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clint van damme said:

do you really think they'll ask for that much? Or should I say do you not think they'll settle for a lot less because initially they're bound to ask for something ludicrous, it's the nature of them.

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No, not that much. Although that figure has been banded around before by JS according to some on here. I would however not be surprised if SISU's asking price was so unrealistic especially when compared to the cost of buying the top flight Rugby team with it's own stadium etc. That's why I can't see it happening. I just can't see SISU dropping their expectations enough to make it possible. Especially when a wealthy company with a reputation for spending big like Red Bull is asking.

Not interested, got too built up with the rumour pre Christmas. Until something is signed I don't want to think about it. The will descend into another pointless sisu argument anyway

Great_Expectations said:

As a basic concept it makes sense to own both - the stadium in use twice for a high number of weekends, equals twice the revenue. There's sharing of other facilities too. Plus, if we were taken over by a company willing to invest, there's lots more money to made with Coventry than Wasps, predominantly linked to the money associated with the two sports. Finally, CCFC are in a trough, so to an investor we can only go one way. Arguably Wasps are already at (or at least very close to) their peak.

I appreciate there are lots more complexities and caveats than the basic argument outlined above, but I still believe an independent investor would see benefit in owning both.

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I like your thoughts if it were based on even parity of revenue ( gate receipts , 3rd party sponsors etc ) as it stands your flip flop every week would see yes with the egg catchers a healthy amount of income and advertising and merchandise. The next week hungry fans deprived of pies and entertaining football in even if we stay in L3 .

It would not run at a profit, in fact not many Premier clubs run at a profit.

We are nothing to do with Wasps and for one I am happy with that.

BackRoomRummermill said:

Because they would lose all their money they invested , how much have SISU lost ....
I don't need to be bold to make the statement , it's all there for any mug to see.

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So what about all the other teams they've invested in, do you think they're making money off of them?

Don't believe it, but would be kinda funny if the factor that finally got rid of Sisu and brought investment in was Wasps being here. A few heads would explode around here.

Liquid Gold said:

Not interested, got too built up with the rumour pre Christmas. Until something is signed I don't want to think about it. The will descend into another pointless sisu argument anyway

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Yep. I'm not interested either. Not going to even entertain the thought.

What colours would we play in if we were Red Bull?

shmmeee said:

Don't believe it, but would be kinda funny if the factor that finally got rid of Sisu and brought investment in was Wasps being here. A few heads would explode around here.

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so you wouldn't be pissed off if we were tied in with wasps? I would.

I hope it comes true because anything is better than the current state of affairs but wasps shouldn't be in Coventry no matter who's fault it is they're here.

clint van damme said:

So what about all the other teams they've invested in, do you think they're making money off of them?

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Definitely, they run them as a advertising franchise, Formula one well what more do I need to say on that, it's high profile, the air racing again high profile,

Do you think a L 3 team would command the same amount of PR and advertising for a brand ?

Can you give me a sensible reason why they would buy COV ?

Irish Sky Blue said:

Hopefully one day soon a rumour like this might turn out to be true.

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Nick said:

Would be good to have a Sky Blue pub wouldn't it? The Rowleys Green would be perfect.

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The Buffs club is on the Market.
Already a Skyblue vibe about it.

haven't they already bought a low league club...sure i read it somewhere, if true they have history of doing it so why not Cov...german club leipzig?

BackRoomRummermill said:

Definitely, they run them as a advertising franchise, Formula one well what more do I need to say on that, it's high profile, the air racing again high profile,

Do you think a L 3 team would command the same amount of PR and advertising for a brand ?

Can you give me a sensible reason why they would buy COV ?

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No, but a few years ago I wouldn't have been able to give you a sensible reason why they would buy German division 5 Leipzig. Maybe the large catchment area, but that also applies to City.

wingy said:

The Buffs club is on the Market.
Already a Skyblue vibe about it.

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Would make a nice supporters club place. Club should buy it and utilise it for functions and weddings and parties etc.

Otis said:

Would make a nice supporters club place. Club should buy it and utilise it for functions and weddings and parties etc.

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It would.
Think it's down to the freeholder so will probably end up as flats.
Shame.

BackRoomRummermill said:

Definitely, they run them as a advertising franchise, Formula one well what more do I need to say on that, it's high profile, the air racing again high profile,

Do you think a L 3 team would command the same amount of PR and advertising for a brand ?

Can you give me a sensible reason why they would buy COV ?

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They bought a 5th division team in Germany who are now in the top division.

clint van damme said:

No, but a few years ago I wouldn't have been able to give you a sensible reason why they would buy German division 5 Leipzig. Maybe the large catchment area, but that also applies to City.

