dec 28, 2014

TheOldFive said:
I'm no defender of the owners myself I'd like us to have better, the real true loyal supporters deserve that. The 12,000 you mention - yes, they should get behind the team regardless of the regime - whilst they don't, they are simply not fans are they? They are ex-fans, until the next bandwagon I suppose. Not wanting to offend anyone but people who have made a conscious effort to materially withdraw their support - well I wouldn't even call them passengers.

When was CCFC ever a band wagon? You really are talking absolute bollocks.

TheOldFive · Dec 28, 2014

Really Tony? Thanks for taking the trouble of letting me know your opinion. Sounds like we disagree. Do you have your own opinion or do you just criticise others?

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 28, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
I'd rather see the club fold and another local club owned by local businessmen who are in it for footballing reasons take its place.

Not just any old local businessmen though please. A new start should mean a truly new start.

Gazolba · Dec 28, 2014

TheOldFive said:
Wrong. Attendances collapsed right after the victorious return match.

Wrong. They didn't collapse. They went back to normal.

Gazolba · Dec 28, 2014

TheOldFive said:
I'm no defender of the owners myself I'd like us to have better, the real true loyal supporters deserve that. The 12,000 you mention - yes, they should get behind the team regardless of the regime - whilst they don't, they are simply not fans are they? They are ex-fans, until the next bandwagon I suppose. Not wanting to offend anyone but people who have made a conscious effort to materially withdraw their support - well I wouldn't even call them passengers.

The only real 'supporters' are the season ticket holders. They have made a commitment. Everyone else is effectively saying "I may go or I may not, but I'm definitely not going enough to make a season-ticket worthwhile". The job of the club is to (a) Sell more season tickets and (b) Encourage non-season ticket holders to want to go. They have failed spectacularly on both counts. (a) was killed by the move to Northampton and (b) is being killed by the abysmal performances.

Neutral Fan · Dec 28, 2014

Pusb1 said:
.. thinking back to Several away games - PortVale-MK etcetc) is unforgivable.

Now THAT I agree with! Taking 7000 to watch a franchise IS unforgivable lol.

Nick · Dec 29, 2014

Gazolba said:
The only real 'supporters' are the season ticket holders. They have made a commitment. Everyone else is effectively saying "I may go or I may not, but I'm definitely not going enough to make a season-ticket worthwhile". The job of the club is to (a) Sell more season tickets and (b) Encourage non-season ticket holders to want to go. They have failed spectacularly on both counts. (a) was killed by the move to Northampton and (b) is being killed by the abysmal performances.

What about match packages buying 6 or 12 in advance?

Macca · Dec 29, 2014

TheOldFive said:
There are some Tossers about of course. At least 20 thousand on the basis of the numbers that turned up for the Ricoh return then didn't go back. They don't really qualify as supporters anyway given that kind of behaviour, neither do those giving up their support because of our bad playing form of late. Loyalty broken that easily is pretty worthless. The idiot Bryan Richardson moved us out of our home and utterly fucked the club up for good on the supposition that fair weather arseholes like those would be worth building the club's future on and look where it has got us. Yet still they don't see it. You know who you are. Still, Enjoy the Rugger eh?

Speak to the club and ask for them to cap ticket sales at 12k for big events, keep it real

Covstu · Dec 29, 2014

I think people have to be realistic with whoever is in charge that we cannot just throw money at the problem like the fans want i.e. the Atkinson days. Yes it was fun whilst it lasted but wasn't sustainable unless it secures you success (look at Cardiff being a recent example of that).

The fact of the matter is that SISU have to move on regardless of their intensions and actions, no matter what they do now they have broken all trust with fans and that will never be repaired until a change of hands has been achieved. I know people who are ST holders and missed yesterdays game because of the fact that they knew we wouldn't score and the game would be dire (and look what happened) These guys even had ST at Northampton... We are going to lose even more 'loyal' fans next season as no one is going to simply pay to watch that rubbish, that 8k loyal fan base will drop to 6k...

italiahorse · Dec 29, 2014

TheOldFive said:
No it's not the fans fault. If by definition that's the 8k-10k or so remaining as a loyal minority that materially support the club. It's the other "passengers" that need to change their mindset and get over themselves - they actually deserve Sisu.

Sometimes you have to withdraw your support when the owners are just taking your money and not giving you anything in return.
Sometimes it's difficult to bond with a team of journeymen.
I fully understand fans staying away but they will return when the owners start giving them something to support.

I don't think it will be these owners though for most.

Covstu · Dec 29, 2014

Blind support will take you so far, at some point you have to just so no fuck off! Our owners are making no attempt to engage with the supporters apart from 'here's a cheap deal for tickets' so they are not inspiring confidence, people are finding other things to do on Saturday and their money (Sadly Wasps being one).

The Trust and our local papers are not pushing (no demanding) answers from our owners and we all seem to be content just watching it happen.....

Enough is now enough..

skybluetony176 · Dec 29, 2014

Covstu said:
The Trust and our local papers are not pushing (no demanding) answers from our owners and we all seem to be content just watching it happen.....

Enough is now enough..

SISU aren't talking to the CET or the trust. Probably because they are asking for answers.

mrtrench · Dec 29, 2014

TheOldFive said:
people who have made a conscious effort to materially withdraw their support - well I wouldn't even call them passengers.

Why are you so concerned about calling people "real fans" or "not real fans"? Each and every person is an individual, what value do you add to anything by name-calling and pigeon holing people according to a definition you made up yourself?

mrtrench · Dec 29, 2014

Gazolba said:
The only real 'supporters' are the season ticket holders.

And another one with another definition he made up himself. Why not the only real fans are those that cut themselves every night singing the Sky Blue Song? I bet that every time you guys define "real fan" it always somehow includes you in the bucket you want to be in.

I'm sure you wouldn't say these things to people's faces as it's so easy whilst anonymous behind a keyboard isn't it? But this really is a kind of bullying you know.

Nick · Dec 29, 2014

mrtrench said:
And another one with another definition he made up himself. Why not the only real fans are those that cut themselves every night singing the Sky Blue Song? I bet that every time you guys define "real fan" it always somehow includes you in the bucket you want to be in.

I'm sure you wouldn't say these things to people's faces as it's so easy whilst anonymous behind a keyboard isn't it? But this really is a kind of bullying you know.

Saying only season tickets holders are fans is bullying? Whilst I don't agree with his statement, that one is a bit ott...

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