Wilder, Wise or A N Other the concerns... (1 Viewer)

Paxman II · Sep 3, 2012

Guess we should look at the prospects of our club if any of the names being mentioned arrive here to manage us?

Wise has 'big' club experience, was an inspirational player and has managed at this level well. He's not finished is hungry and has plenty of contacts in the game. He will be ambitious and command the respect of the players instantly. That's just a few points...

Wilder has had some 500 + games as a manager and has had very limited success so far aside from picking up an Oxford side who had nowhere else to go but up. He has no experience at a higher level in the game and in particular at a 'big' club. he has not acheived anything of note yet and would represent a shot in the dark and a very big gamble based on opinions that he is a young and hungry coach with a decent reputation so far at Oxford.

Shaw a former player and has worked as assistant coach at this level and is hungry for the job. Knows Coventry City inside out. Not afraid of the 'big' club appeal as to him it's just Coventry City. Still learning but has respect of everyone at CCFC.

Are any of those a distinctly better option than what we had already in Andy Thorn?
Are there better targets available?
The plight of CCFC is teetering on the edge. We MUST be looking for promotion THIS season or risk going to the wall. It's the last chance saloon.

If your mere existance depended on it would you appoint one of the above and if not who?

skyblueman · Sep 3, 2012

There's no time for any incoming manager to do a proper building job - we have to look likely to go up or we are finished - I am convinced administration is coming if we do not

For that reason we have to throw caution to the wind - for that reason I would go with best maximum impact candidate and that has to be Wise - we all think we have the players - no chance of changing them anyway - we need someone who will give them a good kick up the arse because WISE will care a great deal about how this reflects on him too

Last chance saloon for Cov and Wise as a manager - could be explosive combination - could be a train-wreck - won't be dull tho

wingy · Sep 3, 2012

May be a bit mad here Paxman but i reckon I'd spend whatever it takes on Di-Canio with the double whammy of totally screwing Swindons season,how many extra thousands would he put on the gate ,enough to pay the fee?:thinking about:

edit ; dont know whats going on with my PC ,but the post is'nt reading as i've typed.

CCFC_Charlie · Sep 3, 2012

You didn't mention any of the negatives that come with Wise...
Walked out on Swindon and Leeds at the drop of a hat, lack of commitment.
A lot of recent success came with the aid of Poyet, example, when Poyet left Leeds for Tottenham, Leeds began to drop
Been out of the game for four years, got less than a seasons experience at this level.
Did a lot of dodgy dealings behind the scenes at Newcastle, bought loads of players just to appease agents, only used YouTube clips as scouting

Some people seem so set of having Wise as manager that they ignore all the negatives surrounding him

smileycov · Sep 3, 2012

no to Di Canio, causes to many issues and problems! I want experienced manager that is still young enough to want to succeed, be nice to see the list of applicants .

CCFC_Charlie · Sep 3, 2012

Di Canio would 1. Never, ever come here and 2. Is a train wreck waiting to happen

Otis · Sep 3, 2012

It's not just as simple as choosing though is it unfortunately as fans. We don't see the whole picture.

We have no idea of the likes of Wise's wage demands and how much backing he would expect to get from the board.

We have no idea what sort of budget we are dealing with.

If it is about getting the best option we can get at the best pricepossible then the likes of Wilder would surely fit that criteria.

I would like Wise, but then temper that with that fact that this isn't Fantasy Football we are playing here, it's the real game. My head says that Wise would be out of our price range.

skyblueman · Sep 3, 2012

Otis said:
It's not just as simple as choosing though is it unfortunately as fans. We don't see the whole picture.

We have no idea of the likes of Wise's wage demands and how much backing he would expect to get from the board.

We have no idea what sort of budget we are dealing with.

If it is about getting the best option we can get at the best pricepossible then the likes of Wilder would surely fit that criteria.

I would like Wise, but then temper that with that fact that this isn't Fantasy Football we are playing here, it's the real game. My head says that Wise would be out of our price range.

Not sensible long-term football though is it Otis - I really don't think we have any time to play with - long term sensible option would be someone like Wilder - but I think it has to be someone who can do the best possible with what's available right NOW - squad, back-room all of it - there won't be any more money to buy players - if this squad can't take us up then it's game over.

ccfcway · Sep 3, 2012

CCFC_Charlie said:
Di Canio would 1. Never, ever come here and 2. Is a train wreck waiting to happen

laugusing in League Two 18 months ago, now, with a more than possible chance of going up again this season to the championship

now thats my kind of train wreck !

Otis · Sep 3, 2012

Not sensible long-term but we only have the money we have. This club will no longer gamble on our future. They will go for the best option they can get within their own strict budget.

skyblueman · Sep 3, 2012

Otis said:
Not sensible long-term but we only have the money we have. This club will no longer gamble on our future. They will go for the best option they can get within their own strict budget.

Really hope you are right Otis - I'd be happy with that approach for sure - I just worry SISU have targeted this year as their decider and have no interest in a long term re-building approach

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 3, 2012

Otis said:
It's not just as simple as choosing though is it unfortunately as fans. We don't see the whole picture.

