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covboy1987 · Dec 28, 2014

You might be surprised to know that many City fans i speak with do not blame Pressley for present our predicament - they seem to agree that he has had to do this job with one arm tied behind his back - they all agree that he developed a good side that was capable of potentially winning this league until he was told to off load due to the wage bill - all these new manager names being thrown about how would they approach the job given the same constraints as SP works under - until that changes no manager would make any difference

zuni · Dec 28, 2014

rubbish, some of the managers named...just may get a side creating chances, looking organised, looking like they know what they are doing on the pitch....and just maybe look like they give a shit and want to play for the badge / fans. All that comes free and isnt constrained by lack of funds but rather lack of knowing what your doing.

Nick · Dec 28, 2014

Why has he had one arm tied behind his back? Have other league one teams got no restrictions?

Tenner says a good manager would make a massive difference.

This is like the talk of fergie not being able to do any better than thorn.

ecky · Dec 28, 2014

covboy1987 said:
You might be surprised to know that many City fans i speak with do not blame Pressley for present our predicament - they seem to agree that he has had to do this job with one arm tied behind his back - they all agree that he developed a good side that was capable of potentially winning this league until he was told to off load due to the wage bill - all these new manager names being thrown about how would they approach the job given the same constraints as SP works under - until that changes no manager would make any difference

Wrong, his is tactically inept, there is also something fundamentally wrong within the team and Pressley has caused it.

rupert_bear · Dec 28, 2014

The performances on the pitch to me suggest otherwise, however you are correct to say having your main goalscorers nicked off you, Wilson, Clarke, Moussa and baker aswell as an international goalkeeper and a now international defender leave made things very difficult, but he has signed 33 players ffs ! be it loans or contracted players, very few seem up to scratch despite a number being experienced players from atleast championship level, Pressley just doesn't seem to be able to get them to play for him.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Dec 28, 2014

The sum is now less than the individual parts in my opinion. It is becoming apparent that we have developed a predictable pattern of play - passing backwards and sideways for the sake of it. Six passes when two will do, indicative of a team desperate to keep possession simply to try to prevent the other team from scoring rather than to score themselves. If Pressley wants this he must know we have absolutely nothing to offer in the final third. It's like throwing a tomato against a brick wall and wondering why it falls apart. Something needs to change and it increasingly seems that the manager has no answer, except the usual " they were excellent today, I can't fault their effort"

I have been a supporter of SP up until recently but I am running out of patience. Relegation is highly likely and is totally unacceptable. People ask what is the alternative but very soon any alternative will look more attractive.

rupert_bear · Dec 28, 2014

I'll be absolutely honest if i took over the team I would scrap any pretty passing football shore up the defence with no nonsense tough guys and go route one Wimbledon style. Would mean signing a couple of brutes in midfield and not easy on the eye but desperate needs mean desperate actions. We haven't the players to out pass teams, as results testify.

Deleted member 4439 · Dec 28, 2014

There can be no doubt that SP has had to operate under difficult conditions and tight constraints, possibly including the fact that he might not have had full say over a number of loanees (notably, those from Bournemouth). However, the two things that stand out for me is his apparent inexperience in man management, as exemplified by the outcomes of his bomb squads, and his tactical inflexibility.

The view of the Falkirk fan on SP, posted on these boards some months ago - and since reposted as a reminder - is worth reading again.

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/50348-Views-from-falkirk?highlight=falkirk

Conditions and constraints noted; but it seems to me that SP rode off the back of Robins squad in his first 9 months, and has been now found out.

Steve.B50 · Dec 28, 2014

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
The sum is now less than the individual parts in my opinion. It is becoming apparent that we have developed a predictable pattern of play - passing backwards and sideways for the sake of it. Six passes when two will do, indicative of a team desperate to keep possession simply to try to prevent the other team from scoring rather than to score themselves. If Pressley wants this he must know we have absolutely nothing to offer in the final third. It's like throwing a tomato against a brick wall and wondering why it falls apart. Something needs to change and it increasingly seems that the manager has no answer, except the usual " they were excellent today, I can't fault their effort"

I have been a supporter of SP up until recently but I am running out of patience. Relegation is highly likely and is totally unacceptable. People ask what is the alternative but very soon any alternative will look more attractive.

I must agree with these comments, I am also running out of patience, but I believe things have to change above first.

skybluetony176 · Dec 28, 2014

Nick said:
Tenner says a good manager would make a massive difference.

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Over what period of time?

