Will they ever go? (1 Viewer)

[covboy1987]

And if so, when?

This much is clear:

- They will never get a return on their investment

- They will never get the Ricoh Arena

- They lost JR1

- They will lose JR2.

- They could get a few million for Ryton and rent somewhere else to make whichever council it is happy

- NOPM is ineffective and detrimental to CCFC because they are no longer funding losses and just cut the budget/sell players accordingly. This just hurts the club more (not that I believe this movement really exists anyway)

So whats next? We need them gone because with them at the helm we will be a non league club in 5 years time. I don't disagree with the break even policy despite many morons on here making out it is something ludicrous. Obviously the preference would be a sugar daddy but that is a pipedream, so if the club is going to be sustainable this needs to happen. But it's how it's done.

They do not give a shit about football and they do not give a shit about the fans. Crucially therefore, they take no responsibility or bear any accountability for the football related decisions being made, and this alone is why we are looking at 4th division football next year. Giving idiots like Mowbray, Venus, and Fisher the free reign to sign the absolute dross they have, will soon see us fall pit of the football league.

But when? Ryton then cut their losses this summer? We can dream. Genuine thoughts welcome

The 5-year non-league club comment could actually be about 12 months away the way it is going

 

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[Irish Sky Blue]

Hi Irish Sky Blue , my family are from Bray , Co Wicklow . :happy:

Mine are from West Wicklow but I know Bray quite well and have walked up Bray Head and been along the sea front there a few times. We sort of adopted Bray Wanderers as our team in Ireland as they were the only League of Ireland club from Wicklow. Another ambition would be to see them play at some time. There is a Michael Collins connection there too as "Croke Park" in the Liam Neeson film was actually Bray Wanderers stadium. In typical Irish fashion they still have the stand along one side that was built for the film but it has no safety certificate so no one can go in it for games. ( That was a few years ago so may have changed). Do you get over there much?

 

[skyblue025]

But then what? I certainly wouldn't be putting my hand in my picket to throw more money at the club. Would you?
A lot of people on here will only be happy when someone is throwing millions and millions at the club each year, with no return.

If it's fan owned we could still look to run at break even. With bigger crowds the revenue would increase. We wouldn't be paying "Consultancy fees" to an owner. I'm not saying we would storm up the league's but at least we would be rid of SISU and control our own destiny rather than slowly dying a death by a 1000 cuts.

 

[robbiekeane]

If it's fan owned we could still look to run at break even. With bigger crowds the revenue would increase. We wouldn't be paying "Consultancy fees" to an owner. I'm not saying we would storm up the league's but at least we would be rid of SISU and control our own destiny rather than slowly dying a death by a 1000 cuts.

What consultancy fees do we pay?
Do you mean mgmt fees? Weren't they just to cover the losses being funded in a different account?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

A couple of fan owned failures for the doubters:

There's no proof that a fan owned Club wouldn't work, but!.. We'd need a Stadium at least double the size of the Ricoh to make it work. (Bayern Munich 65k) and (Barcelona over 100k) Oh yes! and SISU to have fucked off too

 

[NorthernWisdom]

There's no proof that a fan owned Club wouldn't work, but!.. We'd need a Stadium at least double the size of the Ricoh to make it work. (Bayern Munich 65k) and (Barcelona over 100k) Oh yes! and SISU to have fucked off too

But you're not comparing like with like.

When it comes to fan owned clubs in England, it works as a firefighting measure (sometimes), but long term you have to sell on to progress... and hope the owners don't get dazzled by a Munto Finance.

Now, in a general sense something like Macclesfield's structure would be interesting to impose on clubs in general. Doesn't have to be fan owned then, but isn't solely about profit... What is a Community Interest Company?

