Why do some people support sisu and acl not the team and fans? (1 Viewer)

MichaelCCFC · Oct 8, 2013

Just posted at https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInCovCampaign/posts/533562210057631

Why do some people support sisu and acl not the team and fans?

I have always said only two things matter: the team and us supporters, and I've never understood why lots of people have got into being either pro acl or pro sisu. The last few days have been a great example with the very strange episode of acl suing NTFC which left most fans wondering what that was all about but acl supporters defended it 100%. Now it's the sisu supporters saying the Ricoh should be sold to sisu. Really? Are we all supposed to forget the selling of so many players, lack of investment, relegation to the third tier, complete disregard for fans in moving to Northampton, failing to file accounts and what about the promises of a new stadium? Only two things matter – the team and the fans not supporting acl or sisu!!

torchomatic · Oct 8, 2013

Don't agree with you very often, but I do on this.

covcity4life · Oct 8, 2013

well said chap

blueflint · Oct 8, 2013

torchomatic said:
Don't agree with you very often, but I do on this.

why have your and its ACL signature at the bottom of all your posts then

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 8, 2013

blueflint said:
why have your and its ACL signature at the bottom of all your posts then

You mean the one that ends CCFC not ACL?

blueflint · Oct 8, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
You mean the one that ends CCFC not ACL?

yep its there tho so why not just put ccfc and leave it at that or even ACL and SISU not ccfc

Delboycov · Oct 8, 2013

Being pro or anti SISU/ACL has very little to do with not supporting the team Michael....It is possible to be vehemently opposed to the way the club is being run and having sympathy for the position of one of the groups without it meaning you don't support the team or the fans. Our club has been all but been destroyed by money men from all sides without a care for the feelings of the fans or the future of CCFC so a little surprised you've never understood why anyone would be against them! *edit...or pro them for that matter!*

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 8, 2013

blueflint said:
yep its there tho so why not just put ccfc and leave it at that or even ACL and SISU not ccfc

Because he's making the point that people should support the team, the same point that MichaelCCFC is making in fact?

cochese · Oct 8, 2013

MichaelCCFC said:
Just posted at https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInCovCampaign/posts/533562210057631

Why do some people support sisu and acl not the team and fans?

I have always said only two things matter: the team and us supporters, and I've never understood why lots of people have got into being either pro acl or pro sisu. The last few days have been a great example with the very strange episode of acl suing NTFC which left most fans wondering what that was all about but acl supporters defended it 100%. Now it's the sisu supporters saying the Ricoh should be sold to sisu. Really? Are we all supposed to forget the selling of so many players, lack of investment, relegation to the third tier, complete disregard for fans in moving to Northampton, failing to file accounts and what about the promises of a new stadium? Only two things matter – the team and the fans not supporting acl or sisu!!

Rather than writing an epic reply I might get round to e-emailing you at some point as you suggested yesterday. But one of the reasons I've found it difficult to back supporters protests, be it against ACL or SISU, is the negativity that it generates supporting the team. Even at the Ricoh, when the team went behind, it was hardly inspiring to hear noisy chants of "we want SISU" out when the team would surely benefit more from actual positive football chants. I'd be much more inclined to support a more positive campaign.

Nick · Oct 8, 2013

torchomatic said:
Don't agree with you very often, but I do on this.

Exactly the same we just need to get everybody thinking that!

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 8, 2013

Delboycov said:
Being pro or anti SISU/ACL has very little to do with not supporting the team Michael....It is possible to be vehemently opposed to the way the club is being run and having sympathy for the position of one of the groups without it meaning you don't support the team or the fans. Our club has been all but been destroyed by money men from all sides without a care for the feelings of the fans or the future of CCFC so a little surprised you've never understood why anyone would be against them!

Yeah, while I'm here...

Guess it depends how you take it. If you take his message literally, then of course it's possible to support the team by being critical of particular actions by the people involved. As Michael mentions in fact, ACL's suing of Northampton and SISU's failing to file accounts are two fine examples! Being critical of both can make you still supporting the team and the fans.

Take it on a wider context, and blindly supporting or criticising the actions of one side or the other regardless of what they do, however, is surely supporting one side rather than the team? Even SISU can still do some things 'right', and ACL some things 'wrong' after all.

Delboycov · Oct 8, 2013

I think I probably did take the post too literally NW...it's early and my brain doesn't start to function properly until at least 3.00pm! I still don't see how supporting one stance or another means you're not supporting the team as well though.

lewys33 · Oct 8, 2013

blueflint said:
why have your and its ACL signature at the bottom of all your posts then

I find his little song about ACL quite amusing 2bh.

dongonzalos · Oct 8, 2013

MichaelCCFC said:
Just posted at https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInCovCampaign/posts/533562210057631

Why do some people support sisu and acl not the team and fans?

