Oh Jeremy Corbyn (5 Viewers)

skybluegod said:

One might but one might suggest that he’s not?
Yes but he has constantly backed thressa May. If he doesn’t back her, when asked he could just avoid the question but he constantly and consistently has thrown his weight behind her.

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I think you're being naïve to be honest, or you've got a higher opinion of politicians than I have.

torchomatic said:

Therewasaworldwiderecession
There, did it in one word.

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Haha fair enough, but even you have to admit the Labour Government did nothing to help the situation and sent us even further down the shitter.

clint van damme said:

I think you're being naïve to be honest, or you've got a higher opinion of politicians than I have.

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Aren;t you being Naive believing that Corbyn will do everything he promises with all his magic funds?
Nope, to be honest, I hate 99% of politicians as most of them are in roles that they know nothing about, including Boris but I just don't believe he wants the leadership position, he is happy trying to back seat drive.

skybluegod said:

Where?

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General Election

Funnily enough, nobody chooses to accept that as it doesn't fit the narrative...

clint van damme said:

No way she should be castigated for delivering a speech in the manner she did because she wasn't well but can you imagine if a Labour leader had done that, dacres, murdoch and their ilk would have had a field day.

Doubt they'll give much scrutiny to the extra 15 billion she's suddenly committed to spend or to the energy bill cap that was described as a Marxist policy when Ed Miliband suggested it.

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At least she knows its costed seeing as she stole it from the Labour manifesto!

skybluegod said:

Aren;t you being Naive believing that Corbyn will do everything he promises with all his magic funds?
Nope, to be honest, I hate 99% of politicians as most of them are in roles that they know nothing about, including Boris but I just don't believe he wants the leadership position, he is happy trying to back seat drive.

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Where did I say I believe Corbyn? What Corbyn hasn't got is a proven track record of lying while in Government, that's why I'm prepared to give him a chance. In the unlikely event he becomes PM, if he doesn't deliver I'll be calling for him to fuck off.
You seem to be forgetting that weeks after saying there's no magic money tree May has announced 15 billions worth of spending this week!
It's the tory voters who seem to dismiss their parties abysmal record in government with unproven whataboutery.
Your assertion that Boris doesn't want to be PM is frankly ludicrous.

NorthernWisdom said:

General Election

Funnily enough, nobody chooses to accept that as it doesn't fit the narrative...

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That's just your post? Can you post a link to the actual interview and then I will admit i'm wrong haha.

torchomatic said:

Could say exactly the same for the Tories. How have they reduced the deficit and made things better for people in the last seven years?

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The deficit has been reduced 2/3rd's you can't even dispute that?

torchomatic said:

Talking of magic funds. May didn't have money for nurses, etc as there was "no magic money tree". Then because she's in trouble she finds £1B for the DUP.

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Not going to lie, I don;t know anything the deal with the DUP as i didn;t follow it at the time, so will just have to accept that one as fair enough.

clint van damme said:

Where did I say I believe Corbyn? What Corbyn hasn't got is a proven track record of lying while in Government, that's why I'm prepared to give him a chance. In the unlikely event he becomes PM, if he doesn't deliver I'll be calling for him to fuck off.
You seem to be forgetting that weeks after saying there's no magic money tree May has announced 15 billions worth of spending this week!
It's the tory voters who seem to dismiss their parties abysmal record in government with unproven whataboutery.
Your assertion that Boris doesn't want to be PM is frankly ludicrous.

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Have you not been supporting Corbyn this whole time? Apologies if wrong.
So if Conservatives change leader every week will you give them a chance until they prove your wrong as well? I don't think the country can ever truly run well. As Government is all about the long-term, yet by the time the fruits can be seen from the work put in, 5 years will have already passed, and if there is a change in government all that work will be undone, It really is an impossible job.
Well the speech came out yesterday for god sake? Give her a chance to outline how she plans to fund it? If she can't then I will be the first to criticise!
It's ludicrous because I don;t believe what you do? The epitome of a great debate. Being told you are wrong without there being any proof he wants the role?

skybluegod said:

Have you not been supporting Corbyn this whole time? Apologies if wrong.
So if Conservatives change leader every week will you give them a chance until they prove your wrong as well? I don't think the country can ever truly run well. As Government is all about the long-term, yet by the time the fruits can be seen from the work put in, 5 years will have already passed, and if there is a change in government all that work will be undone, It really is an impossible job.
Well the speech came out yesterday for god sake? Give her a chance to outline how she plans to fund it? If she can't then I will be the first to criticise!
It's ludicrous because I don;t believe what you do? The epitome of a great debate. Being told you are wrong without there being any proof he wants the role?