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Not sure, without checking the facts first, but I'm probably right in assuming that Leipzig didn't have a decrepit, black hole in the financial department, and serious cuntage in the boardroom. I will check though, just to be sure.

To quote Wikipedia (just checked): "Leipzig was considered a most favorable place for an investment. The potential for establishing a new club in Leipzig seemed huge."

Call me dense, but it seems Red Bull Leipzig was FOUNDED, rather than taken over. This is actually news to me.

clint van damme said:

No, but a few years ago I wouldn't have been able to give you a sensible reason why they would buy German division 5 Leipzig. Maybe the large catchment area, but that also applies to City.

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The biggest shame in this is if they had come in when SISU did we might be in a completely different universe CCFC wise. The only way they would buy CCFC is if we were in Championship with a decent team and manager , the stadium issue resolved. It would be a bargain investment to build on.

I think we have to think Global reach with Red Bull, if we had a successful team on the world stage they would not give a shite if the stadium was empty as long as the brand was televised , talked about and seen as a success or at least competing for success. Which by the way is everything CCFC are not.

Didn't the original rumour from Malaka include something about getting the Ricoh (ACL) as well?

trevelfarandwide said:

Not sure, without checking the facts first, but I'm probably right in assuming that Leipzig didn't have a decrepit, black hole in the financial department, and serious cuntage in the boardroom. I will check though, just to be sure.

To quote Wikipedia (just checked): "Leipzig was considered a most favorable place for an investment. The potential for establishing a new club in Leipzig seemed huge."

Call me dense, but it seems Red Bull Leipzig was FOUNDED, rather than taken over. This is actually news to me.

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Yes headlines always pass by some people, its the devil in the detail that counts.

BackRoomRummermill said:

I like your thoughts if it were based on even parity of revenue ( gate receipts , 3rd party sponsors etc ) as it stands your flip flop every week would see yes with the egg catchers a healthy amount of income and advertising and merchandise. The next week hungry fans deprived of pies and entertaining football in even if we stay in L3 .

It would not run at a profit, in fact not many Premier clubs run at a profit.

We are nothing to do with Wasps and for one I am happy with that.

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But isn't that the point - the investor would own both clubs and therefore there would be an even parity. It wouldn't be as is.

I agree re the Premier league profit point, but some do. Plus a company like Red Bull could afford to run at a loss if there brand was televised worldwide in association with the most popular and watched league in the world. PR, advertising and brand would be there equaliser.

Anyway, it's all fictional, but it's nice to dream. Especially considering the state we are currently in, both on and off the pitch.

For those interested in seeing the same argument twice see Investment on the Horizon?

BackRoomRummermill said:

Definitely, they run them as a advertising franchise, Formula one well what more do I need to say on that, it's high profile, the air racing again high profile,

Do you think a L 3 team would command the same amount of PR and advertising for a brand ?

Can you give me a sensible reason why they would buy COV ?

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Because I with the right kind of investment to become a club challenging for a European place or reach the FA Cup final reaps rewards...& valuable relatively cheap advertising Worldwide! And all along the way - they have at least doubled their income from the CCFC of the stadium from increased crowds (remember CCFC potential?) Rather than a small-fry rental agreement

...onwards & upwards PUSB

I think its a red herring and a load of bull ...so thats where the connection comes in for Red Bull

SkyblueBazza said:

Because I with the right kind of investment to become a club challenging for a European place or reach the FA Cup final reaps rewards...& valuable relatively cheap advertising Worldwide! And all along the way - they have at least doubled their income from the CCFC of the stadium from increased crowds (remember CCFC potential?) Rather than a small-fry rental agreement

...onwards & upwards PUSB

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All good except the fact we now have a full up club top leagues of this type of Club in Premiership and Championship receiving all the money etc. ( remember the money got better for parachute payments etc. ) , there is no room for Coventry City football club to break that bubble now without a crippling amount of investment. We not only missed the boat, we never even knew the boat was set to set sail ...........

One of the issues a new stadium owner may face is the naming on the Arena itself. How long has the RICOH name got before that contract expires ? Still doubtful that this rumour will pan out.

trevelfarandwide said:

Not sure, without checking the facts first, but I'm probably right in assuming that Leipzig didn't have a decrepit, black hole in the financial department, and serious cuntage in the boardroom. I will check though, just to be sure.
To quote Wikipedia (just checked): "Leipzig was considered a most favorable place for an investment. The potential for establishing a new club in Leipzig seemed huge."
Call me dense, but it seems Red Bull Leipzig was FOUNDED, rather than taken over. This is actually news to me.