We have no idea of the likes of Wise's wage demands and how much backing he would expect to get from the board.

We have no idea what sort of budget we are dealing with.

If it is about getting the best option we can get at the best pricepossible then the likes of Wilder would surely fit that criteria.

I would like Wise, but then temper that with that fact that this isn't Fantasy Football we are playing here, it's the real game. My head says that Wise would be out of our price range.

My thoughts entirely, just because Wise was reported as initially interested doesn't mean he would still want the job.

He may want money to spend and bring in his own players, he may want to bring in his own backroom staff. His wage demands may be too high or other problems could arise

CCFC_Charlie · Sep 3, 2012

ccfcway said:
laugusing in League Two 18 months ago, now, with a more than possible chance of going up again this season to the championship

now thats my kind of train wreck !

Constant media outbursts about his own players, and officials. It won't be long until his squad turns against him or he falls out with the board. Not even sure why we are discussing him as it's a complete no go.

Otis · Sep 3, 2012

Didn't he haul his keeper off after just 20 mins the other night?

Goalie was none too impressed and stormed down the tunnel.

Things like that can sow the seeds of dissent.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 3, 2012

Otis said:
Didn't he haul his keeper off after just 20 mins the other night?

Goalie was none too impressed and stormed down the tunnel.

Things like that can sow the seeds of dissent.

He is only 21 as well. If a manager at Cov did that he would be accused of bullying

Di Canio has said he refuses to play him until he has a public apology from the player

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19426397

Paxman II · Sep 3, 2012

Nobody has answered the question posed?

Otis you are saying Wise and Wilder in the same breath?
I don't actually think 'budget' has a whole lot to do with it frankly. They will need to do whatever it takes and if we did get an inspirational man at the helm such as Wise the gates would jump by 25% + for a few games at least.

Everyone says we have a darn good squad here for this season and is one if not the strongest so with that in mind can you really expect an experienced man down at this level would fail this time?

Wilder is not one I would be chasing. His time will come maybe but right now I would not risk him here.
Wise would not even be my pick either as i would try my hardest to bring someone like Curbishley here but he seems like a well reasoned choice given all our circumstances. The role demands a strong personality to be able to grab this football club by the scruff of the neck.
I think there are plenty of experienced options out there and i hope SISU don't cut their noses off to spite their face.

Otis · Sep 3, 2012

Paxman II said:
Nobody has answered the question posed?

Otis you are saying Wise and Wilder in the same breath?
I don't actually think 'budget' has a whole lot to do with it frankly. They will need to do whatever it takes and if we did get an inspirational man at the helm such as Wise the gates would jump by 25% + for a few games at least.

Everyone says we have a darn good squad here for this season and is one if not the strongest so with that in mind can you really expect an experienced man down at this level would fail this time?

Wilder is not one I would be chasing. His time will come maybe but right now I would not risk him here.
Wise would not even be my pick either as i would try my hardest to bring someone like Curbishley here but he seems like a well reasoned choice given all our circumstances. The role demands a strong personality to be able to grab this football club by the scruff of the neck.
I think there are plenty of experienced options out there and i hope SISU don't cut their noses off to spite their face.

Nope, what I am saying is that you may want to buy a car. You may want an Audi but can only afford a Skoda.

One is much cheaper but will still do the job you want it to do.

skyblueman · Sep 3, 2012

Paxman II said:
Nobody has answered the question posed?

Otis you are saying Wise and Wilder in the same breath?
I don't actually think 'budget' has a whole lot to do with it frankly. They will need to do whatever it takes and if we did get an inspirational man at the helm such as Wise the gates would jump by 25% + for a few games at least.

Everyone says we have a darn good squad here for this season and is one if not the strongest so with that in mind can you really expect an experienced man down at this level would fail this time?

Wilder is not one I would be chasing. His time will come maybe but right now I would not risk him here.
Wise would not even be my pick either as i would try my hardest to bring someone like Curbishley here but he seems like a well reasoned choice given all our circumstances. The role demands a strong personality to be able to grab this football club by the scruff of the neck.
I think there are plenty of experienced options out there and i hope SISU don't cut their noses off to spite their face.

Think I said Wise Paxman

Paxman II · Sep 3, 2012

Agreed Otis with the theory. However your emphasis on some kind of 'budget' being in place that restricts us at this clubs most urgent time of need I don't buy. They will have to do what it takes or we may not have a club come the end of this season as we know it at least.
managers contrary to belief do not command terrifically high wages. Their contracts are usually bonus based on performance. i.e. promotion, top 6, play off final, league position etc. Basic salary for lets just say Wise may be no more than lets say Carl Baker gets. If he cuts loose just one squad player he has made room for his own basic salary....

Otis · Sep 3, 2012

It's not just basic salary though Pax, it is also about the manager's demands to be backed once he is at the helm.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 3, 2012

Paxman II said:
Nobody has answered the question posed?

