Why more revenue will be needed (1 Viewer)

Grendel · May 19, 2016

This seems just off the press but looks like it has real momentum.

It means less matches so less income and potentially with 7 teams relegated from the championship makes promotion to it almost irrelevant. Teams coming down will be richer and more powerful.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mi...w-football-league-proposal-could-8008201.amp#

Brylowes · May 19, 2016

Grendel said:
This seems just off the press but looks like it has real momentum.

It means less matches so less income and potentially with 7 teams relegated from the championship makes promotion to it almost irrelevant. Teams coming down will be richer and more powerful.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mi...w-football-league-proposal-could-8008201.amp#

Better book a bigger burger van for the butts, seriously though that's a lot of change
to take in. Rangers & Celtic will make it to the EPL one day, two proper big city clubs
with massive fan base and tradition, would be right up there with the Liverpool's & UTD's
IMHO

Samo · May 19, 2016

Where would a leave vote at the next Scottish Referendum leave them if they had joined the English league?

RegTheDonk · May 19, 2016

It needs 90% of the members to vote it in. What carrot would be dangled to ensure enough would accept it?

jas365 · May 19, 2016

It will never happen as UEFA would not allow them to play in another country, unless the Scottish League as a whole became an amateur league

ccfc92 · May 19, 2016

jas365 said:
It will never happen as UEFA would not allow them to play in another country, unless the Scottish League as a whole became an amateur league

Became?

jas365 · May 19, 2016

ccfc92 said:
Became?

I was expecting that!!

chiefdave · May 19, 2016

jas365 said:
It will never happen as UEFA would not allow them to play in another country, unless the Scottish League as a whole became an amateur league

The Scots won't have an olympic GB team as they think it will lead to UEFA and FIFA forcing a GB national team so I can't see them signing up to this.

Grendel · May 19, 2016

chiefdave said:
The Scots won't have an olympic GB team as they think it will lead to UEFA and FIFA forcing a GB national team so I can't see them signing up to this.

Maybe not but if the proposal happens it won't be great for us as league one will inherit 7 championship teams in one hit.

chiefdave · May 19, 2016

Can't really see the point of expanding the league and having less revenue per club when so many teams are struggling financially. If anything you want less teams.

Nobody in their right mind would come up with anything like the structure we have now if they were starting from scratch.

RegTheDonk · May 19, 2016

Grendel said:
Maybe not but if the proposal happens it won't be great for us as league one will inherit 7 championship teams in one hit.

By that logic, would that also mean about 8 relegations from L1 at once? That would be a bigger worry than not getting promoted.

ccfcway · May 19, 2016

no chance

only needs 7 championship clubs to vote no and it wont happen, as clearly, reading that, Bradford will say no.

Would be like a turkey voting for xmas for at least the bottom 10 championship clubs

nothing to see here

Grendel · May 19, 2016

ccfcway said:
no chance

only needs 7 championship clubs to vote no and it wont happen, as clearly, reading that, Bradford will say no.

Would be like a turkey voting for xmas for at least the bottom 10 championship clubs

nothing to see here

Fair enough. I'm sure you've got the inside track even though it's running in every national newspaper as a distinct possibility.

Better close the thread.

Let's come back in three weeks.

tisza · May 19, 2016

reducing midweek games is a plus point. often the lower crowds mean clubs are less likely to even breakeven on these games. a quick glance seems our average crowd for home midweek games this season was down by about 2.500-3000 from saturday games..
could reduce size of playing squads - better use of resources.
the notion of it strengthening English international football is ludicrous.

Hobo · May 19, 2016

Grendel said:
Fair enough. I'm sure you've got the inside track even though it's running in every national newspaper as a distinct possibility.

Better close the thread.

Let's come back in three weeks.

I am sure Celtic and Rangers joining English Leagues was being discussed it the late 1970's?

ccfcway · May 19, 2016

Grendel said:
Fair enough. I'm sure you've got the inside track even though it's running in every national newspaper as a distinct possibility.

Better close the thread.

Let's come back in three weeks.

its always 3 weeks

ccfcway · May 19, 2016

Grendel said:
Fair enough. I'm sure you've got the inside track even though it's running in every national newspaper as a distinct possibility..

how did this one go, as it was in every paper as well

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...mission-greg-dyke-league-three-non-eu-players

Grendel · May 19, 2016

ccfcway said:
how did this one go, as it was in every paper as well

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...mission-greg-dyke-league-three-non-eu-players

That it then case closed.

Time to look at a Portsmouth thread.

ccfcway · May 19, 2016

Grendel said:
That it then case closed.

Time to look at a Portsmouth thread.

I like you on this new site

ccfcway · May 19, 2016

Accrington owner Andrew Holt said it had "no merit",

so, they only need 6 more

jas365 · May 19, 2016

Hobo said:
I am sure Celtic and Rangers joining English Leagues was being discussed it the late 1970's?

