Where is the strength in depth? (1 Viewer)

Just to pick up on your point on fitness...Do you have any idea how long it takes to improve a players fitness mid season? It's a long, careful, marticulous process. If he walks in the door and says they're unfit and has them doing heavy fitness work the risk of burnout and injuries is very very high. You can't have pre season sessions mid season. I'm sure they are working on there fitness but my guess is we won't see any benefits this side of Xmas.

Perryccfc said:

Just to pick up on your point on fitness...Do you have any idea how long it takes to improve a players fitness mid season? It's a long, careful, marticulous process. If he walks in the door and says they're unfit and has them doing heavy fitness work the risk of burnout and injuries is very very high. You can't have pre season sessions mid season. I'm sure they are working on there fitness but my guess is we won't see any benefits this side of Xmas.

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Unlike RVP for man utd who was up to speed after missing pre season in about 5 weeks.

Don't think I have seen a fully fit ccfc in years

He made five changes on Saturday and won.

That's where it is

Yeah i think there is a depth to the squad. Players who can come in for others and there is not much of a gap in quality obviosily the quailty might not be of the higest level to start with but thats not the point. Every postion has a few who can come in and the only real gap i could see is if Mgoldrick and murphy were missing. Mcdonald not up to speed and Murphy is a good keeper and i think he gets a hard time but i really think he wins us lots of points.

psgm1 said:

According to Maggot (sorry waggot), Robins stated at interview that this team had strength throughout.

Its now 1/3 of the season,and I fail to see where this strength is. Indeed the team was SOOO strong that in his first week he brought in 4 new players!

Far be it from me to say Robins may have stretched the truth a tad to get the job, butfrom experience anyone who stretches the truth to get the job, generally works out to be poor at that job (hence the need to exaggerate.

Certainly in his time here he should have at the very least been able to have given a boost in fitness, which should have allowed the team to play the full 90 minutes + extra time.

However this has clearly not been done as they still having the same mistakes that were occuring under his predecessor!

So come on - where is the depth? where is the improvement in the teams performances?

Luck has played a significant part in all of the teams wins this season. If cov didn't have DM they would be rock bottom with a 2 point gap!

Still I suppose this was inevitable when you pick the second choice manager when your first pick turns you down!

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Also I take it luck was not involved in the defeats under robins.

And off field matters were noting to do with the 4 defeats in s row after at was sacked.

ccfcway said:

Don't think I have seen a fully fit ccfc in years

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Probably not since Boothroyd.

PSGM1 - I've never believed that rumour about Ince being first choice. That's all it was, a rumour. Not to mention the fact that Robin's pulled in 4 loans within days of getting here which shows he'd already been talking with clubs about players before he was confirmed as manager. A loan signing usually takes a week to sort out and finalize so really that puts the 2nd choice rumour in the bin in my opinion.

So really what your trying to say, is Robin's isn't good enough right?

This guy's an idiot.

SkybluePM/psgm1 - you didn't like AT or RS as managers, you seem to have some sort of distain for MR. Who would you like as manager?

psgm1 - are you richard shaw in disguise??

skyblueindorset said:

SkybluePM/psgm1 - you didn't like AT or RS as managers, you seem to have some sort of distain for MR. Who would you like as manager?

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Yep its that writing style all over is'nt it.

wingy said:

Yep its that writing style all over is'nt it.

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Yes, wingy; the writing style coupled with the apparent attitude that nothing at CCFC is good enough. I'm surprised that he hasn't mentioned the horrible tea at the Ricoh yet.

skyblueindorset said:

Yes, wingy; the writing style coupled with the apparent attitude that nothing at CCFC is good enough. I'm surprised that he hasn't mentioned the horrible tea at the Ricoh yet.

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Shh you'll give him ideas! Lol

dongonzalos said:

And off field matters were noting to do with the 4 defeats in s row after at was sacked.

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Exactly - just like the sisu-out-campaign had no influence on the teams performance last season.

OP has got it all wrong... there's loads of depth in the squad - we have numerous under-performing below-average players to choose from

Godiva said:

Exactly - just like the sisu-out-campaign had no influence on the teams performance last season.

