PH4 .just a thought (1 Viewer)

[cloughie]

I may have missed th something but it occurred to me as some have suggested that PH4 may be just as bad as sisu and not interested inthe football club but only developing the land around the arena

So why does he not just buy the Higgs share so he can develop the land making ACL more stable, also in the knowledge that sisu would be less inclined to bid for CCFC Ltd if they know they will not be able to get their hands on the Ricoh regardless of who owns the club Ltd or holdings.

I don't believe sisu will get investors to back a new stadium it isn't viable

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

The things I'm weary about is him being a 'property developer', but that could have it's own strengths as well though, and how much of his wealth is 'real' as in not tied up in property value.

 

[SkybluG]

or PH4 may go in with SISU to build a new stadium with the associated hotels etc etc and get maximum return on it, unlike the arena where without a footy club what sort of return would he get?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I've said that on another thread call make it known that the whole area is up for grabs or a sale has been agreed with him what do Sisu do then?

 

[jon92]

or PH4 may go in with SISU to build a new stadium with the associated hotels etc etc and get maximum return on it, unlike the arena where without a footy club what sort of return would he get?

Hotels in cov ain't doing well at the minute so that would just be a waste of money

 

[WillieStanley]

Hotels in cov ain't doing well at the minute so that would just be a waste of money

That's because at the moment, there's more hotels than corner shops!!

 

[Godiva]

That's because at the moment, there's more hotels than corner shops!!

So build more corner shops ...

 

[Mr T - Sukka!]

Joe Eliot and Gary Hoffman i dont think would waste time with the wrong person.

This club could be massive if run correctly and in the premier leauge.

Currently its being run like a wet flange!

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Joe Eliot and Gary Hoffman i dont think would waste time with the wrong person.

This club could be massive if run correctly and in the premier leauge.

Currently its being run like a wet flange!

Sorry but did you mean by not like just like clarification

 

[Lets all sing together]

This club could be massive if run correctly and in the premier leauge.

Currently its being run like a wet flange!

Home attendance

Average Minimum Maximum Total Capacity %Full
1 Manchester Utd 73 452 36 121 75 605 1 395 593 76 212 96,4%
2 Arsenal 60 079 59 872 60 112 1 141 507 60 355 99,6%
3 Newcastle Utd 50 517 43 858 52 385 959 826 52 387 96,4%
4 Manchester City 46 974 45 579 47 386 892 506 47 726 98,4%
5 Liverpool 44 748 44 228 45 009 850 224 45 362 98,7%
6 Chelsea 41 462 38 484 41 794 787 786 41 841 99,1%
7 Sunderland 40 544 35 628 47 456 770 344 49 000 82,7%
8 Everton 36 355 31 376 39 613 690 763 40 569 89,6%
9 Tottenham 36 065 35 534 36 736 685 239 36 736 98,2%
10 Aston Villa 35 059 28 692 42 084 666 135 42 788 82,0%
11 West Ham Utd 34 719 33 052 35 005 659 677 35 016 99,2%
12 Southampton 30 873 28 004 32 070 586 602 32 689 94,4%
13 Stoke City 26 722 22 690 27 544 507 727 27 592 96,9%
14 Norwich City 26 671 26 072 26 842 506 762 27 033 98,7%
15 Fulham 25 394 24 087 25 700 482 492 25 700 98,8%
16 West Bromwich 25 326 23 854 26 438 481 208 28 003 90,4%
17 Reading 23 862 22 321 24 184 453 378 24 200 98,6%
18 Swansea City 20 369 19 603 20 650 387 028 20 650 98,6%
19 Wigan Athletic 19 359 15 436 23 001 367 827 25 138 77,0%
20 QP Rangers 17 779 16 658 18 337 337 804 18 360 96,8%

think we'd safely sit 13th attendance wise

 

[Ripbuster]

I wonder whether P4 is related to P1

 

[Grendel]

