Londonccfcfan
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Burge and Haynes have been very good last two games. Burge seems and looks very confident.
I was at the game last night. Haynes played well both in defence and attack. Played some nice balls forward to both the midfield and forward players.
Because 95% of the time he’s shite
Well let me explain it for you-he (along with others) has contributed to where we are at now (because he isn’t good enough) and was rewarded for failure last season(and the previous 3 seasons) and is still stealing a living while pulling the wool over some peoples eyes.Agreed, i thought he played well. I don't really understand the negativity towards him.
Ok-so 2 good games, that’s great! Shall we erase the previous 4 seasons from our memories?Burge and Haynes have been very good last two games. Burge seems and looks very confident.
Well let me explain it for you-he (along with others) has contributed to where we are at now (because he isn’t good enough) and was rewarded for failure last season(and the previous 3 seasons) and is still stealing a living while pulling the wool over some peoples eyes.
Ok-so 2 good games, that’s great! Shall we erase the previous 4 seasons from our memories?
We’ve had 4 maybe 5 permanent managers in that time who have had a chance to get rid of him, are they all wrong?
Oh my! Here we go again!No ones said that. Just people like you are nowhere to be seen if a player performs well but will be the first to abuse him if he doesn’t have a good game.
↑No ones said that. Just people like you are nowhere to be seen if a player performs well but will be the first to abuse him if he doesn’t have a good game.
Well let me explain it for you-he (along with others) has contributed to where we are at now (because he isn’t good enough) and was rewarded for failure last season(and the previous 3 seasons) and is still stealing a living while pulling the wool over some peoples eyes.
Oh dear!Ah, I get it now! Thanks, you patronising idiot.
I think he’s decent, especially at this level and I reserve the right to have a different opinion to you.
There we go again!Oh dear!
Hmmmm.There we go again!
Which is why I keep banging the drum. Why did we persist with him (and lots of others) when they were obviously not up to the job in previous seasons/higher levels? The “experiment” to see if players can make the step up is a major factor why we are now in the bottom tier. This is not the players fault as they are thrown under the bus when really should be nowhere near the first team.i seem to remember the reports coming from sixfields when we started there, that he was the big reason for our blistering start, and was a star in the making
that is why pressley stuck with him
Being back in the team now has aligned with Stokes being out of form since being back from injury
Either way - haynes is good enough for league2 , but will not be if we get promotion
Which is why I keep banging the drum. Why did we persist with him (and lots of others) when they were obviously not up to the job in previous seasons/higher levels? The “experiment” to see if players can make the step up is a major factor why we are now in the bottom tier. This is not the players fault as they are thrown under the bus when really should be nowhere near the first team.
Who knows? Probably not. I'm not sure people understand my point really ref academy players etc. Let me explain.Can I ask you a question? I’d like you to answer properly rather than your usual response. If we didn’t do the ‘experiment’ (whatever that means) last season, this would have been our team:
RCC
Foley
Clarke
Turnbull
Stokes
Jones
Reilly
Rose
Reid
Tudgay
Beavon
Would we have stayed up?
Yes. Do we want to progress though? If we do we know the likes of Burge/Haynes etc are not good enough at a higher level.Isn't it the same as every academy where they will get a few superstars, a few trusty lower league players and then some that won't make it at all?
Yes. Do we want to progress though? If we do we know the likes of Burge/Haynes etc are not good enough at a higher level.
It would be a nice problem to have wouldn't it, if we were at a level that they weren't good enoughYes. Do we want to progress though? If we do we know the likes of Burge/Haynes etc are not good enough at a higher level.
What model would you like us to use to progress?Yes. Do we want to progress though? If we do we know the likes of Burge/Haynes etc are not good enough at a higher level.
So you agree then that they are not up to the job if we want to progress and this being the point. Some people it seems are happy with not progressing by all accounts?Then if we get to the higher level we replace them. The same as if we magically got to the Premier League or Championship and the players coming through that year weren't good enough.
So you agree then that they are not up to the job if we want to progress and this being the point. Some people it seems are happy with not progressing by all accounts?
Maybe we have to play the academy players because the only ones we could afford to buy would be worse. Just a thought.
Or we would get more free agents like the majority of other clubs at our level who don't have the luxury of a Cat 2 Academy?
Who knows? Probably not. I'm not sure people understand my point really ref academy players etc. Let me explain.
The reason we are in the bottom tier is a combination of 2 things, 1-The owners who are not interested in a speculate to accumulate policy and budget wise leads to an inferior team on the pitch.
2-Academy players (let me emphasise that it is not the academy players fault!) who because of the lack of investment, are thrust upon the first team far too early when clearly not ready/good enough/or up to the job.
By "experimenting" and putting them in the first team, results suffer over time and we have found ourselves where we are now, the bottom tier.
The club was shouting from the rooftops that there was 6 Academy players on the pitch who finished a first team fixture recently, thats commendable but that is far too many at one time, but I reiterate, NOT THE PLAYERS FAULT.
Yes you will get a Wilson/Maddison who comes along once in a while but for every Wilson you get 20 Burge's, Jordan Clark's, Conor Thomas's,Haynes,Bigi,Finch''s et al, the list is endless.
We will not progress while this policy is maintained and these owners are here.
Now please say you understand where I am coming from?
So you agree then that they are not up to the job if we want to progress and this being the point. Some people it seems are happy with not progressing by all accounts?
Surely it depends on the player?
For example Bayliss would do the job if we went into League 1 with some more experience under his belt.
You can't say "no academy player is good enough if we want to progress". It depends who they are, what position etc.
Correct. Now can you please explain why we find ourselves in the bottom tier?Majority of our squad isn’t up to the job if we get promoted. It was agreed on here the other week we have 7-8 players at most who could perform at a higher level
Isn't it the same as every academy where they will get a few superstars, a few trusty lower league players and then some that won't make it at all?
Tried to explain it....I posted a team without the ‘policy’ and you’ve said it ‘probably wouldn’t’ (lol) have stayed up. A team with Stuart Beavon and Marcus Tudgay up front in the league above ‘probably wouldn’t’ have stayed up
No one has any idea where you’re coming from, people don’t ‘understand’ you because what you post makes little to no sense
But we throw too many in at the same time-as a consequence results on the pitch suffer and we find ourselves where we are now.Surely it depends on the player?
For example Bayliss would do the job if we went into League 1 with some more experience under his belt.
You can't say "no academy player is good enough if we want to progress". It depends who they are, what position etc.
So having a good academy is the be all and end all? Let's forget about results on the pitch then.This is what about 10 people have put to him.
CCFC academy is 9/92 in England for producing professional footballers (which is the aim). So, generally compared to others it’s a high performing academy.
I can’t imagine his reaction if he supported Stoke for instance - who put millions in and have produced nothing
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