Nick
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Exactly, I don't doubt that the PR team would have targeted him and "rounded up the troops" as such.
You can't fault the PR work at all, it did exactly what it said on the tin. It is just weird now they are denying it happened.
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Exactly, I don't doubt that the PR team would have targeted him and "rounded up the troops" as such.
You can't fault the PR work at all, it did exactly what it said on the tin. It is just weird now they are denying it happened.
Moff
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italiahorse
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italiahorse
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Not the case. Perhaps your getting confused with matchday costs which we have to cover now anyway.
SkyBlueZack
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So you don't think there is another option then? We must all blindly follow other clubs in the hope it suits us or works? Out of curisoity, what do you make of Arsenal's financial strategy? They have consistently challenged for the top four and make a profit. I know they have fans calling for money to be spent. But nonetheless they are a successful club who are sustainable.
italiahorse
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italiahorse
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If we balance the books statistically we will stay in the Championship and it will be down to luck if we get to the PL.
Perhaps with this manager we have that luck but I believe he also struggled with Championship clubs.
Nick
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What wasn't the case?
chiefdave
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You only have to look at the Telegraph comments or their facebook page to see that people take a lot of what is printed at face value and don't look past the headlines.
chiefdave
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We were paying £1.2m a year rent for the offices, club shop and 20 something days use of the stadium. To use the stadium we paid around £400K a year in matchday costs (and that doesn't include the matchday costs the club paid directly). We then had to purchase things like hospitality at a premium restricting how much we could make from it.
As you say Swansea and Ospreys pay a peppercorn rent and between them contribute £1m to stadium maintenance in return for which they have total control over the stadium and the revnues it generate.
One of those deals certainly looks a lot better than the other to me.
italiahorse
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A bit like people interpreting yesterday Sisu only input as the facts ?
Grendel
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eastwoodsdustman
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Which part is not the case? Running costs? marked up utilities? you decide. I've been told by more than one person connected to the club that they were paying way more than they should or could have for the office space, shop etc and the associated bits like electric phones etc. Pretty sure that most 'reasonable councils wont be doing this to their tennants even if they use a third party to do like CCC.
chiefdave
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I assume you are referring to posters on here. I would say there is a realatively intelligent discussion on here where people have looked at the evidence presented yesterday. Or are you saying SISU have fabricated the documents?
Compare that to the typical comments on the CT site. Any mention of CCFC gets the same response with people quoting as fact things that are factually incorrect.
James Smith
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The council managed to criticise Sisu for taking our club away from the city and fans to Northampton, which was fine because that shouldn't have happened. No problem whatsoever with that it's the other side of the coin where it's screwed up. Having said moving teams is wrong and pointing the finger at Sisu very publicly for doing so, what did they do next? They welcomed the approaches from a club that was playing further away than we were at Sixfields to move all those miles to our stadium and City. However they didn't stop with just that.... Having done that they agreed to increase the lease for ACL fivefold and then sell the company to them.
Staggering hypocrisy, how can it not be okay for Sisu to take our club away from the fans yet the second someone else i.e. Wasps wants to do it - no problem.
In defence of Sisu (and I don't think I've ever said that before) despite the problems off the pitch we're top of the league. After last season where we all know what happened and the position we ended up in that's a major turn around. Sadly this is balanced by the idea of the new stadium still being banded about with no further real news years on from the original announcement.
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Nick
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I don't think many are talking about what their laywer or they have said, just looking at the evidence which is factual isn't it? Unless it was photoshopped.
covcity4life
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now im wondering if the CET journalists actually comment on their own articles? to pretend the people of coventry agree with them
italiahorse
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It seems that it can be interpreted several ways.
A lot of it is normal speak behind closed doors except the Sisu speak we never see.
I would not like to be the person who pulls this together.
I assume that Sisu need this to find in their favour to feed into the JR.
Nick
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What can be interpreted in different ways? A lot of it is there in black and white.
The council (not ACL) talk about media war
They talk about a job being done on Joy early
They talk about turning reporters
They talk about targetting Joy
It has emailed from supporters direct dealing with the PR company which I'd hazard a guess is why SISU didn't want to deal with the Trust. (which I can understand now if that's the case).
Grendel
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You have a history of starting threads which normally begin by saying you won't take sides but always then as ever 100% support one side and a lot of your posting is on this subject. Odd as you have no interest in it.
The one you started urging people not to go to Northampton and continuing to harm the club was a classic.
That did produce one comedy quote from Italia though - they he can hold his head up high in years to come as he never went to sixfields. A man with anti franchise principals.
covmark
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Can't disagree with any of that.