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I doubt very much that SOC would have got fleetingly off the ground if SISU had'nt mismanaged the actions of the Stewards when confronted by a couple of SISU OUT banners !!:facepalm:

wingy said:

I doubt very much that SOC would have got fleetingly off the ground if SISU had'nt mismanaged the actions of the Stewards when confronted by a couple of SISU OUT banners !!:facepalm:

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It's not a question if the campaign got to where it got - it did and it had an effect on the team performance.

And btw - the stewards are (correct me if I am wrong) employed by the Ricoh, which we all know is not owned by sisu or the club. So I fail to see how sisu could mis-manage any actions done by the stewards.

Godiva said:

It's not a question if the campaign got to where it got - it did and it had an effect on the team performance.

And btw - the stewards are (correct me if I am wrong) employed by the Ricoh, which we all know is not owned by sisu or the club. So I fail to see how sisu could mis-manage any actions done by the stewards.

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According to you're posts today it would appear SISU are invisible, something in the ETHER,If I'm correct the biggest in game coffuffle coincided with one of the best performances of the season ,Derby.

dongonzalos said:

Also I take it luck was not involved in the defeats under robins.

And off field matters were noting to do with the 4 defeats in s row after at was sacked.

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We won the first game after he was sacked.

psgm1 said:

So come on - where is the depth? where is the improvement in the teams performances?

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I know that your posts suggest you are not a statistical guru but as "performance" is subjective you have to look at point achieved.

Clueless One and Clueless Two - 3 points from 7 games

Robins - 11 points from 8 games

This over 46 games equates to 63 points - higher mid table

Under the prior regime its relegation

So what are you blathering on about?

Clueless one undefeated after 3 games.

Clueless two lost every game

MR lost a few games

Clueless one only undefeated manager out of three this season.

You just have to love statistics

Give it up wingy,you'll never win with Godiva,sisu can do no wrong in his eyes.

To get back to the point.......not seeing how our current squad has depth shows pgsm has not football knowledge or is just spouting crap could be both.

Our squad is one of the largest in League 1......as Otis has stated many are underperforming or just poor depending on your view but depth is there!!!
Very few academy players have made start xi this year.......it was Christie's first start in ages v Orient and that was for Clarke who some claim are inexperienced as well.

We cannot fund a 50 man squad in league 1......who else bloody does in this division. We should face facts we have the numbers and need to move quite a few out in order to get more in.

johnwillomagic said:

To get back to the point.......not seeing how our current squad has depth shows pgsm has not football knowledge or is just spouting crap could be both.

Our squad is one of the largest in League 1......as Otis has stated many are underperforming or just poor depending on your view but depth is there!!!
Very few academy players have made start xi this year.......it was Christie's first start in ages v Orient and that was for Clarke who some claim are inexperienced as well.

We cannot fund a 50 man squad in league 1......who else bloody does in this division. We should face facts we have the numbers and need to move quite a few out in order to get more in.

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well said we were in a higher division last season dependant on the likes of Christie Thomas and Bigi.

I know people will say look where Bigi is now. However he is still a bit part at Newcastle learning his trade. Last season he was even less experienced

I ge the Impression from his quotes that he thinks we're lacking experience ,a little niave ,which suggests he'd like to push the age of the squad up a bit.But we have Wood ,SHEFF ,BAKER ,Murphy ,Elliott,Kilbane .Admittedly only two of those at present are regular starters ,but all four of his aquisitions are also on the young side and I can't help think we can find that level from our own production line .I really hope we utilise what our academy is generating but have a feeling we're most likely to cash in on 2-3 of them by seasons end.

wingy said:

I ge the Impression from his quotes that he thinks we're lacking experience ,a little niave ,which suggests he'd like to push the age of the squad up a bit.But we have Wood ,SHEFF ,BAKER ,Murphy ,Elliott,Kilbane .Admittedly only two of those at present are regular starters ,but all four of his aquisitions are also on the young side and I can't help think we can find that level from our own production line .I really hope we utilise what our academy is generating but have a feeling we're most likely to cash in on 2-3 of them by seasons end.

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That's true, you would expect the most experience members of the squad would make up the vast majority of the first eleven, however only murphy, wood and Baker have been regular starters and although its night to have some experience on the bench, paying good wages for the likes likes of sheff, Elliot, Kilbane, baker, bell and ROD is a waste of money.

