why the great escape is possible (2 Viewers)

skybluesam66 · Jan 29, 2012

The greatest ever escape !

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1984-1985/table/1985-05-14

ccfcway · Jan 29, 2012

really ???

that season we were 8 points behind with 3 games in hand (if you look at at the goal difference)

We are down, its that simple

skybluesam66 · Jan 29, 2012

agreed - especially with the ;ast game against the run away champions

ccfcway · Jan 29, 2012

oh, and at that point, we were only 2 away wins behind 6th place chelsea..

This season we havent won ONE

Sky Blue Sheepy · Jan 29, 2012

Very do-able. We've got to play Ipswich and Doncaster at home and we can start picking up points away

ccfcway · Jan 29, 2012

lol

i used to share the disillusion...

come the end of the seaon we will be miles behind..

Damage is done, was pre season when we didnt strengthen...

SISU left it too late

kg82 · Jan 29, 2012

I wouldn't say it's over till it's actually over. By the end of February we'll have a better idea. This coming month is crucial. I'm not "deluded", I just think we'll have a much better idea then - we can, potentially, give ourselves a very real chance of survival this month.

MatthewWallis · Jan 29, 2012

skybluesam66 said:
agreed - especially with the ;ast game against the run away champions

Run away champions who are 2nd.

Otis · Jan 29, 2012

Sky Blue Sheepy said:
Very do-able. We've got to play Ipswich and Doncaster at home and we can start picking up points away

IF we can start picking up points away. This has proved our downfall this season. Our away form drasically and I mean drastically, needs to improve. Are our record this season is absolutely dreadful.

duckncover · Jan 29, 2012

Not over til it says R next to our name.

Macca · Jan 29, 2012

MatthewWallis said:
Run away champions who are 2nd.

That point was as badly missed as a jukebox penalty

smileycov · Jan 29, 2012

I can't understand why so many have just given up? We are only 6 points, that is 2 wins away from 4th bottom, Ipswich whom we play at home next weekend. We only have to better the results of the teams immediatly around us, which with our home form we are doing. It is hard buit not impossible, plenty of games to go. I will look at March and see then where we sit, IMO it will look a lot rosier.

Stevec189 · Jan 29, 2012

The thing that season was we picked up 14 points away from home and won 4 times. Now if we could pick up 4 away wins we would have a ral chance - as it stands we are realing on othr teams not putting a run together as well!

Gaz · Jan 29, 2012

Well it doesn't look good for us this season, but we sure as hell ain't down yet.
We just need to go on a run of good results like Bristol did.

mark82 · Jan 29, 2012

Are we not 8 points behind Ipswich?

We can stay up if we all get behind the team. We are playing well at the moment. Let's see where we are in a month.

smileycov · Jan 29, 2012

18Watford275451920256919-1130
19Bristol City2843612154381323-1330
20Millwall2755417162381019-829
21Ipswich2751720223381832-1628
22Nott'm Forest2732911244181120-2224
23Doncaster27454101220121333-2223
24Coventry2754517150310621-1322

I think too expect anyone above Watford to be so poor we can defo catch them is pushing the loyalty boundary lol. Still very achievable though, no one else is performing consistently yet, and home form for us is good.....so far!

Otis · Jan 29, 2012

smileycov said:
18Watford275451920256919-113019Bristol City2843612154381323-133020Millwall2755417162381019-82921Ipswich2751720223381832-162822Nott'm Forest2732911244181120-222423Doncaster27454101220121333-222324Coventry2754517150310621-1322

Any chance of editing that? You've just given me a migraine.

torchomatic · Jan 29, 2012

Yes, I remember that season well. I used to sit in the West End in those days. You could just about see the games through the fence!

skybluesam66 said:
The greatest ever escape !

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1984-1985/table/1985-05-14

torchomatic · Jan 29, 2012

Now, this is the attitude I don't get. We're not down until it's mathematically impossible to stay up, we've had three good home wins on the trot, got a great striker in on loan and just given our best performance of the season.