I'll have a tenner with you that if the next manager is here as long as SP and SISU are still here our situation is no better. If he gets sacked before that period is up you also owe me a tenner but if he resign's all bets are off.

Nick · Dec 28, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
Over what period of time?

I'll have a tenner with you that if the next manager is here as long as SP and SISU are still here our situation is no better. If he gets sacked before that period is up you also owe me a tenner but if he resign's all bets are off.

I think it should also be decided when the manager is appointed too, in case they get Thorn back

Happy to have a tenner for charity that if a good manager is here it would make a difference.

shy_tall_knight · Dec 28, 2014

Lack of funds may explain why we are not top 6 but can't justify why we are bottom 6. Lack of goal threat and regular defensive lapses is a recipe for relegation

ecky · Dec 28, 2014

dubed said:
There can be no doubt that SP has had to operate under difficult conditions and tight constraints, possibly including the fact that he might not have had full say over a number of loanees (notably, those from Bournemouth). However, the two things that stand out for me is his apparent inexperience in man management, as exemplified by the outcomes of his bomb squads, and his tactical inflexibility.

The view of the Falkirk fan on SP, posted on these boards some months ago - and since reposted as a reminder - is worth reading again.

So is waggott and fisher picking the team? including the wheeling and dealing? PRESSLEY is just the puppet representing the team?

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/50348-Views-from-falkirk?highlight=falkirk

Conditions and constraints noted; but it seems to me that SP rode off the back of Robins squad in his first 9 months, and has been now
found out.

So is waggott and fisher picking the team? including the wheeling and dealing? PRESSLEY is just the puppet representing the team?

Nick · Dec 28, 2014

Exactly, The Falkirk fans were saying pretty much the same thing about his style of football.

Interesting differences. For us, I would say he was not a bad judge of a player, but was absolutely clueless at putting an effective team on the park. His brand of football could be for the most part, excruciatingly boring. He was always more worried about trying to nullify the opposition rather than imposing the things we were good at.

Obviously he brought young players into our team, but he had little or no choice in the matter. He always gives his players excuses for not winning, and it does become a bit tedious.

For all that, he is by all accounts, a very decent and honourable guy, and will give your cause everything that he has to give. Whether that's enough, only you guys can decide.

One other thing.......Pressleys brand of scaredy cat football meant that whenever you played anyone above you in the league, it was near enough certain that you wouldn't win. Whenever we played what he thought to be a "big name" side in the league, he would have the players completely psyched out of winning the game. This happened time and time again. He presided over an away draw and an away 1-4 defeat against Cowdenbeath that were two of the most negative and cowardly performances I have ever seen from us (until yesterday).

Pressleys best quality was his evangelical preaching on his football philosophy.

Even after crap results and performances. I saw him have the most gnarled embittered supporters singing his praises after a fans meeting or AGM.

I think he's not a bad manager, his negative tactics in our situation certainly grated, but I'd swap him for our current manager in a heartbeat.

skybluetony176 · Dec 28, 2014

Nick said:
I think it should also be decided when the manager is appointed too, in case they get Thorn back

Happy to have a tenner for charity that if a good manager is here it would make a difference.

I'd go for a tenner to charity. Who's going to decide if he's a good manager though. If he gets the sack in 6 months I dont want you to turn around and say "but he wasn't a good manager so it doesn't count"

Nick · Dec 28, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
I'd go for a tenner to charity. Who's going to decide if he's a good manager though. If he gets the sack in 6 months I dont want you to turn around and say "but he wasn't a good manager so it doesn't count"

thats why I said decide on appointment

Hobo · Dec 28, 2014

Although I thought he deserved a new contract, also I think the club needs stability in the managerial position, I felt SISU's decision to give him a 4 years contract in our position was bonkers.

He does seem a little adrift from ideas to get the team playing creatively.

He has been hampered by SISU'S sell anything they can policy, lack of investment in a scouting system and the attitude of the modern footballer.....however these are part and parcel of the modern game. I would have expected a little more progress on the pitch even if it hadn't been reflected in the results.

Sisu need to get the right team in to progress the football side...manager, coaching staff and scouting system. But they also need to show they are moving the club in the right direction. Unfortunately, not only did they destroy the trust they had with CCC and ACL, they have destroyed the trust the fanbase had. I just can't see SISU turning the club round, the same old mistakes seems engrained in their culture. So I won't be holding my breath. Let's face it their record of employing the right people, whether in the boardroom, managerial, or players is pretty poor.

