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Match Thread Who should play on Wednesday poll (17 Viewers)
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Chicken Mcgraw
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Could you provide me with all the stats first so I know who to choose?
shepardo01
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Another, and another and another - like every game where he makes horrific decisions.
Said it before - on occasions this has happened (one game - can't remember which - where the opposition has zero attempts at goal) he's played, had nothing to do, everyone thinks it's all ok, then as soon as he's slightly tested, he does something inexplicable.
If he's fit, Wilson has to play.
Mucca Mad Boys
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From what Joe Edward’s said, I reckon Collins would stay in goal. Personally, I’m not really bothered either way because neither Wilson or Collins are good players.
We need a new GK in the summer, that’s for sure.
We need a new GK in the summer, that’s for sure.
shepardo01
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So the game plan has to be to restrict the opposition to 1/2 shots on target each game and bank on us scoring at least 2 per game.
Mucca Mad Boys
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Literally, Collin and Wilson are both amongst the worst goalkeepers in the league statistically.
steve cooper
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Millwall away
Legia Sky Blue
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I would play Wilson. Collins' confidence must be in tatters and unfortunately that lack of confidence is likely to spread to the defenders in front of him if he continues in the team. Wilson is not the greatest keeper obviously, but he is a generally more positive character which is what we need on this run in.
covcity4life
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JimmyHillsbeard
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Yesterday’s first goal was probably worse than the second. The main error was From Grimes who gave the ball away in precisely the manner and in exactly the place that we bought him to never give the ball away.
That said Collins rushed miles off his line far too readily for *both* of the goals yesterday. For the first this meant that he stupidly went charging off to the left back position with no hope of getting the ball. It wasn’t the major fuck up (or the last) but it turned a dangerous scenario into a certain goal as soon as Burnley passed it away from an isolated keeper.
The second goal, 50:50 Kitchin and Collins but obviously no communication between them - and no confidence from the defence to leave it to the keeper.
I suspect Collins is trying to correct for a lack of confidence by committing as early as possible to sweeping up behind the defence. Sadly he’s overcompensating and showing poor judgement which is exacerbating the mutual confidence problem. I am doubtful that he will ever eliminate this tendency in his game while he is with us - even in games where he plays well it will always be a possibility.
Playing him against the very team where his frailties were so massively exposed is a brave management choice. And I agree it seems from the post match that they will likely go with it. In my view it’s also very likely to be an act of self-sabotage.
Sadly Collins is unselectable for me. I’ll support him if he is picked on Wednesday and hope that I’m wrong but it shouldn’t be an option in my view.
That said Collins rushed miles off his line far too readily for *both* of the goals yesterday. For the first this meant that he stupidly went charging off to the left back position with no hope of getting the ball. It wasn’t the major fuck up (or the last) but it turned a dangerous scenario into a certain goal as soon as Burnley passed it away from an isolated keeper.
The second goal, 50:50 Kitchin and Collins but obviously no communication between them - and no confidence from the defence to leave it to the keeper.
I suspect Collins is trying to correct for a lack of confidence by committing as early as possible to sweeping up behind the defence. Sadly he’s overcompensating and showing poor judgement which is exacerbating the mutual confidence problem. I am doubtful that he will ever eliminate this tendency in his game while he is with us - even in games where he plays well it will always be a possibility.
Playing him against the very team where his frailties were so massively exposed is a brave management choice. And I agree it seems from the post match that they will likely go with it. In my view it’s also very likely to be an act of self-sabotage.
Sadly Collins is unselectable for me. I’ll support him if he is picked on Wednesday and hope that I’m wrong but it shouldn’t be an option in my view.
shepardo01
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No way second was 50-50.
Kitching did everything right, Collins created a situation that should never have been created - nothing Kitching could do.
People who are saying that he should have booted it clear, at the point where that situation was the preferred one, there was no way he could do it as Collins was on top of him.
All Collins work.
steve cooper
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Exactly, if Kitching had attempted a clearance it would have hit Collins, if he had managed to head it, it would have gone past Collins and been an easy finish for a Burnley forward. Kitching had virtually no chance of clearing that. By contrast Collins had a chance to put in row Z.
lord_garrincha
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They were VERY afraid... it's taken multiple errors in matches for him to be dropped.
You play your best keeper on the balance of form & probability... not on what Leeds have done.
unfortunately we haven’t got a “ best keeper “ wev‘e got a choice of who’s not as bad as the other, Collins has had a nightmare in his last 2 starts, can’t keep him in
Mucca Mad Boys
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I don’t think the coaching staff will look at it that way!
He could’ve hacked it clear and was unaware of the runner. We all know Collins’ faults for the goal so I won’t labour on… One of them should and could have made a decision and neither player did. MVE could’ve also blocked off Anthony a bit better too.
It was just a disaster of a goal to concede against a team that concedes so few goals.
