Sky_Blue_Daz
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In my opinion it was Coleman a defence including Westwood, Dann, Fox Ward and he had a few quid to spend too
which city manager did the worst job with the best squad? (2 Viewers)
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RoboCCFC90
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Coleman.. Without a doubt.
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sky blue john
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Coleman !!
You only have to look at the players he had at his disposal that went on to play in the prem....
You only have to look at the players he had at his disposal that went on to play in the prem....
Skybluenutterman
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Starchan by a country mile. He got us relegated with great players and will never be forgiven!!
mrtrench
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You will never forgive him? Really? It's not like he did it on purpose: he's a passionate man - everyone can see that. I'm sure he tried his damnedest. What if he pleaded with you for forgiveness on his knees, would you spurn him still? Walking off to the sound of him weeping 'I'm so sorry...'?
What about Marlon King? He *deliberately* punched a young girl in the face because she objected to him feeling her up Dave Lee Travis stylee. Not a one-off deliberate act either: twenty odd cases where he was actually caught. How many times did he abuse, steal, act selfishly contrary to the law and was not caught? And will you ever forgive him?
torchomatic
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Gordon Fucking Strachan. The punchline was he relegated us too.
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skyblueinBaku
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In my opinion, Coleman.
covcity4life
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coleman .
Coleman in recent memory.
Strachan to a degree - lucky to have Dion who he inherited, although he did sign McAllister and Huckerby. We then had the entertainers who were great at home, but didn't win away all season - Tactics perhaps? And then we got relegated the following season
Strachan to a degree - lucky to have Dion who he inherited, although he did sign McAllister and Huckerby. We then had the entertainers who were great at home, but didn't win away all season - Tactics perhaps? And then we got relegated the following season
rupert_bear
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Without doubt Noel Cantwell, inherited a really good side which just needed polishing up with decent top players. in the 3 years he was here he signed SEVEN strikers all big fees yet the two he got rid of Bobby Gould and John Tudor went on to score plenty of goals elsewhere for years. He also sold decent players in Dave Clements who went on to star at Sheffield Wednesday and captain Everton and Nothern Ireland who had a good side in those days with the likes of Derek Dougan and George Best, Ronnie Rees who carried on playing top flight football at West Brom and Forest, Ernie Machin, Ian Gibson, in fact anyone who seemed to remind him of the JH days A disaster.
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Colonel Mustard
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It's unfair to name Strachan in this thread. Although he did a very poor job of managing the squad in his final year (either he fell out with players, or played them out of position, or didn't play those who should have done), he didn't have a good squad with which to work. Similarly, Andy Thorn can be absolved of the charge, even though he was the worst manager in CCFC history.
Coleman comfortably takes the prize in recent times.
Coleman comfortably takes the prize in recent times.
torchomatic
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Coleman, really? I would maybe agree but I quote the OP, "with the best squad". Were we not "the entertainers"? Dublin, Keane, Huckerby, Chippo, Hadji, Boateng, Whelan, etc etc etc.
Colonel Mustard
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Huckerby, Whelan, Keane, Dublin, McAllister and Boateng weren't there in the final relegation season. It wasn't a particularly good squad.
fernandopartridge
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Blimey. Disagree again. He had a decent squad in the relegation season many of whom left to play for other PL clubs post relegation.
torchomatic
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No, maybe not, but we still had enough quality to survive. Bellamy, Hartson, Thompson, Shaw, Hadji, Chippo, Breen, Hedman, Konjic...
My point was we never really set the world alight even with all those great players. Maybe if he hadn't of stubbonly played Telfer week in and week out and put his own son in (who was rubbish) then we may have done better. He also took had a £1M payoff, didn't he? Insult to injury, etc.
My point was we never really set the world alight even with all those great players. Maybe if he hadn't of stubbonly played Telfer week in and week out and put his own son in (who was rubbish) then we may have done better. He also took had a £1M payoff, didn't he? Insult to injury, etc.
Played Dion at centre half against Sheff Utd in the Q-final of the cup, with Moldovan up front with Huckerby. Dion and Huckerby scored 37(?) goals between them that season. Cost us a place in the semi. Poor management - everyone in the ground could see it wasn't working.
Colonel Mustard
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Most thought the writing was on the wall when Keane and McAllister were sold off. The team was tipped for relegation. There's no doubt the squad could have been better managed, but I just don't think there's that much of a discrepancy between the quality of the squad and where it ended up. Coleman, on the other hand, should have been challenging with the quality and budget he had.
SkyBlueSid
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I have to go with Strachan too. Mostly because the impact of his incompetence haunts us to this day. As others have said, the squad we had in 2000-01 was certainly good enough to have been mid-table in the Premier League. Strachan's mismanagement of the players and sheer stubbornness in refusing to play players in form or drop players out of form, and an insistence on playing them in alien positions were the reasons we went down. Everyone could see the solutions except him. Relegation proved to be the disaster that ruined the club. I remember that poor bloke with the 'We'll be back' poster and wonder what he thinks now.
We have had some terrible managers over the years for sure, but Strachan's sheer bloody-mindedness has caused the most damage.
We have had some terrible managers over the years for sure, but Strachan's sheer bloody-mindedness has caused the most damage.
torchomatic
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Strachan's squad was a hundred times better than Coleman's - and he was a rubbish manager too. A lot of managers like GS and McAllister, etc think they can manage thanks to their successful playing careers. It's nonsense. Two of our best ever players (and those of the modern game as a whole) were absolutely dreadful managers.
fernandopartridge
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You've missed Carsley who was decent and made a career with David Moyes' Everton side. Aloisi also.
Colonel Mustard
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Comparing apples and oranges here. Contextually, Coleman's resources were strong enough to challenge for promotion and he severely underachieved. Strachan's resources in that final season were strong enough to battle relegation, but he merely underachieved.
Dimi_Konstantflapalot
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Purely for discussion, gonna throw a curveball in - Micky Adams.
I know he had McSheffrey sold by the powers that be, but he then spent near enough £3 million before 06/07 season bringing in replacements in McKenzie, Ward, Kyle, Birchall, McNamee and Tabb (and those were just the fees paid, he also brought in 10 other permanent players on frees).
Before you say it, I know not all of those players were kack - but Adams was sacked by January 07 with us 16th in the Champ and out of the FA Cup to Bristol City. Arguably started the period of decline exacerbated by Coleman.
I know he had McSheffrey sold by the powers that be, but he then spent near enough £3 million before 06/07 season bringing in replacements in McKenzie, Ward, Kyle, Birchall, McNamee and Tabb (and those were just the fees paid, he also brought in 10 other permanent players on frees).
Before you say it, I know not all of those players were kack - but Adams was sacked by January 07 with us 16th in the Champ and out of the FA Cup to Bristol City. Arguably started the period of decline exacerbated by Coleman.
torchomatic
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"Merely"? Despite a good squad, unwavering support of his chairman and a healthy budget he "merely" relegated us. I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I only mentioned Coleman as you keep doing so.
fernandopartridge
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.. and had resources that far outweighed those managers who had managed to keep the club in the top division for the previous 33 years.
Colonel Mustard
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Merely.
Which teams do you think CCFC should have finished ahead of in 2000–2001? The seven teams ahead of us: Manchester City (also relegated), Derby County, Everton, West Ham, Middlesborough, Leicester, Tottenham.
How many of them had poorer squads than City?
fernandopartridge
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At least 3
Colonel Mustard
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Which ones? Derby stands out, but I'm not sure of the others.