Is it going to be hard? Yes. Why give up without a fight. If the fans can't be arsed and have already given up, then why should be expect the players to give a fuck?

ccfcway said:
really ???

We are down, its that simple

Gaz · Jan 29, 2012

My EYES !!

smileycov said:
18Watford275451920256919-1130
19Bristol City2843612154381323-1330
20Millwall2755417162381019-829
21Ipswich2751720223381832-1628
22Nott'm Forest2732911244181120-2224
23Doncaster27454101220121333-2223
24Coventry2754517150310621-1322

I think too expect anyone above Watford to be so poor we can defo catch them is pushing the loyalty boundary lol. Still very achievable though, no one else is performing consistently yet, and home form for us is good.....so far!

smileycov · Jan 29, 2012

Otis said:
Any chance of editing that? You've just given me a migraine.

should have waited then lol

I'mARealWizard · Jan 29, 2012

gaz said:
My EYES !!

My fucking mobile number!

stupot07 · Jan 29, 2012

We need at least 48-50 points to stand a chance which means we need to pick up another 26-28 points in the last 19 games - that's at least 7/8 wins between now and the end of the season, which is top 6 form.

And we've got to hope that none of the 3/4 teams above us go on a good run.

I think it's important to note that although in the short term we have closed the gap to 6 points, we were 6 points away from safety 9/10 games ago so over the medium tern haven't closed the gap.

Our best chance is if portsmouth get points deducted.

smileycov · Jan 29, 2012

stupot07 said:
We need at least 48-50 points to stand a chance which means we need to pick up another 26-28 points in the last 19 games - that's at least 7/8 wins between now and the end of the season, which is top 6 form.

And we've got to hope that none of the 3/4 teams above us go on a good run.

I think it's important to note that although in the short term we have closed the gap to 6 points, we were 6 points away from safety 9/10 games ago so over the medium tern haven't closed the gap.

Our best chance is if portsmouth get points deducted.

we have won the last 3 at home, so is another 7 at home too much to ask for? i don't think so. 9/10 games ago we were aiming at 1 team outside the bottom3, there are now 5/6 teams to realistically catch, that IMO is the difference.

DannyBoy · Jan 29, 2012

skybluesam66 said:
The greatest ever escape !

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-one-old/1984-1985/table/1985-05-14

Hi Guys. New to the forum!

I remember this escape well. The final match was a sell out against newly crowned champions Everton. We played the game of the season (with even big Cyrille chasing lost causes!!!) with an awful lot of help from the fact Everton players had already started their holidays and couldn't be arsed!!

My memory fades, but I think it ended 4-1

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 29, 2012

stupot07 said:
We need at least 48-50 points to stand a chance which means we need to pick up another 26-28 points in the last 19 games - that's at least 7/8 wins between now and the end of the season, which is top 6 form.

And we've got to hope that none of the 3/4 teams above us go on a good run.

I think it's important to note that although in the short term we have closed the gap to 6 points, we were 6 points away from safety 9/10 games ago so over the medium tern haven't closed the gap.

Our best chance is if portsmouth get points deducted.

Not it is not 26-28 points averages around 1.35-1.45 points per game which is 62-66 points per season. Still a lot better than we have done for the previous 10 seasons or so but is not play off form.
I think we can do it but there is going to be a lot of must win games with the first Ipswich at home.

Otis · Jan 29, 2012

It's not impossible, but you have to say it is highly improbable.

I think we need at least 4 points out of the next two games to be honest. Blackpool away and Ipswich at home.

Next Championship matches are;

Tuesday, 31 January 2012

Hull v Doncaster, 19:45
Ipswich v West Ham, 19:45
Millwall v Watford, 19:45
Nott'm Forest v Burnley, 19:45
Blackpool v Coventry, 20:00

Saturday, 4 February 2012

West Ham v Millwall, 12:30
Bristol City v Leeds, 15:00
Coventry v Ipswich, 15:00
Doncaster v Reading, 15:00

Sunday, 5 February 2012
Derby v Nott'm Forest, 12:15

There is a chance if we get the 4+ points to make some ground, as our rivals have tough games too. If we lose both games we are surely gone.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jan 29, 2012

Otis said:
It's not impossible, but you have to say it is highly improbable.