Home attendance

Average Minimum Maximum Total Capacity %Full
1 Manchester Utd 73 452 36 121 75 605 1 395 593 76 212 96,4%
2 Arsenal 60 079 59 872 60 112 1 141 507 60 355 99,6%
3 Newcastle Utd 50 517 43 858 52 385 959 826 52 387 96,4%
4 Manchester City 46 974 45 579 47 386 892 506 47 726 98,4%
5 Liverpool 44 748 44 228 45 009 850 224 45 362 98,7%
6 Chelsea 41 462 38 484 41 794 787 786 41 841 99,1%
7 Sunderland 40 544 35 628 47 456 770 344 49 000 82,7%
8 Everton 36 355 31 376 39 613 690 763 40 569 89,6%
9 Tottenham 36 065 35 534 36 736 685 239 36 736 98,2%
10 Aston Villa 35 059 28 692 42 084 666 135 42 788 82,0%
11 West Ham Utd 34 719 33 052 35 005 659 677 35 016 99,2%
12 Southampton 30 873 28 004 32 070 586 602 32 689 94,4%
13 Stoke City 26 722 22 690 27 544 507 727 27 592 96,9%
14 Norwich City 26 671 26 072 26 842 506 762 27 033 98,7%
15 Fulham 25 394 24 087 25 700 482 492 25 700 98,8%
16 West Bromwich 25 326 23 854 26 438 481 208 28 003 90,4%
17 Reading 23 862 22 321 24 184 453 378 24 200 98,6%
18 Swansea City 20 369 19 603 20 650 387 028 20 650 98,6%
19 Wigan Athletic 19 359 15 436 23 001 367 827 25 138 77,0%
20 QP Rangers 17 779 16 658 18 337 337 804 18 360 96,8%

think we'd safely sit 13th attendance wise

Based on what statistical analysis and model forecasting do you base this assumption on?

 

[NorthernWisdom]

Joe Eliot and Gary Hoffman i dont think would waste time with the wrong person.

They were quite happy to waste time with SISU.

Elliott was quite happy to waste time with Robinson and McGinnity

 

[Grendel]

Joe Eliot and Gary Hoffman i dont think would waste time with the wrong person

Elliot's form would contradict this statement.

Haskell wanted other clubs. Leeds is the best example. Google the pics of Haskell and bates together. Charton was another. He did not pull out of the Leeds deal he was outbid. He may be interested or he may be one if those annoying people when you put your house up for sale who pops round to view because he likes to view.

 

[Lets all sing together]

Based on what statistical analysis and model forecasting do you base this assumption on?

1) the statistics are there
2) model forecasting - My model is based on the other 'high' and 'average' attendances - as I said , I think we'd sit 13th in the attendance table were we in that division

Stoke's stats : Average 26 722 minimum 22 690 maximum 27 544 total 507 727 capacity 27 592 96,9%

I don't think that's unrealistic were we in that division

 

[SkyBlueHomer]

Cant we do a bit more digging around to see what we can find out about this bloke? Can't be that hard surely.

If Google doesnt no, well it doesnt exist way I see it

 

[the rumpo kid]

I may have missed th something but it occurred to me as some have suggested that PH4 may be just as bad as sisu and not interested inthe football club but only developing the land around the arena

So why does he not just buy the Higgs share so he can develop the land making ACL more stable, also in the knowledge that sisu would be less inclined to bid for CCFC Ltd if they know they will not be able to get their hands on the Ricoh regardless of who owns the club Ltd or holdings.

I don't believe sisu will get investors to back a new stadium it isn't viable

nobody can buy the higgs share of the ricoh without first buying the club ! that is in the original contact between ACL the council ccfc and the higgs charity. the land around the stadium go'es hand in hand with the ownership of the stadium, hense the council will never sell there half of the ricoh untill after the land has been developed.

 

[dongonzalos]

Mr Haskell is not a cov fan.

He will not be interested in supporting Coventry.

All we can hope is that he understands that the only way his property development will make money is if he makes a success of the club.

Only a real thick set of business people would not be able to work that out...........

 

[Grendel]

Mr Haskell is not a cov fan.

He will not be interested in supporting Coventry.

All we can hope is that he understands that the only way his property development will make money is if he makes a success of the club.

Only a real thick set of business people would not be able to work that out...........

So are you saying any business person who is not interested is thick?