Grendel said:

I know that your posts suggest you are not a statistical guru but as "performance" is subjective you have to look at point achieved.

Clueless One and Clueless Two - 3 points from 7 games

Robins - 11 points from 8 games

This over 46 games equates to 63 points - higher mid table

Under the prior regime its relegation

So what are you blathering on about?

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As Disraeli said - the (honourable) gentleman uses statistics as a drunken man uses a lamp post, for support not illumination.

Depth in squad.

Murphy injured Dunn in. Which league one team has two top keepers. We are the same as anyone else. Except at least we have one top keeper one potential one.

Clarke out Christie in or Bailey can play right back. As can Willis.

Left back Recford, Hussey Kilbane.

Cb Cameron Wood Edge Clarke Willis (malaga).Brown

Midfield Baker, Jennings, Barton, Moussa, Thomas, Fleck, Bell. Bailey.

Strikers DMC, Cody, Elliot, Sheff Ball.

Psgm1 we clearly have depth.

Some of these players will not suit Robins. Some have not been given enough chance. Some have not made the most of the chances they were given.

Robins will hopefully ship out the ones he does not rate and replace them with what wants.

However we do have depth in our squad. Last season we did not. Yeovil do not have depth. We do.

We need MR to either sort this lot out and find a system that works with them.

Or if he can't, then accept this season is over and allow him to ship them out and get his own boys in and all go again next season.

psgm1 said:

The squad is in relegation position!

In what sense is this a good squad?

Absolute deluded.

Not liking something doesn't mean it isn't true!

McGoldrick (a loanee who will be gone in Jan) has scored more goals then the rest of the team COMBINED!

That proves there is absolutely no quality in this squad.

If there were the other players would be scoring on a regular basis !

The same people giving me abuse were the same people saying twat features was doing a good job!

These people CLEARLY know fuck all about fuck all!

Pathetic

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And your responce clearly shows how immature you are.

A mature man would have aired his views in a contructive manner.

He or she would consider everyones views, way up the pro's and con's of each argument and then respond in polite and calm manner, expressing why they did not agree with the other persons view of the situation and giving good reasons why.

You on the other hand have not. You resorted to calling us deluded and said (and i quote)

These people CLEARLY know fuck all about fuck all!

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I'm assuming your including me in this outlook so im going to do exactly what i preach...im going to give you my views (which i didn't really before)

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Your initial post gave most people the opinion that you do not rate MR.

That you feel he has already had a fair crack at the whip and hasn't been successful.

You pointed out about the players fitness levels but failed to realise that it's hard to manage a players fitness levels once you go into full season.

You can't make them train like its pre-season because you risk injuring your players.

If Robin's did this we could end up losing half our first team squad to injury and we all know (despite their current level of playing ability) that would be disasterous!

As Robin's has quite rightly said and several occasions, things are going to take time. So much is wrong with this club, from top to bottom, that no quick fix is possible.

I agree with you, we're in the relegation zone and it sucks! But how is it any different to all those years we spend in the premiership, always either in the relegation zone or just flirting with its outter edge.

How is that different to all those years in the Championship where we did exactly the same thing, always either in the zone or just outside of it.

The only difference i can see is that its league 1. Same situation, different league!

Our team is in flux, its been in flux since our relegation from the premiership because it's never fullfilled the potential it showed on paper. Look at last years relegation squad. We should have been in or at least near to the playoff places but because of our dire away form (thanks in part to Thorns lack of management skills...sorry guys i'll try not to mention him again if i can!) we ended up falling fowl of the death trap that is relegation to league 1.

Bad business management coupled with a wrong appointment stemming back nearly two years ago has brought us to this low point and i hope you'll agree with me that looking at all the evidence, a quick fix is impossible!

Our only option is to allow MR the time and patience he so clearly needs to get things done.

His three year contract highlights something important. Thorn (sorry!) was on a 12 month rolling contract. Robin's has come in (as 1st choice i might add...no 2nd choice garbage) and has got himself a long term contract.

I believe this is because SISU have now realised we're not doing the great escape this season.

They've looked at what other clubs have done (Southampton, Norwich etc) and realised it took those teams at least two years to get themselves out of this league (i believe so anyway...someone can correct me if im wrong).

