Astute
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So how does that graph answer my question? Graphs don't build houses.
The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (60 Viewers)
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Astute
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Me deflect? What a joke.
I am still asking the same question. Nobody has answered it. All I have got is deflection, accusations of being racist, you trying to say that I blame your family, getting accused of being a Tory as I pointed out that Labour had been in power for 13 of the last 20 years, only using biased reporting.... then you quote the Sun..... getting told I have got the numbers wrong time and time again qhen I have shown the proof from a government site....to which you tried to say wasn't a government site.
Yes housebuilding reached a peak at about the start of the 70's. It was when slum clearing hit a peak. It was when the large council estates were being built.
Yes social housing has been decimated by the right to buy and not getting replaced. It was Maggie buying votes. But each government since has been guilty of doing nothing. But selling off social housing hasn't made people homeless. People still live in these homes. But affordable housing has been decimated.
So back to the same old question. How do we home the homeless when our population is going up by about half a million each year?
Nor does the government
Astute
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So where have I said that they do?
They should stop building companies from building up land banks. Free up money for the smaller building companies as the banks have stopped lending to them. Limit the amount of time that planning permission lasts for. If the time elapses hit them with big penalties.
And most of all get back to building social housing. Then they can start chipping away at the housing crisis. There is no overnight fix whatever they do.
Actually agree with you completely..... that Mythos must have done you some good..;-)
Astute
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My points have always been the same. But we always get bogged down with the same shite. We don't argue about the need to build. The biggest point is what to do now.
It would take years of building properties at full speed to catch up with where we should be. That to me is a major problem. Because even without migration our population will still grow very fast.
My elder kids are doing OK. They all own properties but one. The younger ones will be given the house we now live in when I retire in about 10 years. But most kids won't be this lucky.
SkyblueBazza
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Well if they weren't particularly bothered by the potential outcome - why would they bother to vote?
Any support they give to support the remain campaign now is absolutely worthless...& along with yours is utterly futile.
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SkyblueBazza
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Never said he doesn't have to...if he chooses to or not is up to him
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SkyblueBazza
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And in 20yrs time you & Mart will still be blaming Farage & Boris for Brexit because "They stitched us up"
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clint van damme
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they didn't stitch me up, I saw through them a long time ago.
SkyblueBazza
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How many free-trade agreements were ruined when we joined the EU though?
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Sky-bluer1
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And how old are we all going to be then to old to care ??
SkyblueBazza
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All bollocks though. A banana is a banana is a banana. Some are big some are small & some are more bendy than others.Bendy Bananas - the Myth to end all Myths
26/05/2016
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The EU trying to ban straight & bendy bananas is perhaps the most well-established Euromyth of them all. Is Brussels really meddling in what our beloved bananas should look like?
Yes & No.
Bananas are classified by quality and size so they can be traded internationally. Quality standards are also needed so that people know what they are buying and that the produce meets their expectations.
Straight & bendy are not banned by the EU. Commission Regulation 2257/94 identifies certain restrictions for fruits that producers have to conform to in order to sell their produce within the EU. The regulation states that bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature."
Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape" and Class 2 bananas full-on "defects of shape".
In 2011 this regulation and other relevant rules were brought together for the sake of clarity under a single implementing regulation (1333/2011), and in 2013 a further change simplified reporting requirements (implementing regulation 565/2013).
Why have no such classifications come out for onions (don't wish to upset the French) or tomatoes?
All bollocks
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Grendel
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He throws so many rocks to deflect his crumbling defence of the Fedaralist monstrosity I don't even know what he is referring to
SkyblueBazza
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So you are unhappy with 52% of voters determining the outcome of the EU referendum but happy with 33% of voters determining the outcome of the German election?
That is democracy at work.
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SkyblueBazza
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Sick Boy
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I will still be an EU citizen and living in the EU by then and looking from the outside.
Sick Boy
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What are you going on about? Both Farage and Johnson are nothing other than self-serving bastards. Johnson isn't even a true Brexiteer and has gone in that direction for self-interest. The less said about Farage the better.
Sick Boy
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Still waiting for you to answer about if you'd accept Scotland or Wales declaring independence without parliamentary approval by the way.
Grendel
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Well our government permitted a referendum as it believes in democratic process following devolution.
Given that the Spanish government acted in a draconian and barbaric way you'd more associate the Catalonians with the struggle in Ireland surely? So your view would be consistent.