The problem is, he's an accident waiting to happen. You give him one more game to "recover" he has nothing to do and keeps a clean sheets, then it's ANOTHER game he'll play, where he has plenty to do and plenty to fuck up. It just goes on in a never ending cycle. Enough is enough. I highly doubt he'll be at the club next season, amd if he is what is he doing in training that we don't see? Cut ties, he's done. Good luck for the future but sentiment got nobody promoted, picking your best possible 11 does.
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Otis
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Yeah, I don't see it as 50/50.
Thing is, Kitching couldn't see what was behind him, yet Collins could see everything in front of him.
When the keeper comes out like that, you expect him to take control in that situation.
Kitching wasn't innocent by a long chalk, but the blame was definitely pointing in Collins' direction, as the major contributing factor, there.
robbiethemole
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Normally the fucker doesn't come off his line, yesterday the twat was outside his box, Absolutely hopeless
His last 2 starts he’s been at fault for 4 goals, that should make bringing Wilson back in a cert if he’s fit? Seemed to be warming up ok ?
shepardo01
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They will because it was obvious that Collins decision fucked everything up.
MVE did a blocking job on Anthony, right up to the point of Kitching heading the ball back.
Watch the replay - his job was done.
But as we know, at that point, Collins fuckery happened, he got in the way of everything,
Kicked the ball against his own standing leg, with it then dropping to Anthony.
If you are Kitching and MVE, there is just no expectation that that kind of shit will happen!
shepardo01
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Said it before - as sad as it is for Dovin, football moves on.
A new #1 will absolutely be on the shopping list, even if a loan.
rob9872
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What I don't understand is the notion that Wilson is a bad keeper. It keeps getting quoted on here. He has deficiencies, mainly in distribution which I appreciate is a modern attribute that most look for, personally I'm a dinosaur who prefers his keeper to stop the ball going into the goal. The two arguments most levelled at him are that he's spent most of his career as a number 2 which can't be refuted but that's true of other decent keepers and the second is that the 22 clean sheets in the Golden Glove season were all down to the defence and you'd think he didn't have a save to make in those games.
Wilson then made a couple of bad mistakes at the start of last season and was rightly dropped for them, although there was no way we'd signed Collins not to play, so it was almost as if we were waiting for an option to drop him, so we could play Collins. I never saw enough in Collins even last season to suggest he was an upgrade but it seemed many were so ready to accept him that they refuse to admit they were wrong about Wilson. So many didnt even give him credit during that incredible run at the end of 22/23 and the goal without which we don't make the play-offs was a huge bonus.
I'm not suggesting he's Gordon Banks but he's perfectly adequate to step into Dovin's shoes at present until he's fit again and his confidence and enthusiasm to not let things affect him will be a huge plus. Even before Portsmouth this season I was saying that if any 2 of Binks, Dasilva or Collins play then we need to score 3 if we're to get anything out of the game.
Wilson then made a couple of bad mistakes at the start of last season and was rightly dropped for them, although there was no way we'd signed Collins not to play, so it was almost as if we were waiting for an option to drop him, so we could play Collins. I never saw enough in Collins even last season to suggest he was an upgrade but it seemed many were so ready to accept him that they refuse to admit they were wrong about Wilson. So many didnt even give him credit during that incredible run at the end of 22/23 and the goal without which we don't make the play-offs was a huge bonus.
I'm not suggesting he's Gordon Banks but he's perfectly adequate to step into Dovin's shoes at present until he's fit again and his confidence and enthusiasm to not let things affect him will be a huge plus. Even before Portsmouth this season I was saying that if any 2 of Binks, Dasilva or Collins play then we need to score 3 if we're to get anything out of the game.
torchomatic
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Whomever Frank Lampard chooses will be in goal. He knows the players a billion times better than we do. He knows their character, the way they train. We don't. We have our opinions but they matter very little at the end of the day.
torchomatic
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Wasn't too long ago that some on here were also saying Dovin wasn't good enough.
rob9872
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Not seen too much of that, but if so it's really short-sighted. He's only 21 or 22 which is tremendously young for a keeper. I want him here being or number 1 for the next 10 years. He still has lots of things to improve on but a really really high ceiling imo and if he can get fit then I think he could go on to be a big name in the game.
I said fairly early on that he was a definite upgrade on anything we've had in recent years in terms of his potential. He'll even continue learning about positionally and getting stronger, more confident, more vocal whilst he's out as he'll continue to mature. I'm sure he'll make mistakes too and that's ok, and I think if he can learn a bit of what Wilson has in character he'll be even better.
torchomatic
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Totally agree. I remember the Watford away game in particular where he was great. He is a real find. It's a bugger he's going to be out for so long, but he's young and like you I can see him being our keeper (if we can keep hold of him) for a decade or so. He's class.
robbiethemole
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All we need is a keeper who keeps the ball out of the net!
Wilson does this part quite well, so he has to start imo
Wilson does this part quite well, so he has to start imo