Yes Southampton had a massive cash injection from a takeover but putting that aside, we can still make it out of this league.

A long term plan is what is needed and a long term manager is needed to drive through that plan to ensure any type of success. We need consistancy at this club and giving Robin's three years to work his magic is one step towards that consistancy! We just have to hope SISU stick to their promises! Come on JOY! Step on up to the plate!

The players need to buck up their ideas, that much is true! Their being shown a masterclass in the form of Goldie who (in my opinion) is probably making a lot of them look at themselves a lot more closely than they have in the past.

For example, if at your place of work, someone is brought in for a short time to cover for one of your employees. Up until his appearance you've been very laid back about your job, getting things done without having to put too much effort into it. Then this substitute comes in and starts showing you and your colleges up because he does his job to the best of his ability which is a very high standard. It's going to make you look at yourself and you'll start asking yourself if you too can improve. Maybe you'll get a promotion etc.

Goldie may not stay further than January but i believe his being here has changed things in the Cov camp. It'll have players seriously considering whether they've done enough this season and if theres anything more they can give etc. I for one will be glad if by January they start stepping upto the plate to fill in the gaps left by loan players departures etc and actually show us what they're made off!

So im going to finish this up by saying to you PSGM1, I believe there is depth in this squad. A squad with no depth would not have the sort of players that Robin's has used to change games. They may not be great, but when they come on they give it a damn good go. They change games and some have earned more 1st team starts because of their substitution appearances. Those who have been dropped are given a fair chance to get their place back so when they come on the pitch as substitutes, they are champing at the bit to prove their worth to the manager.

Last season and until Robin's came in we didn't have that. We had players who had no desire to play breathtaking and winning football. They played for their money and that was it. A cushty time to be sure! And a subs appearance was a way of shaking off the cobwebs and have a little kick around. They didn't particularly care about the manager and i think in some degrees, some of them didn't care about us fans! But i believe they now do want to play proper footballer, not just for themselves, but for the manager and for us fans!

I believe a corner has been turned...it'll take time...but i believe we're moving forward in the right direction and MR is the right person to do it.

So have a little faith boss! Remember, theres always a sunnyside to every storm and good times await just round the corner! We'll get there soon, just have some patience

dongonzalos said:

Depth in squad.

Murphy injured Dunn in. Which league one team has two top keepers. We are the same as anyone else. Except at least we have one top keeper one potential one.

Clarke out Christie in or Bailey can play right back. As can Willis.

Left back Recford, Hussey Kilbane.

Cb Cameron Wood Edge Clarke Willis (malaga).Brown

Midfield Baker, Jennings, Barton, Moussa, Thomas, Fleck, Bell. Bailey.

Strikers DMC, Cody, Elliot, Sheff Ball.

Psgm1 we clearly have depth.

Some of these players will not suit Robins. Some have not been given enough chance. Some have not made the most of the chances they were given.

Robins will hopefully ship out the ones he does not rate and replace them with what wants.

However we do have depth in our squad. Last season we did not. Yeovil do not have depth. We do.

We need MR to either sort this lot out and find a system that works with them.

Or if he can't, then accept this season is over and allow him to ship them out and get his own boys in and all go again next season.

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Hang on - when did Dunn become a top keeper

Last season

keeper- Murphy, Dunn

Right back - Clarke,christie, keogh, Cranie, willis
Cb - keogh, Cranie, wood, McPake, Cameron, willis
LB - hussey, wood, Cranie

Midfield - clingan, bell, Baker, Norwood, deegan, Thomas, Bigi, sheff

Striker - juke/nimely, platt, cody, Eastwood, sheff, rod,

We have a few more midfield options but that's the only area we have more depth than last season.

Please re read my post. Re Dunn.

juke till Jan
Eastwood?

Was ROD not off on loan and not good enough for this league never mind above.
Nimely post Xmas as with Norwood. Mcpake on loan.

Willis, Thomas, Bigi kids learning their trade in a division higher than this.

i'd really love to know the truth behind the player bonus alteration,
timed a week before the season started,
so will F & W explain ?
is that a relevant aspect ?

georgehudson said:

i'd really love to know the truth behind the player bonus alteration,
timed a week before the season started,
so will F & W explain ?
is that a relevant aspect ?

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It would be at any place of work.