I have always said only two things matter: the team and us supporters, and I've never understood why lots of people have got into being either pro acl or pro sisu. The last few days have been a great example with the very strange episode of acl suing NTFC which left most fans wondering what that was all about but acl supporters defended it 100%. Now it's the sisu supporters saying the Ricoh should be sold to sisu. Really? Are we all supposed to forget the selling of so many players, lack of investment, relegation to the third tier, complete disregard for fans in moving to Northampton, failing to file accounts and what about the promises of a new stadium? Only two things matter – the team and the fans not supporting acl or sisu!!

I find SISU more culpable than ACL/council in this whole sorry saga.

I think ACL suing Northampton was as futile as the JR. Both are expensive and doomed for failure.

I am struggling to find anyone who defended ACL suing Northampton 100%.

Can the OP or anyone who completely agrees with him for that matter enlighten me please?

Also can't see how having an opinion over who is more culpable affects your support for the team?

Can that logic be explained?

If you feel ACL are more responsible or SISU

Does that mean you don't jump up and down when Cov score?

Godiva · Oct 8, 2013

MichaelCCFC said:
Just posted at https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInCovCampaign/posts/533562210057631

Why do some people support sisu and acl not the team and fans?

I have always said only two things matter: the team and us supporters, and I've never understood why lots of people have got into being either pro acl or pro sisu. The last few days have been a great example with the very strange episode of acl suing NTFC which left most fans wondering what that was all about but acl supporters defended it 100%. Now it's the sisu supporters saying the Ricoh should be sold to sisu. Really? Are we all supposed to forget the selling of so many players, lack of investment, relegation to the third tier, complete disregard for fans in moving to Northampton, failing to file accounts and what about the promises of a new stadium? Only two things matter – the team and the fans not supporting acl or sisu!!

I agree with most. One question though, how do you best support the team?

skybluebeduff · Oct 8, 2013

I'd say 95% of us support Coventry City, but ACL and SISU have worked hard in ensuring we can't even do that anymore.

torchomatic · Oct 8, 2013

There's nothing pro about my signature for either side. CCFC for me.

blueflint said:
why have your and its ACL signature at the bottom of all your posts then

torchomatic · Oct 8, 2013

I don't think anyone would think that ACL were more culpable than SISU. However, there are many who lay no blame at the door of ACL. Personally, I blame both - lion's share obviously at SISUs door.

I would be fine with SISU getting the Ricoh as that looks like the only way we will return from Northampton. I also think it would make the club more attractive for when SISU eventually leave.

I agree with Michael that fans shouldn't support ACL or SISU, just CCFC. I find all the sycophantic backing of ACL and PWKH, "oh thank you PWKH. Your words are beautiful and I love you, etc etc" rather than the club strange.

SISU were stupid to stop paying the rent and moving us out of the City. ACL were equally stupid (regardless of what PWKH and others say) for loading the rent so much that a team of our standing was always going to struggle - as evidenced back in December 2005 when Robinson tried to re-negotiate the rent. Hence, why I think both sides should shoulder some blame in this.

dongonzalos said:
I find SISU more culpable than ACL/council in this whole sorry saga.

I think ACL suing Northampton was as futile as the JR. Both are expensive and doomed for failure.

I am struggling to find anyone who defended ACL suing Northampton 100%.

Can the OP or anyone who completely agrees with him for that matter enlighten me please?

Also can't see how having an opinion over who is more culpable affects your support for the team?

Can that logic be explained?

If you feel ACL are more responsible or SISU

Does that mean you don't jump up and down when Cov score?

dongonzalos · Oct 8, 2013

Torch thanks for the reply, most of what you say makes sense.

However the Op suggests two main points

Fans were backing ACL suing Northampton 100%

(Where does he get this from)

If you feel one side is more culpable than the other in this sorry saga you are somehow choosing that side over the team.

( I would suggest the majority of people would find it completely separate to their support if the team)

Even those who are sacrificing seeing their team. Do it as they think it is best thing long term for their team. Ie they are putting their team and trying to get it back to Coventry over their own need to watch the team.

You personally think the quickest way that will happen is if the council sell the Ricoh.

For that to happen you need SISU negotiating on a sensible negotiating level. Pressure needs to be put on SISU for them to negotiate.