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This party has been in power for 7 years - they have failed everyone in society bar the elite few at the top. Their idea of long term is keeping their investors happy.

skybluegod said:

The deficit has been reduced 2/3rd's you can't even dispute that?

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They said they would eliminate the deficit by 2015, that's what austerity was supposed to be for.

Ian1779 said:

This party has been in power for 7 years - they have failed everyone in society bar the elite few at the top. Their idea of long term is keeping their investors happy.

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Have they? I would say I'm probably bang in the middle of middle class, but I don't feel let down?

chiefdave said:

They said they would eliminate the deficit by 2015, that's what austerity was supposed to be for.

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They said that was an Aim yes and clearly it failed. Obviously, there are reasons for that, which I can't be arsed to debate. But overall yes you are correct they aimed to get rid of the deficit, but at least they didn't promise it.

Just going to point out, I'm not a conservative, while I have voted Conservative for my two elections, I just want whichever party I think is best, I haven;t like Labour either time, and have no confidence in them. I liked Cameron, I don't particularly like May although at this moment in time she has my support, due to the lack of an alternative that I can trust, not that I trust her further than I can throw her.

skybluegod said:

Have you not been supporting Corbyn this whole time? Apologies if wrong.
So if Conservatives change leader every week will you give them a chance until they prove your wrong as well? I don't think the country can ever truly run well. As Government is all about the long-term, yet by the time the fruits can be seen from the work put in, 5 years will have already passed, and if there is a change in government all that work will be undone, It really is an impossible job.
Well the speech came out yesterday for god sake? Give her a chance to outline how she plans to fund it? If she can't then I will be the first to criticise!
It's ludicrous because I don;t believe what you do? The epitome of a great debate. Being told you are wrong without there being any proof he wants the role?

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I didn't say I didn't support Corbyn, I said I'm not 100% convinced he'll deliver but I am prepared to give him a chance, what I do know is that the tories definitely aren't delivering except for the privileged few and I expect them to make a complete arse of Brexit.
As for giving May a chance, she categorically said there was no more money yet she found 1 billion for the DUP and 15 billion this week. She also released an uncosted manifesto at the last GE, If you're prepared to keep being strung along than that's up to you.

to change topic slightly, Lee Nelson adverts now popping up on the forum following on from his stunt yesterday. Painfully unfunny, I'd have laughed if security had tasered him.

skybluegod said:

That's just your post? Can you post a link to the actual interview and then I will admit i'm wrong haha.

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Google it.

The quote is there!

clint van damme said:

to change topic slightly, Lee Nelson adverts now popping up on the forum following on from his stunt yesterday. Painfully unfunny, I'd have laughed if security had tasered him.

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Trade descriptions should have a word if he labels himself comedian.

clint van damme said:

I didn't say I didn't support Corbyn, I said I'm not 100% convinced he'll deliver but I am prepared to give him a chance, what I do know is that the tories definitely aren't delivering except for the privileged few and I expect them to make a complete arse of Brexit.
As for giving May a chance, she categorically said there was no more money yet she found 1 billion for the DUP and 15 billion this week. She also released an uncosted manifesto at the last GE, If you're prepared to keep being strung along than that's up to you.

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How long do you give him that chance for? If I knew i was going to die in the next 5 years I would vote Labour, as I think short term they would be brilliant. Long term, I can just see them destroying the economy and country.
Again that's your opinion, I am middle-class and don't feel like I am being underappreciated.
We have already been through the costing of Manifesto's so not doing that again it's getting boring.
Hahahaha how arrogant is that 'prepared to be strung along', it's the best evidence of a flawed debate when somebody doesn;t except somebody else's opinion, and just completely wipe it away.

As i say, I trust the Tory's more than I ever will this Labour Government, once there is a new leader, then i will revaluate, in either party that is.

mrtrench said:

Abuse of benefits has reduced. They used to be so high that some people chose it as a lifestyle. It's no longer a comfortable existence and so cases like this are less common. Having said that, I know a 16 year old girl who wants to get pregnant so she doesn't have to go to college and can move into her own place. Her parents are having none of it.

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My Niece did exactly that. She had worked for a few months after flunking out of school but decided that wasn't for her so got pregnant. She also wanted a nice house of her own which she was duely given when the kid was born. As her kid was approaching school age she was told to get herself back into work so she got pregnant almost immediately and went off sick on depression. Now the second kid is due to go to school she's again been told she needs to get back into work. Suddenly she started talking about how she would love another child. That was until she found you can't claim a fat lot for anything over two children so back to work it'll have to be. Ha bloody ha.

NorthernWisdom said:

Google it.

The quote is there!