Ian1779 · Dec 28, 2014

No excuse for consistently failing to get shots on target in a game. Even shit players will create chances.. they just won't finish them.

SkyBlueSid · Dec 28, 2014

ecky said:
Wrong, his is tactically inept, there is also something fundamentally wrong within the team and Pressley has caused it.

I agree with that. Pressley's setting up of the team is a joke and we often look totally clueless. Much of that has to be down to him being incapable of distinguishing between a good and a rubbish player so we have ended up with some of the worst dross I've ever seen.

Pressley is responsible for what is fundamentally wrong with the team. There is also plenty fundamentally wrong with the club which he cannot be blamed for. The combination of a poor manager and clueless owners really doesn't bode well for the future so maybe we should get at least one aspect right.,

Ashdown · Dec 28, 2014

covboy1987 said:
You might be surprised to know that many City fans i speak with do not blame Pressley for present our predicament - they seem to agree that he has had to do this job with one arm tied behind his back - they all agree that he developed a good side that was capable of potentially winning this league until he was told to off load due to the wage bill - all these new manager names being thrown about how would they approach the job given the same constraints as SP works under - until that changes no manager would make any difference

There is a lot of truth in this, Pressley is struggling tactically, but it's true, his first team performed well and were sold off and now he has a whole bunch of youngsters peppered with a bunch of inadequate desperados to work with.

Terry Gibson's perm · Dec 28, 2014

He needs to change something if we are going to keep him, if I was him I would sack some if his staff for certain his assistant and probably Oggy it would shake it up a bit, Strachan should have sacked Pendry the cone carrier when we went down from the prem.

Chinny_Hill · Dec 28, 2014

Nick said:
Why has he had one arm tied behind his back? Have other league one teams got no restrictions?

Tenner says a good manager would make a massive difference.

This is like the talk of fergie not being able to do any better than thorn.

We have had not had a single successful manager for as long as I can remember (someone else who has more time can list them), and throughout all of SISU's tenure the approach to transfer policy has been absolutely consistent, the crowds have reduced as most have seen their strategy lead to the continual demise of the club on and off the field. The remaining fans continue to labour under the false belief that normal football rules apply and donate their income to an entity that has no passion for the club or its fans IMO. Still lets ignore the evidence of the past few years and get back to tactics.:sarcasm:

Ashdown · Dec 28, 2014

Chinny_Hill said:
We have had not had a single successful manager for as long as I can remember (someone else who has more time can list them), and throughout all of SISU's tenure the approach to transfer policy has been absolutely consistent, the crowds have reduced as most have seen their strategy lead to the continual demise of the club on and off the field. The remaining fans continue to labour under the false belief that normal football rules apply and donate their income to an entity that has no passion for the club or its fans IMO. Still lets ignore the evidence of the past few years and get back to tactics.:sarcasm:

Can't disagree with any of this but I need a ready made excuse to get me out of a Sunday dinner date with the in laws !

rightumpty · Dec 28, 2014

covboy1987 said:
You might be surprised to know that many City fans i speak with do not blame Pressley for present our predicament - they seem to agree that he has had to do this job with one arm tied behind his back - they all agree that he developed a good side that was capable of potentially winning this league until he was told to off load due to the wage bill - all these new manager names being thrown about how would they approach the job given the same constraints as SP works under - until that changes no manager would make any difference

To be fair all our managers since SISU arrived have had at least one arm tied behind their back. It's amazed me how long most of them have stopped as they all appear clever enough to work out that they have been fed lies and bullshit since they were first interviewed for the job.
For Christs sake let's get SISU out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nick · Dec 28, 2014

rightumpty said:
To be fair all our managers since SISU arrived have had at least one arm tied behind their back. It's amazed me how long most of them have stopped as they all appear clever enough to work out that they have been fed lies and bullshit since they were first interviewed for the job.
For Christs sake let's get SISU out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pretty sure managers wouldn't be that naive before applying for the job to not have put SISU into Google would they?

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 28, 2014

Was pleased he played 3 strikers today but thomas was so much better than finch you have to question his judgement. He is not the biggest problem though

Lack of investment is

letsallsingtogether · Dec 28, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
I'd go for a tenner to charity. Who's going to decide if he's a good manager though. If he gets the sack in 6 months I dont want you to turn around and say "but he wasn't a good manager so it doesn't count"

I know of a good charity you could donate it to the ccfc former players association.
Or the Sisu new players fund should get us a striker.

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