"I will buy it at my price" just won't cut it

Nick · Oct 8, 2013

There was a post yesterday where somebody said to have the Sheff U game on at the Ricoh so ACL could get one up over the club.... random?

Cheshire Sky Blue · Oct 8, 2013

cochese said:
Rather than writing an epic reply I might get round to e-emailing you at some point as you suggested yesterday. But one of the reasons I've found it difficult to back supporters protests, be it against ACL or SISU, is the negativity that it generates supporting the team. Even at the Ricoh, when the team went behind, it was hardly inspiring to hear noisy chants of "we want SISU" out when the team would surely benefit more from actual positive football chants. I'd be much more inclined to support a more positive campaign.

Good idea. What would your more positive campaign be?

blueflint · Oct 8, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Because he's making the point that people should support the team, the same point that MichaelCCFC is making in fact?

it appears that he supports SISU with the way its put i support neither but do support coventry city f c when they are in coventry

Nick · Oct 8, 2013

blueflint said:
it appears that he supports SISU with the way its put i support neither but do support coventry city f c when they are in coventry

So when they play in Northampton you aren't fussed? Then when they go to an away ground with the same players do you support them?

blueflint · Oct 8, 2013

Nick said:
So when they play in Northampton you aren't fussed? Then when they go to an away ground with the same players do you support them?

no nick you missed my point completely i support city will not support playing home games anywhere else but coventry thats my point

hill83 · Oct 8, 2013

I'm not sure many people do support Sisu. I've been called a Sisu supporter on here many times, when in fact all I try/like doing is picking faults in peoples posts. The majority of which are 100% no holds barred anti Sisu

In the real world I still support the team, go to away games, (I've been to one home game) and listen on the radio. It's as simple as that.

covcity4life · Oct 8, 2013

yup,still maintain no such thing as pro sisu fan, but lots of pro acl

PUSB!!!!!!!!!

lewys33 · Oct 8, 2013

covcity4life said:
yup,still maintain no such thing as pro sisu fan, but lots of pro acl

PUSB!!!!!!!!!

wow ...... really?? there is no pro-anything is there? I will happily admit in the heat of the moment I have branded people pro-sisu but the reality is its more
anti-sisu or anti-acl.

wes_cov · Oct 8, 2013

covcity4life said:
yup,still maintain no such thing as pro sisu fan, but lots of pro acl

PUSB!!!!!!!!!

Don't think any party have come out of this mess with much credibility but i'm also not sure its so much pro SISU or pro ACL more ANTI either. But all the negativity isn't going to help IMHO but equally i know not what will help except supporting the team.

covcity4life · Oct 8, 2013

lewys33 said:
wow ...... really?? there is no pro-anything is there? I will happily admit in the heat of the moment I have branded people pro-sisu but the reality is its more
anti-sisu or anti-acl.

pro or anti its a very sad state of affairs

i just wanna be anti cov

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO JOHN FLECK YOUR SO FAT

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LEON CLARKE YOU JUST MISSED A CHANCE,I AM GOING TO FORGET YOUR GOAL SCORING RECORD AND CALL YOU A DONKEY,YOU ARE NO DAVID MCGOLDRICK! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OMG WE PASSED THE BALL BACKWARDS AND RETAINED POSSESSION,BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, GET IT FORWARD!

bring back the good ol days of the ricoh.

lewys33 · Oct 8, 2013

I miss the days of Kevin Kyle. No matter how crap he was, I will always forgive him for that last minute header at QPR away.

covcity4life · Oct 8, 2013

lewys33 said:
I miss the days of Kevin Kyle. No matter how crap he was, I will always forgive him for that last minute header at QPR away.

kyle was treated like shit by fans, a low point for fanbase imo

was that when we had red away kit? loved that one.

lewys33 · Oct 8, 2013

I agree. That is 1 thing I have always hated being a Cov fan is all the stick players are given. If i remember correctly it was the red away kit yes.

lewys33 · Oct 8, 2013

Have we just been talking ........... about football?

Covstu · Oct 8, 2013

I think this thread highlights that we all want the same thing, we are all city supporters simply want to watch our team like we used too. Whether at the moment you choose to watch them in N'ton doesnt make you pro SISU, its just the fact that you simply want to watch your team play! Supporters approaches are clearly manifesting in different ways but we all want the same thing sadly the reality of the situation is that we are reliant on the two parties in question, which sucks ass!

Covstu · Oct 8, 2013

covcity4life said:
kyle was treated like shit by fans, a low point for fanbase imo

was that when we had red away kit? loved that one.

He didnt help himself though did he??

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