As i said, UEFA will just block it. Cardiff and Swansea are allowed as the Welsh League is amateur, but if the league is professional they won't allow it.

ccfcway · May 19, 2016

Rotherham chairman Tony Stewart said he was concerned the proposal could widen existing financial gulfs between the divisions

chiefdave · May 19, 2016

Seems to be a fair bit of opposition early on. Will be tough going to get enough votes.

ccfcway · May 19, 2016

grendal seems to think it has a chance, but I can only see 2 teams say "it has merit" and 3 against.

hardly a decent percentage, considering they need 90%

Sumo the Micky Quinn · May 19, 2016

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36335384

The football league are having discussions to decide, whether to have an extra division in 2018-19.

Basically they want to increase the football league from 92 teams to 100 teams, allowing 5 divisions of 20 teams.

This is to help prevent fixture congestion, less midweek games, but bad news for clubs relying on 23 home incomes in the lower divisions would only get just 19 home games.

It's not known if the teams will come from the conference league, or B teams or even Rangers & Celtic allowed to take the spaces, All proposals being discussed.

90% of the 92 clubs have to agree the proposal.

ccfcway · May 19, 2016

the top teams in the conference will vote yes

the top teams in league one may vote yes as they want to be in championship long term

the championship teams on the whole will vote no, in the same way that if we reduced the premier league to 16 teams, how many of them would vote yes ?

Covstu · May 20, 2016

I have no issue in having 20 teams, it's a gruelling season for all involved. The 7 team movement is daft, you look at the bottom 7 of the championship this season, do you really think they are going to go for that? Equally we wouldn't want to compete with those lot to get promoted!
The B teams is just daft and handing even more power to the premier league, I disagree with rangers and Celtic too. Look at the damage that Rangers had when they left that league, revenues for all clubs dropped massively and as a result had teams like hearts, hibs, Dundee United relegated. This would be the death of Scottish football.

CCFC88 · May 20, 2016

ccfcway said:
the top teams in the conference will vote yes

the top teams in league one may vote yes as they want to be in championship long term

the championship teams on the whole will vote no, in the same way that if we reduced the premier league to 16 teams, how many of them would vote yes ?

Would teams at the top of the conference get a vote, someone said 90% of the 92 was required?

Sumo the Micky Quinn · May 20, 2016

CCFC88 said:
Would teams at the top of the conference get a vote, someone said 90% of the 92 was required?

Sorry typing error above.
The vote would be 90% from just the 72 Football league Clubs.
If approved then would have to go to a meeting amongst the conference clubs for their discussion and approval.

According to todays telegraph this is how the league could have looked like next season.

Championship
(Burnley, Middlesbrough up) (+ Aston Villa, Newcastle United, Norwich City) Brighton, Hull City, Derby County, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich Town, Cardiff City, Brentford, Birmingham, Preston North End, QPR, Leeds, Wolves, Blackburn, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Bristol City, Huddersfield, Fulham.

League One
Rotherham, Charlton, MK Dons, Bolton, Wigan, Burton, Walsall, Millwall, Bradford City, Barnsley, Scunthorpe, Coventry City, Gillingham, Rochdale, Sheffield United, Port Vale, Peterborough, Bury, Southend, Swindon.

League Two
Oldham, Chesterfield, Fleetwood, Shrewsbury, Doncaster, Blackpool, Colchester, Crewe, Northampton, Oxford, Bristol Rovers, Accrington Stanley, Plymouth, Portsmouth, AFC Wimbledon, Leyton Orient, Cambridge United, Carlisle, Luton, Mansfield.

League Three
Wycombe, Exeter, Barnet, Hartlepool, Notts County, Stevenage, Yeovil, Crawley, Morecambe, Newport County, Dagenham & Redbridge, York, Cheltenham, Forest Green, Braintree, Grimsby, Dover, Tranmere, Eastleigh, Wrexham.

So bad news for Wigan, Burton, Northampton etc. no promotion.

However when the Premier went from 22 to 20 in 1995, 4 went down 2 came up.
Championship I would assume would alter by 5 down just 1 up.

ccfcway · May 23, 2016

Barrow chairman Paul Casson.:

"Simply awful. This is clearly the proposal of someone completely out of touch with grassroots English football and in thrall of the elite clubs. A reduction of potential revenue through less games, a further diminution of the FA Cup to a midweek competition, and absolutely no perceived benefit to any club below the top half of the Championship. I had to check it wasn't 1 April,"

Gazolba · May 23, 2016

ccfcway said:
Barrow chairman Paul Casson.:

<snip> A reduction of potential revenue through less games<snip>

There won't be any reduction in revenue because ticket prices will go up to account for it. It will be just like buying stuff at the supermarket where the box is the same size but there is less inside it.

chiefdave · May 23, 2016

Gazolba said:
There won't be any reduction in revenue because ticket prices will go up to account for it. It will be just like buying stuff at the supermarket where the box is the same size but there is less inside it.

Prices go up, less people go. Our season tickets are £7 more than they were 10 years ago and people are having a fit!

ccfcway · May 23, 2016

chiefdave said:
Prices go up, less people go. Our season tickets are £7 more than they were 10 years ago and people are having a fit!

in theory, the product was better 10 years ago, we were not in League One

Grendel · May 23, 2016

ccfcway said:
in theory, the product was better 10 years ago, we were not in League One

My season ticket is £150 cheaper than it was in the championship.

ccfcway · May 23, 2016

Grendel said:
My season ticket is £150 cheaper than it was in the championship.

good. We should be paying less in League One.

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