Otis you are saying Wise and Wilder in the same breath?
I don't actually think 'budget' has a whole lot to do with it frankly. They will need to do whatever it takes and if we did get an inspirational man at the helm such as Wise the gates would jump by 25% + for a few games at least.

Everyone says we have a darn good squad here for this season and is one if not the strongest so with that in mind can you really expect an experienced man down at this level would fail this time?

Wilder is not one I would be chasing. His time will come maybe but right now I would not risk him here.
Wise would not even be my pick either as i would try my hardest to bring someone like Curbishley here but he seems like a well reasoned choice given all our circumstances. The role demands a strong personality to be able to grab this football club by the scruff of the neck.
I think there are plenty of experienced options out there and i hope SISU don't cut their noses off to spite their face.

Curbishley rejected Wolves in February 2012 when they were a premiership team because he didn't agree with the owners views

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17112269

He isn't coming here, you are on cloud 9 if you think Curbishley is even a remote possibility

Paxman II · Sep 3, 2012

...said i would try my hardest to get him or if you like a similar person of stature. The fact you consider him a non starter for us shows the stature you hold him at?
As for Wolves being turned down.....we can't possibly know the circumstances can we? Maybe it was a footballing reason. It's should never be assumed money alone speaks. Prospects for a good manager here are premiership and the big bucks and that's why there are over 40 odd applicants. We already know Wise, Ince, Balckwell and others are among them...

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 3, 2012

Paxman II said:
As for Wolves being turned down.....we can't possibly know the circumstances can we? Maybe it was a footballing reason.

So you think we now are a better prospect for a manager than Wolves were 6 months ago?

It's should never be assumed money alone speaks. We already know Wise, Ince, Balckwell and others are among them...

And Curbishley is not among them...

Paxman II · Sep 3, 2012

As I said we don't know the circumstances? How is that being a better prospect in your eyes?

We don't know if Curbishley is among them.

Back to the original question then:

"Are any of those a distinctly better option than what we had already in Andy Thorn?
Are there better targets available?
The plight of CCFC is teetering on the edge. We MUST be looking for promotion THIS season or risk going to the wall. It's the last chance saloon.

If your mere existance depended on it would you appoint one of the above and if not who?"

Colonel Mustard · Sep 3, 2012

Paxman II said:
We don't know if Curbishley is among them.

You have to let Curbishley go, old man.

"Are any of those a distinctly better option than what we had already in Andy Thorn? Are there better targets available? If your mere existance depended on it would you appoint one of the above and if not who?"

Of course there are better options available. There is no guarantee that they will be hired, though. Really, nobody knows how an Ince, Wilder, Wise or Shaw would do. If I had to pick one, I'd probably go for Wise, just because he might galvanise the crowd for a while and/or stands a better chance of commanding the respect of the dressing room.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 3, 2012

Paxman II said:
As I said we don't know the circumstances? How is that being a better prospect in your eyes?

We don't know if Curbishley is among them.

Well what possible circumstances could make you reject an offer from Wolves and then accept one from Coventry in a short space of time?

If Curbishley had applied I am 99% sure it would have been reported just to get the fans excited and hopes up, he hasn't. I won't even entertain the idea that he is among the applicants

"Are any of those a distinctly better option than what we had already in Andy Thorn?
Are there better targets available?
The plight of CCFC is teetering on the edge. We MUST be looking for promotion THIS season or risk going to the wall. It's the last chance saloon.

If your mere existance depended on it would you appoint one of the above and if not who?"

I think it will be hard for anyone who comes in to do a much worse job.

Realistically I would like Wise, Dyche or Blackwell if we are looking at managers currently out of work.

I wouldn't be opposed to a lower league appointment but the fact that I know little about who would be coming in would stop me from being overly optimistic about the appointment. I like the sound of the Exeter manager Tisdale getting back to back promotions with a small budget and whilst Wilder statistically looks promising the Oxford fans seem to be split on him and some claiming he had the second or third biggest budget in the league last season
Without watching either sides team though I don't think I can't judge either fairly.
I would also like maybe Gary Johnson but am unsure as to weather he would want to join us.

Paxman II · Sep 3, 2012

CCFC we are finally broadly agreeing I see

As for Curbishley I don't relaistically expect him on our short list as I think he is still waiting (and perhaps foolishly to some extent) on a higher league maybe Premiership job in all honesty. I'd choose Coventry over Wolves any day! With Wolves it's a hiding to nothing as big Mick found out and with us you have everything to gain? Hmm see how we all analyse differently old chap!

stupot07 · Sep 3, 2012

We. Have. No. Money.

Sorry just had to get that off my chest

Paxman II · Sep 3, 2012

CCFC have little money.
SISU have money....they rarely want to spend any. The football club has to survive or they stand to lose 30m plus.
They will find the money or lose it all. Perspective is required.

Do you honestly believe we are chasing down a league 2 manager because we have no money and he is a very cheap option?

Many talk on here about being fooled by SISU's so called crap all the time but you are quite prepared to accept this one?

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