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From Eurosports Football pages, a different take on the founded/taken over issue:

"Chances are you haven’t heard of SSV Markranstädt, but it’s in the German fifth tier where the tale begins.
Energy drink superpower Red Bull waded in and bought the club’s licence, stripped the entire club of its character – from the badge to the nickname (creatively changed to ‘The Red Bulls) – and set out their ambitious philosophy for new side Leipzig: reach the Bundesliga in eight years.
They did it in seven."

The new Leicester City? Who are Bundesliga pacesetters RB Leipzig?

Happy_Martian said:

One of the issues a new stadium owner may face is the naming on the Arena itself. How long has the RICOH name got before that contract expires ? Still doubtful that this rumour will pan out.



From Eurosports Football pages, a different take on the founded/taken over issue:

"Chances are you haven’t heard of SSV Markranstädt, but it’s in the German fifth tier where the tale begins.
Energy drink superpower Red Bull waded in and bought the club’s licence, stripped the entire club of its character – from the badge to the nickname (creatively changed to ‘The Red Bulls) – and set out their ambitious philosophy for new side Leipzig: reach the Bundesliga in eight years.
They did it in seven."

The new Leicester City? Who are Bundesliga pacesetters RB Leipzig?

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I rest my case

trevelfarandwide said:

Not sure, without checking the facts first, but I'm probably right in assuming that Leipzig didn't have a decrepit, black hole in the financial department, and serious cuntage in the boardroom. I will check though, just to be sure.

To quote Wikipedia (just checked): "Leipzig was considered a most favorable place for an investment. The potential for establishing a new club in Leipzig seemed huge."

Call me dense, but it seems Red Bull Leipzig was FOUNDED, rather than taken over. This is actually news to me.

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they did an MK Dons, took over an existing club and turned it into RB Leipzig. The point stands that the club must be a money pit, especially as they are going to build a new stadium.
Which suggests that they wouldn't be put off by Citys current situation. Off course, I am still sceptical that there is actually interest.

Red Bull purchased the "playing right" - basically the Golden Share - of a 5th division team called SSV Markranstäd who were based outside Leipzig. Moved the team to Leipzig and created RB Leipzig, as Leipzig had a population of 570,000 and no real top football team.
Leipzig - 5th div team in Germany's 10th most populated city with no local top flight competition.
Coventry - 3rd div team in England's 9th most populated city with minimal local top flight competition.

The comparisons are there. But even me at my most optimistic can't see this happening. Would require £20m-30m-ish for Wasps & ACL, then around £10m for CCFC plus future fees, percentage of profits, loans to SISU who will want to get as much of their investment back as possible rather than writing it all off for the one-time purchase fee. In comparison, Markranstädt cost just €350,000 and were more than willing for Red Bull to completely rebrand the club.

Would I like to see Red Bull come in? Yes, it would be the clean slate that sporting fans in Coventry need, potentially bringing CCFC and Wasps fans together under a new banner.
Will it happen? Unlikely. Wasps will want a good deal, SISU will want a good deal and the £50m that it could take to make the deal happen will make even Red Bull eyes water.

I hate Red Bull. Only ever had one small sip, the faint smell of pub carpet and puke put me off. Now pass that bottle of Glendronach Malt.

MalakaWell-Known Member
A bit more to report
Apparently it's a takeover, Venus will be gone as they want there own man in with some cash. Stumbling block is the ground as the council are holding out for more than is being offered
I believe wasps are not the stumbling block
It will be a major investment
Start praying

Dec 7, 2016

dongonzalos said:

MalakaWell-Known Member
A bit more to report
Apparently it's a takeover, Venus will be gone as they want there own man in with some cash. Stumbling block is the ground as the council are holding out for more than is being offered
I believe wasps are not the stumbling block
It will be a major investment
Start praying

Dec 7, 2016

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He's definitely a member alright.

I saw Malaka drinking a Red Bull. Can only mean one thing.

chiefdave said:

I saw Malaka drinking a Red Bull. Can only mean one thing.

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With the emphasis on the can.

To me, if we want to put ourselves in the 'shop window' for a buyer (anyone), then we must get to Wembley.

Nothing would show the potential of Cov more than 40k of us there.

MusicDating said:

To me, if we want to put ourselves in the 'shop window' for a buyer (anyone), then we must get to Wembley.

Nothing would show the potential of Cov more than 40k of us there.

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I mentioned this on a different thread. it could be a way of people demonstrating that there is a large fanbase. It would take a media campaign to make it work.

Malaka? Please help us

Got to hope it's true. Seems to be a few flutterings lately. All a coincidence?