Yes, I judge that they don't like dealing with SISU. In order to judge whether they were justified, I would like to put their actions in context with SISU's actions at the time - and with SISU's past actions.
lifeskyblue
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I too agree with it BUT I'm sure the ccc defence of their hypocrisy would be they opposed sisu taking a major sporting club out of the city (loss of jobs, loss of revenue, loss of prestige for the city etc) but that bringing in a major sporting club would benefit the city enormously.
The fact that the council mismanaged the situation appallingly does not detract from the position that they believe they acted in the best interest of the city of Coventry.
As always it is the poor genuine fans (in this case wasps) who are caught in the wider shenanigans.
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The fact that the council mismanaged the situation appallingly does not detract from the position that they believe they acted in the best interest of the city of Coventry.
As always it is the poor genuine fans (in this case wasps) who are caught in the wider shenanigans.
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jimmyhillsfanclub
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Here ya go Ann you 2 faced hypocrite.....read these thoughts........
Oh...I forgot to add......"sideways"
James Smith
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Where Les fell down for me * was when he obtained a rare interview with Joy and didn't seem to ask the questions people wanted answers to. It's possible that he was given ground rules before the interview about what was and what was not going to be answered and he therefore decided not to ask them. However if that was the case you'd have thought he might have mentioned it.
*Les if you were told some things were out of bounds, please feel free to clarify that.
Kingokings204
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A bit like the comedy genius when you said that sisu deliberately lost the JR as we all keep quoting. Guess what no they didn't?
Look, I post on everything ccfc whether it be games or off the field stuff. We have spoken about Chris stokes before so it's not always this stuff. I'm a Cov fan and always will be. I have never been to a wasps game and I never went to sixfields either.
I still post now even when the other "council lovers" now don't post. I'm giving my opinion based on what I genuinely believe. I think we need to move forward and get out of the situation we are in rather than crying over split milk. That's the bit that's doesn't interest me. What interests me in making sure it doesn't happen again and we can progress.
SkyBlueZack
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The purpose is to find out if SISU have their complaint upheld regarding councillors behaviour. SISU think it was unprofessional amongst other things. The possible outcome is the councillors are found not guilty of any wrongdoing. The panel is made up of councillors therefore not going to sh*t on their own doorstep. The relevance is to the JR, in the sense the council were acting out of spite and unprofessionally therefore did not make a logical reasoned business decision. As for impact on ACL, I suspect it has none but others may clear that up for you.
SkyBlueZack
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Personally I think the only way to move forward is for this mess to all come out in public. Every last detail. Whilst people hide behind commercial confidentiality etc people will continue to second guess. Therefore ending up in the cycle we are at the moment. So I'm afraid until it's all out in the open you will either have to ignore these threads or add to the discussion.
italiahorse
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Anything that comes out of this will be fed into the JR(s) as evidence for Sisu that CCC were treating them badly.
The impact on the stadium ownership will be nil but financially CCC could be penalised at the taxpayers expense and at 'CCFC/SISU' gain (Compensation).
chiefdave
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In my opinion this is all leading up to a massive compo claim from SISU against the council and possible other involved parties. Not sure exactly what avenue they will push in terms of legality but I think they're working to show that CCC wouldn't sell ACL to them under any circumstances and that has damaged the club.
Of course how much they may claim or get is anyones guess. A lot of compo cases seem to pluck figures out of thin air. You could easily see them saying they have lost £xm they've put in and / or the cost of a ground. Equally even if everything goes thier way the council might just get a slap on the wrist and it will all have been a giant waste of time.
Nick
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Nicely spun there to make it look like it would be sisu and the club taking money from the tax payer, rather than the council messing up and losing it.
italiahorse
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Nick
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compensation means the council would have been deemed to be in the wrong, if compensation is awarded it would be to cover loses that are judged to have occured.
If for a long shot they did win, you can guarantee that is how it would be spun. You already have people on here saying how much each man, woman and child in the city would have to give sisu.
People would be worked up about sisu taking the tax payers money from his wallet, rather than the council losing it. If that is the case then maybe we can abuse people who have claimed compensation for their alloys being smashed in potholes from the council as well, after all they are just using it to gain from the tax payer.
What about the £1 million compensation paid out by the council because of workplace accidents?
The CCC are already out by around £10m on their Initial cash Investment and potentially a further £14-4m had they struck a deal with SISU
On a personal (councillors) and citywide level I think that would have been unpalatable to swallow
I think Italia Is right when he says this Is timed to feed into the final round of the JR
which should have been heard in October but is now set for February
God I hope this doesn't seep into of the club as we push on and hopefully maintain our push up the league.