Unlike you I support civil liberty and freedom so of course I support the people who have been beaten and oppressed by the Spanish government and it's police force acting like a malitia.
Next you'll be saying if women weren't allowed to vote they are not allowed the right to protest and struggle.
I assume you take the EU views that the police actions were proportionate and justified?
Nice.
Astute
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That is some 'what if'
Could you imagine us sending in thousands of police to attack Scottish people who only wanted to vote?
I am all for people deciding for themselves. Of course there will always be winners and losers. But what other way can we do it other than the majority deciding?
Scotland wanted a referendum. They were given the right to vote. They voted to remain a part of the UK. In the EU vote they voted to remain, but as they are a part of the UK the vote was to leave. The English vote was over the 52%. But when it came down to the UK vote that was what it came down to.
The Scottish didn't want a second vote. But maybe they will want one now we have voted to leave the EU. And I can't see us being like Spain and attacking their people to get what the English want. They would get their vote. That is what democracy is all about.
How do you get 33%? If... Merkel forms a government it will be around 53%, but it won’t alter the constitution. To do that she needs over 60% ( or two thirds of the Bundestag- not sure which). A simple majority is not enough to alter the constitution. A government is put to reelection every 4 years. Brexit is a major change and there is no option to change after 4 years. A major decision like that should have had 60 or maybe 66% behind it. 52% on the day is not a decisive victory- as Farage said before the vote.
There are classifications for most things. The only reason you know about bananas is because of propaganda from people like Boris Johnson.
I saw through this bollocks the first time I saw Farage. I wrote to UKIP and told them they were talking BS at the time. My brother worked for UKIP in Brussels - before he got sacked for discovering the MEPs corruption. His boss landed in nick and my brother sent the info to Private Eye. My brother helped Labour Leave ( he hates labour) at the referendum. We don’t talk to each other now - not because of Brexit, although that doesn’t help.
Astute
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Did I just see you agree with Farage on something?
The Sun is biased and should be ignored. You will get pulled up just for mentioning the name. But if it says something that could be taken in an argument on behalf of the EU it is OK.
Farage is a racist bigoted prick and should be ignored. You will get pulled up just for mentioning his name. But if he says something that could be taken in an argument on behalf of the EU it is OK.
No double standards?
They would get their vote if the government of the UK allowed it. Then it would be legal and fair to both sides.
The difference with Catalonia is that the Spanish Constitutional Court declared it as not on accordance with the constitution. Not only that, but they needed at least 90 seats to call a referendum according to the Catalonian Constitution, but only got 72 votes. So in both counts it was illegal. What means does the government have to stop an illegal vote? And why do you think ignoring laws and constitutions of a democratic country is democracy?
Absolutely not. I wouldn’t quote Farage under normal circumstances, but when talking to believers it sometimes helps to point out what Farage told them before the referendum. They may take more notice of Farage than just me.
clint van damme
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to be fair to Boris he was a fervent Europohile when the banana story broke!
Sick Boy
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Hahaha you are priceless.
I highlighted the fact that the story was in the Sun to show that it was published in various publications. Funnily enough, the Sun's article seemed to be against the UK and EU''s plans.
After you quoted the express to back up your argument, I'd leave it there.
Sick Boy
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It's even less democratic as the vast majority of those wanting to go out and vote wouldn't have done so.
Do you ever consider that there may be two sides to a story?
Not all Catalonians want independence. We would only know the real feelings if it were a free and fair vote.
To get that they have to act in accordance with the Spanish and the Catalonian Constitution/ Law. It may be impossible under Spanish law, but it would be possible in Catalonia if the Parliament had at least 90 votes in favour of a referendum. The Catalonian government got 72 votes and ignored Catalonian law by going ahead. A totally undemocratic move.
Nice.
The EU have condemned the police brutality, which itself, although unacceptable, turned out to be greatly exaggerated.
The EU supports legal self determination through the Prodi principle.
Astute
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How many pro EU on here were saying that there should have been a re-election because May just failed to get the majority?
Then Merkel gets only a third of the vote and needs about 4 other parties to join her. But it is OK.
Astute
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Would you go out and vote if you knew that the police were attacking voters?
Merkel is not taking Germany out of the EU. May is responsible for the most important international negotiations concerning the future of the UK since WWII. A big difference.
That’s what he is saying. Both sides have got to get back to the table.
