Liquid Gold
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Are you actually suggesting our academy is hampering our progress?!?
Are you actually suggesting our academy is hampering our progress?!?So having a good academy is the be all and end all? Let's forget about results on the pitch then.
Correct. Now can you please explain why we find ourselves in the bottom tier?
So having a good academy is the be all and end all? Let's forget about results on the pitch then.
Are you actually suggesting our academy is hampering our progress?!?
I disagree, i think he's decent at this level. Better than Stokes this season for me.
From last season?
- Poor recruitment of senior players meaning younger players had to step up.
- Selling Vincelot
- Letting Fleck go without a replacement to a divisional rival
- Bad appointment in Slade (only 1 point from relegation at the time)
Stokes has been poor. I'm a big fan of his so hopeful he'll regain his old form but he's struggling at the minute and I think Robins is right to play Haynes ahead of him.
Very surprised to hear this, because to my mind, despite all his qualities, he has never been rock solid defensively and it's always been that part of his game that has let him down.Haynes was quality on Tuesday. Obviously got forward well, as we kind of take for granted with him but also defensively he was rock solid.
Very surprised to hear this, because to my mind, despite all his qualities, he has never been rock solid defensively and it's always been that part of his game that has let him down.
From last season?
- Poor recruitment of senior players meaning younger players had to step up.
- Selling Vincelot
- Letting Fleck go without a replacement to a divisional rival
- Bad appointment in Slade (only 1 point from relegation at the time)
Isn’t that what I said previously? Young players having to step up but are not good enough to make that step?From last season?
- Poor recruitment of senior players meaning younger players had to step up.
- Selling Vincelot
- Letting Fleck go without a replacement to a divisional rival
- Bad appointment in Slade (only 1 point from relegation at the time)
No my gripe is putting them in too frequently and in numbers and the results on the pitch then suffer.Didn’t say that. Your gripe is with the academy so I was comparing with a club who have put a lot more money in than us
If we are relying on it (which it seems we are) to take us forward as a club and aim higher then yes. We need more of a balance and not let the first team be “an experiment” for academy players to sink or swim.Are you actually suggesting our academy is hampering our progress?!?
Isn’t that what I said previously? Young players having to step up but are not good enough to make that step?
No my gripe is putting them in too frequently and in numbers and the results on the pitch then suffer.
If we are relying on it (which it seems we are) to take us forward as a club and aim higher then yes. We need more of a balance and not let the first team be “an experiment” for academy players to sink or swim.
Our team and subs used from the opening game of the season, before Andreu was signed.If we are relying on it (which it seems we are) to take us forward as a club and aim higher then yes. We need more of a balance and not let the first team be “an experiment” for academy players to sink or swim.
If we are relying on it (which it seems we are) to take us forward as a club and aim higher then yes. We need more of a balance and not let the first team be “an experiment” for academy players to sink or swim.
If we are relying on it (which it seems we are) to take us forward as a club and aim higher then yes. We need more of a balance and not let the first team be “an experiment” for academy players to sink or swim.
I think he means that due to the owners lack of investment, the academy players are having to step up which they shouldn't be doing at such a young age like Ponticelli, Bayliss etc. By no means is it the academy's fault, but most of the players that come out of It should be no way near the team in an ideal world.He is.
He wants the owners to invest. Considering the owners only invest the money we generate the money they would be investing into the team would be from the young players we sell.
He then in the next post wants to shut it down which means they would have less money to invest into the first team
Don’t ask me
I think he means that due to the owners lack of investment, the academy players are having to step up which they shouldn't be doing at such a young age like Ponticelli, Bayliss etc. By no means is it the academy's fault, but most of the players that come out of It should be no way near the team in an ideal world.
So why do you think we're in league two then? It's solely down to the lack of investment. I really don't know how you can't see that.Ponticelli has started 2 league games. Bayliss is more than good enough to be playing for us at 18
I don’t agree with ‘lack of investment either’, Ponticelli has his place on the bench because Beavon (and before Thomas) not being rated by the manager. Bayliss is playing, wide right now, because our manager thinks he’s a better option than Vincenti and the two loanees who can’t even get into the squad
Burge and Willis if we go up as was proved last season in L1. Vincenti,Kelly,Shipley and Biamou aswell not good enough.Most selected team is:
Burge
Grimmer
Willis
McDonald
Stokes
Vincenti
Kelly
Doyle
Shipley
Biamou
McNulty
Which of those should be nowhere near the team?
He is.
He wants the owners to invest. Considering the owners only invest the money we generate the money they would be investing into the team would be from the young players we sell.
He then in the next post wants to shut it down which means they would have less money to invest into the first team
Don’t ask me
Correct-I have said it’s not the Academy players fault it’s the owners that is the reason we are where we are.but at times you're verging on the vitriolic in your criticism of the academy.
If your above statement is true then the criticism still shouldn't be directed at the academy.
So why do you think we're in league two then? It's solely down to the lack of investment. I really don't know how you can't see that.
Burge and Willis if we go up as was proved last season in L1. Vincenti,Kelly,Shipley and Biamou aswell not good enough.
The underlying factor of our gradual demise has been the owners. It's no coincidence since they've been here we've been relegated twice and have been on an endless slippery slope. If it's not the owners fault whose is it?It’s how you spend your budget. We sold Vincelot, a solid League One player who performed well for us, to buy Jordan Turnbull.
Having one of the bigger budgets doesn’t guarantee you success nor does having one of the smallest budgets mean you’ll get relegated
I couldn’t care less if they are on loan, from the Academy or from Mars as long as they do the business on the pitch.You said you don’t care about where players are from before
Showing your true colours now
So on that basis then we stand still or go backwards like last season when we had half a team made up of Academy players-and, oh yes, they were not good enough and we ended up getting relegated. Not just them though.Maybe we have to play the academy players because the only ones we could afford to buy would be worse. Just a thought.
I couldn’t care less if they are on loan, from the Academy or from Mars as long as they do the business on the pitch.
At the minute yes, so would I. But long term as we know he won’t cut it.I'm no fan of Haynes, but he's been great the last couple of games. Offers that extra bit going forward and Stokes is out of sorts so I'd definitely keep him in for Lincoln.
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