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After a quick google, they are responses by Corbyn's backroom team and not him by the looks of it? So again why can't he say it when asked on live TV, and just put the case to bed?

xcraigx said:

My Niece did exactly that. She had worked for a few months after flunking out of school but decided that wasn't for her so got pregnant. She also wanted a nice house of her own which she was duely given when the kid was born. As her kid was approaching school age she was told to get herself back into work so she got pregnant almost immediately and went off sick on depression. Now the second kid is due to go to school she's again been told she needs to get back into work. Suddenly she started talking about how she would love another child. That was until she found you can't claim a fat lot for anything over two children so back to work it'll have to be. Ha bloody ha.

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Sad thing is, is that it sets a terrible example to kids, that she can get away with that.

skybluegod said:

After a quick google, they are responses by Corbyn's backroom team and not him by the looks of it? So again why can't he say it when asked on live TV, and just put the case to bed?

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Fucking hell.

I'm at work, so can't retrieve you the absolute quote, but I fail to see why Mr Corbyn saying that yes he condemns the IRA is not sufficient for accepting he condemns the IRA.

skybluegod said:

How long do you give him that chance for? If I knew i was going to die in the next 5 years I would vote Labour, as I think short term they would be brilliant. Long term, I can just see them destroying the economy and country.
Again that's your opinion, I am middle-class and don't feel like I am being underappreciated.
We have already been through the costing of Manifesto's so not doing that again it's getting boring.
Hahahaha how arrogant is that 'prepared to be strung along', it's the best evidence of a flawed debate when somebody doesn;t except somebody else's opinion, and just completely wipe it away.

As i say, I trust the Tory's more than I ever will this Labour Government, once there is a new leader, then i will revaluate, in either party that is.

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it's not arrogant. The tories are doing exactly what anti Corbyn people are saying Corbyn will do but they are accepting it from the tories. They are quite within their right to do that but it seems bizzarre to me.

NorthernWisdom said:

Fucking hell.

I'm at work, so can't retrieve you the absolute quote, but I fail to see why Mr Corbyn saying that yes he condemns the IRA is not sufficient for accepting he condemns the IRA.

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As I say I found the article where that interview is from. And all it Is, is a load of questions sent to the Labour Party, answered by one of his backroom staff.

So it’s not Mr Corbyn saying he condemns them?

Edit: this is the article: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/metro....inally-called-the-ira-terrorists-6653633/amp/

But as I say it’s not him answering the questions as it clearly states.

clint van damme said:

it's not arrogant. The tories are doing exactly what anti Corbyn people are saying Corbyn will do but they are accepting it from the tories. They are quite within their right to do that but it seems bizzarre to me.

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You completely dismiss others views because they aren’t yours! That is arrogance.
You are acting like all tories say and want the same thing.
As I have said probably 100 times now. I don’t like EITHER party, or either leader at this moment in time. I just think the conservatives are the better of the two.

skybluegod said:

That's just your post? Can you post a link to the actual interview and then I will admit i'm wrong haha.

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The first comment was a loose statement. The second i believe was post his election as leader and its like an arsonist denying he sets fires.

He saw the Ira as right and just. His attempt to fool the audience may work with those who won't accept the truth.

skybluegod said:

Sad thing is, is that it sets a terrible example to kids, that she can get away with that.

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As it's pretty much the only example her kids see (as the rest of the family are all benefits cheats and treat working as some horrible disease to avoid at all costs) it's very likely her kids will end up the same. It makes me so sad.

xcraigx said:

As it's pretty much the only example her kids see (as the rest of the family are all benefits cheats and treat working as some horrible disease to avoid at all costs) it's very likely her kids will end up the same. It makes me so sad.

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Yeah it is sad, but guess it’s impossible to stop unless you throw them out on the street

Grendel said:

The first comment was a loose statement. The second i believe was post his election as leader and its like an arsonist denying he sets fires.

He saw the Ira as right and just. His attempt to fool the audience may work with those who won't accept the truth.

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Yeah I found the link grendal, and if you look it’s a Labour Party response rather than one from Corbyn

skybluegod said:

Yeah I found the link grendal, and if you look it’s a Labour Party response rather than one from Corbyn

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I think the bombs and the bullets speech is more revealing along with countless others referring to the IRA as our cause and they are freedom fighters.

McDonnell have a rallying call at an IRA funeral alongside a bomber on the run. One of them(Corbyn I think) was detained when protesting on behalf of Patrick Magee the Brighton Bomber. He and Abbott edited a magazine whose editorial praised the attack in Brighton.

If that's condemnation I'd hate to see what liking them would look like.

skybluegod said:

You completely dismiss others views because they aren’t yours! That is arrogance.
You are acting like all tories say and want the same thing.
As I have said probably 100 times now. I don’t like EITHER party, or either leader at this moment in time. I just think the conservatives are the better of the two.

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I haven't dismissed it, I disagree with it and don't understand it, that's not arrogance.