I think we need at least 4 points out of the next two games to be honest. Blackpool away and Ipswich at home.

Next Championship matches are;

Tuesday, 31 January 2012

Hull v Doncaster, 19:45
Ipswich v West Ham, 19:45
Millwall v Watford, 19:45
Nott'm Forest v Burnley, 19:45
Blackpool v Coventry, 20:00

Saturday, 4 February 2012

West Ham v Millwall, 12:30
Bristol City v Leeds, 15:00
Coventry v Ipswich, 15:00
Doncaster v Reading, 15:00

Sunday, 5 February 2012
Derby v Nott'm Forest, 12:15

There is a chance if we get the 4+ points to make some ground, as our rivals have tough games too. If we lose both games we are surely gone.

We can afford to lose Blackpool as Ipswich will most likely lose to hammers but Ipswich is going to be a huge one. A win will put us most probably 3 points behind them and hopefully ahead of Donny and Forest.

Otis · Jan 29, 2012

Understand your point, but we really need to gain ground on those above. They are not all going to continue to struggle and it's odds on that Forest will have a bit of a run at some point, as will Millwall, Doncaster, Ipswich etc., just as Bristol City did.

We have to catch up quickly and we need a run too. A defeat at Blackpool just puts us back to square one. The only way we will get out of this is if we have an unbeaten run of games.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 29, 2012

Otis said:
Understand your point, but we really need to gain ground on those above. They are not all going to continue to struggle and it's odds on that Forest will have a bit of a run at some point, as will Millwall, Doncaster, Ipswich etc., just as Bristol City did.

We have to catch up quickly and we need a run too. A defeat at Blackpool just puts us back to square one. The only way we will get out of this is if we have an unbeaten run of games.

It's also worth noting that goal difference is stacked in our favour-a 9 goal swing on both Ipswich and Doncaster; so you could argue that's already a point made in itself.

ccfcway · Jan 29, 2012

torchomatic said:
Now, this is the attitude I don't get. We're not down until it's mathematically impossible to stay up, we've had three good home wins on the trot, got a great striker in on loan and just given our best performance of the season.

Is it going to be hard? Yes. Why give up without a fight. If the fans can't be arsed and have already given up, then why should be expect the players to give a fuck?

sorry, I think that should say "without any investment for the OWNERS, who gave up on survival before the seaosn started, why should the players expect to give a Fcuk ?.

skybluemole · Jan 29, 2012

Just wondering if we were 6 points off play offs would we still be saying we have no chance of that sixth position.:thinking about:

torchomatic · Jan 29, 2012

Well, that's fine then. Keep blaming the owners, keep moaning and SISU as I'm sure that will help. We can blame SISU until we are blue in the face, but we have a situation here and giving up isn't the way we'll get out of it.

Luckily, the players are giving a fuck and are actually trying to play football. They haven't given up and I applaud them for it.

ccfcway said:
sorry, I think that should say "without any investment for the OWNERS, who gave up on survival before the seaosn started, why should the players expect to give a Fcuk ?.

Covstu · Jan 29, 2012

I am strangely optimistic lately, we keep winning at home and we will be fine butbwe need fans up there like the boro game who had passion. Let's get behind the boys!

Otis · Jan 29, 2012

skybluemole said:
Just wondering if we were 6 points off play offs would we still be saying we have no chance of that sixth position.:thinking about:

Bit daft that. For if we were 6 points off 6th position that would then denote that we hadn't had a terrible season thus far and had won a lot more games.

Leshtur are 7 points behind 6th at the moment and have won 10 games, double the number we have won. If we'd won double the amount than we have I would be saying 6 points is entirely doable too.

6 points off 6th place shows that you don't have that bad a team. 6 points off 6th place, with 10 wins under your belt means you must fancy your chances against most teams in this division and retain a reasonable amout of confidence in your abilities and potential.

6 points adrift at the bottom means that you haven't been good enough, haven't won enough and confidence must be a lot lower than the teams at the other end of the league.

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