 

[stevefloyd]

At the minute I would take Shitsu staying IF they got rid of fuck face... showed a fucking interest in their investment and if they backed the manager and the team

 

[Gosford Green]

When Fisher said the words "batter people in court" he meant SISU buy up debt of companies that have assets and they aggressively pursue these debts through the courts, mainly in the US. She applied a scorched earth case in JR1 and that as good as killed off the football club, Joy will not back down on this legal route despite requests from the actual football people at CCFC, she does not care if the club has no where to play her concern is maximum gain or recovery for her investors. This cup run has gave them an unexpected £500k+. On this basis I would settle for any owners apart from what we currently have, under SISU we will end up defunct.

Fan ownership would give the things we lack and that is a future and hope.

 

[chiefdave]

We wouldn't be paying "Consultancy fees" to an owner.

Allegedly Fisher isn't being paid by the club. If the fans took over unless you're expecting Jan or Moz to run the club for free you'd be paying a 6 figure salary for a chief exec.

 

[covcity4life]

not sure i would want a fan in charge

some fans wanted slade after all because he will play old school get into them brand of footy etc

although cant be worse than what we have currently....

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Mine are from West Wicklow but I know Bray quite well and have walked up Bray Head and been along the sea front there a few times. We sort of adopted Bray Wanderers as our team in Ireland as they were the only League of Ireland club from Wicklow. Another ambition would be to see them play at some time. There is a Michael Collins connection there too as "Croke Park" in the Liam Neeson film was actually Bray Wanderers stadium. In typical Irish fashion they still have the stand along one side that was built for the film but it has no safety certificate so no one can go in it for games. ( That was a few years ago so may have changed). Do you get over there much?

Yes I.S.B. I try and get over to Bray as often as I can , my dad ( RIP ) born in Bray was the eldest of 11 brother's and sisters .
So as you can imagine that's a lot of Aunts , Uncle's and Cousins !
Dad moved to COV in 1938 , then aged 18 , looking for work, but then a year later the 2nd world war broke out .
To his credit he signed up and join the RAF ( Lancaster Bombers ) he could have just gone back to Bray !!!
Then while on active services his Lancaster Bomber ( on returning to Blighty ) was attacked by the LUFTWAFFE
and had to make an emergency landing , he survived but had a badly burnt leg .
Then after the war was over he got a job at the Standard Triumph motor company in Canley , Cov .
Then dad met mum in Cov and had thee boys, which makes me a VERY PROUD COV KID.
Then after 30 years while still working at the Standard Triumph he sadly passed away .

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Yes I.S.B. I try and get over to Bray as often as I can , my dad ( RIP ) born in Bray was the eldest of 11 brother's and sisters .
So as you can imagine that's a lot of Aunts , Uncle's and Cousins !
Dad moved to COV in 1938 , then aged 18 , looking for work, but then a year later the 2nd world war broke out .
To his credit he signed up and join the RAF ( Lancaster Bombers ) he could have just gone back to Bray !!!
Then while on active services his Lancaster Bomber ( on returning to Blighty ) was attacked by the LUFTWAFFE
and had to make an emergency landing , he survived but had a badly burnt leg .
Then after the war was over he got a job at the Standard Triumph motor company in Canley , Cov .
Then dad met mum in Cov and had thee boys, which makes me a VERY PROUD COV KID.
Then after 30 years while still working at the Standard Triumph he sadly passed away .

A great story. I can see you are rightly very proud of your dad. My dad was a labourer on the Poulaphouca dam in Blessinton. When the project finished in 1939 he moved with the construction company to England, no work in Ireland. My mum moved over soon after and they were married over here. He got a job as a miner at Binley Pit, a reserved occupation, as it came with a colliery house in the village. I am proud too to say my dad was a miner, ahard, hard job. Working down the pit wrecked his health. When the colliery closed he worked at GEC at Stoke. They both lived in Coventry for the rest of their lives. I love my Irish background but I love my Coventry roots too.