 

[cloughie]

In the opening post I gave a scenario that would be possible but If PH4 outbids susu for Ltd then maybe he may have a genuine interest in having a successful football team.

 

[dongonzalos]

So are you saying any business person who is not interested is thick?

No that once you own the club to not realise it has to be successful in order to make money....

 

[stupot07]

No that once you own the club to not realise it has to be successful in order to make money....

people rarely make money from football clubs regardless of how successful they are, they're money pits.

 

[dongonzalos]

people rarely make money from football clubs regardless of how successful they are, they're money pits.

You definitely won't make money if you don't try and make the football side a relative success.

When you will be trying to develop the surrounding land.

 

[stupot07]

You definitely won't make money if you don't try and make the football side a relative success.

When you will be trying to develop the surrounding land.

Doherty didnt make much money trying to make forest a relative success....and Leicesters owners aren't making much money either, neither are qpr's....

Owners just don't make money from football clubs.

 

[wingy]

In the opening post I gave a scenario that would be possible but If PH4 outbids susu for Ltd then maybe he may have a genuine interest in having a successful football team.

IT may be totally off beam but would be interesting to discover if Haskel or Indeed ACL bought LTD regardless of where the share is/Was or indeed where it ultimately ended up be it from the League or through Litigation to Holdings ,whether Holdings can the be Sued for the remainder of the Lease .
However possibly answering my own question it was muted on a thread on here last night in some information from companies house in a very strange format from a poster called Ripbuster and acknowledged by Bennetts Afro that it appeared that SISU had also put a Charge /Debenture on holdings through a court in Ireland the Day after going to court to put themselves into Admin.

I'm guessing that was to close that particular door.:thinking about:

 

[SkyBlueBlood]

Home attendance

Average Minimum Maximum Total Capacity %Full
1 Manchester Utd 73 452 36 121 75 605 1 395 593 76 212 96,4%
2 Arsenal 60 079 59 872 60 112 1 141 507 60 355 99,6%
3 Newcastle Utd 50 517 43 858 52 385 959 826 52 387 96,4%
4 Manchester City 46 974 45 579 47 386 892 506 47 726 98,4%
5 Liverpool 44 748 44 228 45 009 850 224 45 362 98,7%
6 Chelsea 41 462 38 484 41 794 787 786 41 841 99,1%
7 Sunderland 40 544 35 628 47 456 770 344 49 000 82,7%
8 Everton 36 355 31 376 39 613 690 763 40 569 89,6%
9 Tottenham 36 065 35 534 36 736 685 239 36 736 98,2%
10 Aston Villa 35 059 28 692 42 084 666 135 42 788 82,0%
11 West Ham Utd 34 719 33 052 35 005 659 677 35 016 99,2%
12 Southampton 30 873 28 004 32 070 586 602 32 689 94,4%
13 Stoke City 26 722 22 690 27 544 507 727 27 592 96,9%
14 Norwich City 26 671 26 072 26 842 506 762 27 033 98,7%
15 Fulham 25 394 24 087 25 700 482 492 25 700 98,8%
16 West Bromwich 25 326 23 854 26 438 481 208 28 003 90,4%
17 Reading 23 862 22 321 24 184 453 378 24 200 98,6%
18 Swansea City 20 369 19 603 20 650 387 028 20 650 98,6%
19 Wigan Athletic 19 359 15 436 23 001 367 827 25 138 77,0%
20 QP Rangers 17 779 16 658 18 337 337 804 18 360 96,8%

think we'd safely sit 13th attendance wise

Got to love any stat that has Villa second worst in the league.

 

[mark82]

Doherty didnt make much money trying to make forest a relative success....and Leicesters owners aren't making much money either, neither are qpr's....

Owners just don't make money from football clubs.

As far as they know they weren't trying to develop the land around their stadiums - which will make money. The football side of the business is likely to make a loss, however, I think it would be reasonable if we were filling our ground to make the club break even.

I think the real point is that premier league football and/or near capacity crowds would bring custom to any other businesses he creates around the arena area. Hence football success = business success.

Clearly has to be a sensible balance though.