shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Stump is good. The missus was saying she likes English because literally any word can become an insult.
My mate called me a stump the other day, I found that quite amusing
LOL very trueStump is good. The missus was saying she likes English because literally any word can become an insult.
Unfortunately we appear to be breeding a country of bigots which is totally unhealthy. Have debate, have disagreements but listen to people’s views (with some exceptions ie when deeply intentionally offensive etc) and form your own judgement and respect that others will form theirs.
David Starkey next on the block, though harder to argue against.
David Starkey dropped by publisher and university positions after racist remarks
I would say I'm not entirely sure why you'd review his backlist in the light of those comments. They're either with academic merit... or not!
Was the main issue with his use of the term genocide?
Clearly the slave trade was hideous and wrong on SO many levels (and i do not support what he said or seemingly stands for), but i think he has a point - while there were many deaths, i'm not sure commoditisation and "ownership" of a human race is the same as genocide.
I do agree that it is semantics, but possibly correct by the exact accepted definition (see our earlier debate on Anti-semitism vs criticism of the actions of the Israeli state)
Article Two of the UN Convention on Genocide (1951) defines it as
"any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such":
I would have thought they would have included "enslavement" separately if they had intended it to be???
- Killing members of the group
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
Poor old Hutch......and I bet Huggy Bear is fuming
Was the main issue with his use of the term genocide?
Clearly the slave trade was hideous and wrong on SO many levels (and i do not support what he said or seemingly stands for), but i think he has a point - while there were many deaths, i'm not sure commoditisation and "ownership" of a human race is the same as genocide.
I do agree that it is semantics, but possibly correct by the exact accepted definition (see our earlier debate on Anti-semitism vs criticism of the actions of the Israeli state)
Article Two of the UN Convention on Genocide (1951) defines it as
"any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such":
I would have thought they would have included "enslavement" separately if they had intended it to be???
- Killing members of the group
- Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
- Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
- Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
- Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
I think the issue is more around him saying 'so many damn blacks'
The wife teaches History and said he’s always been known in the history community to be like this.David Starkey next on the block, though harder to argue against.
David Starkey dropped by publisher and university positions after racist remarks
The wife teaches History and said he’s always been known in the history community to be like this.
You mean me, Clint?could have saved himself a lot of time and effort!
You mean me, Clint?
Shoulda read his fucking quote, shouldn't i?
But would he have been right if he hadn't spoilt it with the last bit?? Slavery is not necessarily genocide?
He’s known to be one of the best scholars in his field. Outside of that he’s known for having quite controversial views.
If anyone is a bit of history buff, his book ‘Monarchy’ is interesting.
The wife teaches History and said he’s always been known in the history community to be like this.
Yeah it's the tone of it and way it was said. Clearly derogatory, bloke seems like an old nonce.His initial point was probably technically correct and he wouldn't have been involved in the shit storm he is now if he hadn't added the 'damn blacks' comment at the end that's for sure.
Was a disgusting thing to say and his contempt for black people was evident.
For what reason?Guz khan from Coventry dropped by just eats
Apparently asking Priti Patel if she wanted curry?For what reason?
Eh, got to be more than that surely. Found the tweet and it can’t be just for thisApparently asking Priti Patel if she wanted curry?
Here we go again - but is that actually insulting? A trifle predatory, maybe, but asking someone if they'd like to join you for your favourite meal??Eh, got to be more than that surely. FOI d the tweet and it can’t be just for this
Here we go again - but is that actually insulting? A trifle predatory, maybe, but asking someone if they'd like to join you for your favourite meal??
Here we go again - but is that actually insulting? A trifle predatory, maybe, but asking someone if they'd like to join you for your favourite meal??
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