 

[duffer]

Yes I.S.B. I try and get over to Bray as often as I can , my dad ( RIP ) born in Bray was the eldest of 11 brother's and sisters .
So as you can imagine that's a lot of Aunts , Uncle's and Cousins !
Dad moved to COV in 1938 , then aged 18 , looking for work, but then a year later the 2nd world war broke out .
To his credit he signed up and join the RAF ( Lancaster Bombers ) he could have just gone back to Bray !!!
Then while on active services his Lancaster Bomber ( on returning to Blighty ) was attacked by the LUFTWAFFE
and had to make an emergency landing , he survived but had a badly burnt leg .
Then after the war was over he got a job at the Standard Triumph motor company in Canley , Cov .
Then dad met mum in Cov and had thee boys, which makes me a VERY PROUD COV KID.
Then after 30 years while still working at the Standard Triumph he sadly passed away .

Justifiably proud, CKNQ. Sounds like a good man, your old fella.

Fwiw I've seen Bray play, and against Coventry City too. A pre-season friendly the season after we'd been relegated. Lovely place, top pint of Porter if you're a drinking man. Which true to my paddy heritage, I am.

 

[Steve.B50]

As much as I want Sisu to go, I genuinely think fan ownership would be complete madness and fail.

Edit: Unless there was some serious backers involved and it wasn't just me and Dave from the wheatsheaf sticking a tenner in every month.[/QUOTE


Ok, can understand your point of view.
However, if the fans owned the club do you think they would run it themselves, no they would find a "Fisher" type person to run it for them. The person running the club would have the job of finding these backers and selling the potential.
The fan ownership is only the start of the journey not the end, I cannot see any other option.
Even if the rumours were true and we had a buyer they would want fan involvement and I would imagine some sort of fan investment even if only 20% like Swansea.
We have to start somewhere the alternative is to continue this slow death.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Justifiably proud, CKNQ. Sounds like a good man, your old fella.

Fwiw I've seen Bray play, and against Coventry City too. A pre-season friendly the season after we'd been relegated. Lovely place, top pint of Porter if you're a drinking man. Which true to my paddy heritage, I am.

I never knew we had had a game against Bray.

 

[skyblue025]

Allegedly Fisher isn't being paid by the club. If the fans took over unless you're expecting Jan or Moz to run the club for free you'd be paying a 6 figure salary for a chief exec.

So considerably less than we paid last year according to.accounts in consultancy fees. I'm not saying it definitely is the answer but could It be worse than where we now and going. If the fans could stump up some money who's to say an investor wouldn't come in alongside. It's never going to happen though a the fan base is too divided and that is the real crime Seppala and her cronies have committed.

 

[duffer]

I never knew we had had a game against Bray.

You had me worried, so I had to go and try to dig it up. It was over fifteen years ago. God I feel old!

Bray draw with Coventry City

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Justifiably proud, CKNQ. Sounds like a good man, your old fella.

Fwiw I've seen Bray play, and against Coventry City too. A pre-season friendly the season after we'd been relegated. Lovely place, top pint of Porter if you're a drinking man. Which true to my paddy heritage, I am.

Thanks for those kind words Duffer , had many a good time in Bray .
I don't know if you had time to go to the top of Bray Head, if you had a hangover it would certainly clear your head !
Fantastic views, and on a clear day you can see the Welsh Mountains across the Irish Sea ! :happy:
But sadly because of work commitments I missed the per-season friendly between Bray and the Sky Blues .

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

A great story. I can see you are rightly very proud of your dad. My dad was a labourer on the Poulaphouca dam in Blessinton. When the project finished in 1939 he moved with the construction company to England, no work in Ireland. My mum moved over soon after and they were married over here. He got a job as a miner at Binley Pit, a reserved occupation, as it came with a colliery house in the village. I am proud too to say my dad was a miner, ahard, hard job. Working down the pit wrecked his health. When the colliery closed he worked at GEC at Stoke. They both lived in Coventry for the rest of their lives. I love my Irish background but I love my Coventry roots too.

Thanks Irish Sky Blue , perhaps me you and Duffer could meet up in the Casino for a few beers before a home game as long as it not a mid week game , work the next morning ! I'll leave it up to you . PUSB .

 

[robbiekeane]

Excellent everyone is mates

I see other threads about takeover etc. I can't see it myself. I think they're here for the duration and it's a shame because my 20s should be spent enjoying supporting my football team. At the moment I do not